Dr Greer on Expolitics Radio

From show broadcast Saturday night, 4/23/2007.

www.exopoliticsradio.com...

Here is an abstract from the website regarding the broadcast:

EXOPOLITICS: A True ET Landing or An Anti-ET False Flag Operation?
Dr. Steven Greer, MD - Director, The Disclosure Project - (1) G7 and other Nations now preparing for a true ET Landing (2) US Military-Intelligence Preparations for an Anti-ET False Flag Operation. Alfred Webre and A Rebroadcast of The May 9, 2001 Disclosure Project Testimony of Dr. Carol Rosin, President, Institute for Cooperation in Space (ICIS), Vilcabamba, Ecuador (Disclosure Project Press Conference, National Press Club, Washington, DC) setting out Dr. Wernher von Braun whistleblower warnings about a coming False Flag "War on Terror" and False Flag "War Against the Hostile ETs." Dr. Michael Salla: The Washington Post and American University on Eisenhower's 1954 meeting with ET Ambassadors - An Aftermath. Part (2) of 60 minute interview."

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I just listened to it earlier this morning. I like how he pointed out the recent news of the former Phoenix Governor coming forward as well as the French making thier files available as a possible sign of upcoming disclosure, these events are encouraging I think.

Regarding the G7 event, I'll believe it when I see it. It's one thing to be able to engage UFO sightings if in fact he is able to do that, but to have the aliens get out of the craft to talk with the Prime Mister of India or some other country, sounds pretty unbelievable, but if he can pull it off, he should win the nobel prize!

Greer debunking the whole UFO abduction/greys/reptilian world is interesting. He has repeatedly spoken out about how the Military Industrial Complex are behind abductions and this aggressive alien mythology is something that has been created to justify Star Wars WWIII.

I hope that is true, I"d hate to believe that aliens are evil and from the standpoint of thier technology, it would make sense that they are not aggressive because if they were with thier technology we would have been gone a long time ago.

I always look forward to listening to Greer inteviews and hope he continues to do more.

Hopefully his assertions will be proven true in the coming years, but as of now it is speculation (interesting speculation!) until proved otherwise regardless of witness testimony. Just my opinion!

Quite astonishing that Greer is accusing others of spreading disinformation regarding ufos! Sounds like he's trying to give people the impression that he alone is the carrier of the torch of truth!

Haven't heard him mention the moths and other insects yet that his organisation pass of as alien evidence...

here's a link to his 100% true non-disinformation gas attack story and its repercussions

www.skeptictank.org...

yeah, I've read about that incident. That's not exactly the type of responsible act that a healthy skeptic would post in order to be taken seriously, he seems to jump to conclusions based on people's testimonies rather than waiting for more evidence.

But I don't think he posted that for a bad reason, to either disinform or make a profit.

I think at that time, he probably thought it was true and jumped the gun until he had more evidence, which I think is something that can be easy to do if you are genuinly excited about a given topic, although it does hurt your credibility a lot. With the UFO subject, I think it can be easy to get caught up and start believing everything, which you'd hope the carrier of the torch for disclosure would be immune to!

If there is a secret group that is keeping this all on wraps and has all this crazy technology, many things that seemed far fetched suddenly seem possible and it's probably a lot easier to jump the gun when you constantly hear about all this crazy stuff, particulary from credibal witnesses.

What that incident and the photo incident earlier today says to me, is that his conclusions, although they should be considered because of all the great testimony he's gotten and contacts he's developed, should in no way be taken as fact until more concrete evidence backs it up since he has a history of over hyping things that don't stand up alone.

Regarding his claims of levitation etc...., I have no idea and can only speculate. I do believe there is a lot that can be done with meditation/astral projection, so it's possible he was 'astral projecting' and not literally levitating, but I haven't read his book so I don't know what he claims exactly..

I still enjoy considering his theories and personally think he still has the potential to be the one who cracks this thing open to the public. I think he should get his own radio show on Serious so he can go into more detail and provide more evidence and skeptics can be allowed to call in and question him, that would be worth $10 a month!

The thing is there is so much dishonesty associated to Greer...

check this out, for example:

www.ufowatchdog.com...

Now people may say these incidents happened years ago but the posting of the disinformative photographs occured only last week - so nothing has changed!

Why should anyone believe the incredible claims that he can levitate and vector ufos when the prosaic examples above imply dishonesty.

Originally posted by torsion
The thing is there is so much dishonesty associated to Greer...

check this out, for example:

www.ufowatchdog.com...

Now people may say these incidents happened years ago but the posting of the disinformative photographs occured only last week - so nothing has changed!

Why should anyone believe the incredible claims that he can levitate and vector ufos when the prosaic examples above imply dishonesty.

Dr Greer has the fed ex in Woolsey's hand that explains what the purpose of the meeting was.

If he were legally bound to cease and desist, he would have quit talking about it a long time ago.

Having this conversation, I'm getting big time deja vu....you know this has been discussed to death in many other forums.

[edit on 23-4-2007 by c3hamby]

What that letter means to me personally is 'wow, I can't believe the CIA director even acknowledges they met" I don't think some random UFO wacko would get a personal letter like that from a former CIA head unless he met with the guy ( if that letter is real).

Greer name drops him so much that if he wasn't allowed to tell the story, particulary someone that is likely very knowledgable of the law, I would think he would be in trouble, but as of this last interview he name drops him several times. I think his name dropping gets old, but that's because I listen to most of his interviews, whereas you have to assume that at each of these interviews there are many who have never heard his schtick so he needs to throw out these names to get attention and some credibility from the beginning, like a sales pitch.

If that letter is real, it proves they met and the CIA director for whatever reason, wanted to distance himself from taking this matter too seriously. Perhaps he was still the CIA director at the time and couldn't risk the lack of credibilitly that UFO's inherently bring upon someone, perhaps he didn't want his politeness to be interpreted as him being a believer.

Regardless, I'd like to see if anyone else can get a dinner engagement with a CIA director and the CIA director isn't the one who was disclosing anything, so that doesn't take away from other's testimonies. I'm sure many important matters in history have been discussed over informal dinner parties or drinks.

But, you are right that if an informal meeting is portrayed as this huge ground breaking event when in fact it wasn't, that is bad for credibility. But I think Greer just has a bad habit of exagerating which I don't think means he is an intentional liar, just over zealous and he so wants to convince people and believe other people who tell thier stories. Just from listening to him speak, he is a pretty nerdy guy, so his social skills aren't exactly great, which is probably one reason why he needs a PR person to filter him from hurting his credibility fuirther He's a doctor, not a politician or professional PR person, so I'm sure he will continue to make mistakes and say things on the record that he shouldn't since he can't back them up, or jump the gun on things that have holes in them.

I think time will tell, at least I hope so.

I can understand why they keep throwing the Woolsey letter up as proof that Greer overstates things, and I can understand that the name dropping and what not might lead to suspicion that the Woolsey letter is correct.

In the Hidden book, published in 2006, Greer made reference to this being a 3 hour long meeting, and they went over all the stuff.

When Torsion made me aware of this I also questioned the authority and validity of the document.

I contact Debbie Foch who is the assistant to Dr Greer in some sort of capacity...she is the one that always emails you back if you email the DP.

She told me that soon after Dr Greer started talking about the Woolsey meeting, Woolsey sent out this letter that you see, apparently trying to get out of his responsibility to act.

Unbeknownst to Greer, they have the signed fed ex from Woolsey stating the meeting was more than conversation brought up at a dinner party.

I think it is interesting that website doesn't have that addt'l info, or the fact that Greer keeps talking about it.

I also think it's cool that Dr Greer avoids getting into the spats about this stuff that could easily occur within the UFO community.

Of most interest to me was the fact that Greer stated with 100% confidence that now MORE than one major country is stepping up to plan a major direct contact event with Greer and CSETI.

So hopefully the war over Greer's credibility can finally be put to rest soon.....

Originally posted by c3hamby
I can understand why they keep throwing the Woolsey letter up as proof that Greer overstates things...

But it isn't just the letter - that's one more example of many things - gas attacks on aliens, levitating, vectoring, passing moths off as extraterrestrials etc.

Unbeknownst to Greer, they have the signed fed ex from Woolsey stating the meeting was more than conversation brought up at a dinner party.

I don't understand what you mean by this. Are you saying that Woolsey fed exed a letter to state that he had a 3 hour conversation with Greer about extraterrestrials but he will deny it took place if it is made public?

re: Woosely.

I used to be on VM's email group a while ago and Woosley was on there. I left to due to the madman rantings of Victor and his cronies after the Serpo incident. So Woosley certainly has an interest in this subject to this day.

As for Greer, I don't think I'll join in this conversation.

Oh, man... where does Greer get off when he mentions the UFO subculture getting caught up in UFO dis-info???

He hosts pictures of moths on his website and calls them energy anchor beings???

He says that we have to be on guard against the dis-info spin... right...

What the hell are his moth pictures if they are not dis-info?????

Originally posted by torsion


I don't understand what you mean by this. Are you saying that Woolsey fed exed a letter to state that he had a 3 hour conversation with Greer about extraterrestrials but he will deny it took place if it is made public?

No, I am sorry. I did say that, but I got it wrong. Re reading the email Debbie sent me reminded me that it was a friend of Woolsey who set up the meeting that sent the fed ex to Greer.

My apologies.

The way that Debbie told it to me is that when they were arranging the meeting, the friend of Woolsey sent Greer a fed ex stating the true purpose of the meeting that would be held under the cover of a dinner party. It was only when Greer started talking about the meeting in public did Woolsey write the letter you have presented to us.

This is also stated in print in 'Hidden' along with the documentation of the fed ex referred to, without direct reference to Woolsey's letter that you have made us aware of.

Here is the email response she sent me, that I have posted many times on this site:

Woolsey was in denial about the meeting after Dr. Greer's ET Contact book came out. However, he didn't know that Dr. Greer saved the paper trail and Fed Ex's from the person who arranged the meeting, which explains the purpose of the meeting.

The thing is, the letter you have presented is basically an informal cease and desist letter, which would amount to libel if Dr Greer were to continue to repeat this story. In actuality, Dr Greer has the paper trail to prove the purpose of the meeting, and after 8 years, Dr Greer has continued to tell this story without alteration or censure.

tezzajw

I didn't see any pictures from Dr Greer's sightings in listening to the Exopolitics Radio interview, but there is a topic dedicated to the discussion of those pictures here and you are welcome to post your discussion there:

www.abovetopsecret.com...'

Originally posted by c3hamby
tezzajw
I didn't see any pictures from Dr Greer's sightings in listening to the Exopolitics Radio interview, but there is a topic dedicated to the discussion of those pictures here and you are welcome to post your discussion there:

Thanks so much for your thoughtful advice, c3hamby, however it is not required. The topic of my post was clearly about the interview and Greer's views about dis-info.

I noted that he was concerned about dis-info in the UFO subculture. I referred to the pictures of moths as an example of Greer presenting his own dis-info. The pictures were an example used to show that Greer does not believe in his own words that he spoke during that interview, as he perpetuates his own dis-info spin. The pictures were not the topic of my post. I am aware that there is a thread discussing Greer's pictures, I have posted in it. Thanks, again, although your attempt to keep me on topic was not required - I am on topic about Greer's words that he spoke during that interview.

Getting back on track, one of the things I heard Dr Greer say in relation to the world disclosure event and the fact that several countries are going to participate, he made a comment at the beginning that said he wanted to clarify that he had a very strong commitment from those countries.

Did anyone sense that he was backing off a little bit from his previously strong statements of intention to go forward compared to his expo presentation?

Is 'disinfo' mean that someone 'intentionally' tries to decieve people?

Or is 'disinfo' mean providing false content regardless of intention?

Because if 'disinfo' does not mean something is intentional, then I think Greer and perhaps my whole family are guilty of disinformation at some point, although Greer is a public figure trying to gain credibility in an inherently fringe field, so providing false content regardless of intention is very frustrating to people like us who want the truth to come out, and even more so to people who want to believe Greer is on the right track.

If this is the case and he isn't doing it intentionally (which in my opinion he isn't) then I think it is worth following his work while being sketical and waiting for his predications to either pan out or not pan out. But I do not think he has a secret agenda.

If you really think he provides false information on purpose, then IMO I think it's pointless to continue to follow his work, unless you want to continually convince the world he is a fraud by continuing to add to your running list of arguments against him, but I think there are so many other frauds out there much more deserving of your time who have much more power and would deserve your time and efforts. Perhaps the current administration?

To leave a high paying job and pursue a life studying UFO's while supporting a family is a pretty nutty thing to do by society's standards, so I think he is just a tad overzealous about jumping to conclusions on this topic, but that doesn't make him a bad person, it's that type of intensity/enthusiasm that is required to line up 400 witnesses, but also that type of personality that gets excited when he sees a picture of a moth and immediately deducts it's a spaceship without sitting down and carefully looking over it with a photo expert before posting it online.

I'd like to hear more about peoples thoughts regarding his interview assuming however naive, that he has good intentions.

Originally posted by c3hamby
Getting back on track, one of the things I heard Dr Greer say in relation to the world disclosure event and the fact that several countries are going to participate, he made a comment at the beginning that said he wanted to clarify that he had a very strong commitment from those countries.

Did anyone sense that he was backing off a little bit from his previously strong statements of intention to go forward compared to his expo presentation?

I got the sense that the contact sounded more immenent than before and he was reinforcing it was gonna happen by saying "strong commitments".

So I think it has further developed from when he last referred to hit and more governments/people are involved than before.

It would be interesting to speculate on 'how' he would go about this, as crazy as it sounds.

My guess is via meditation like with Seti. But how he would get the Aliens to take further steps and actually come out and speak with government leaders? Sounds pretty far-fetched, but if he can do it, that would be amazing to say the least.

That's a good point.

I don't think that Dr Greer has any evil intentions, I agree that disinformation is too strong a word to describe what Dr Greer is doing.

I believe that a lot of people, including myself would love to see disclosure happen yesterday, but I have come to realize that disclosure is a process, something that we are seeing unfolding everyday.

If you look at the unfolding on a day by day process, it seems kind of shaky and uncertain, but over time, we keep getting stuff, like the Arizona governor and the Canadian guy coming out, I think it's exciting that Dr Greer states that more people are going to come out with this, and I don't doubt it.

I get annoyed by these people that are pre judging it before it's over, but I think when the thin challenged woman finally sings and disclosure finally happens then none of this will matter anyway.

Originally posted by rocketsauce


I got the sense that the contact sounded more immenent than before and he was reinforcing it was gonna happen by saying "strong commitments".

So I think it has further developed from when he last referred to hit and more governments/people are involved than before.

It would be interesting to speculate on 'how' he would go about this, as crazy as it sounds.

My guess is via meditation like with Seti. But how he would get the Aliens to take further steps and actually come out and speak with government leaders? Sounds pretty far-fetched, but if he can do it, that would be amazing to say the least.

Well, I sure hope it happens and it is successful, I pray continously that the event will be a success and that it won't get hijacked.

That's what I'm thinking too, thru SETI protocols. I think the ETs would go for it because it's a multinational approach. It can't be with one nation, we need to go at it as a unified Earth.

Originally posted by c3hamby
That's what I'm thinking too, thru SETI protocols. I think the ETs would go for it because it's a multinational approach. It can't be with one nation, we need to go at it as a unified Earth.

Do you mean SETI or CSETI? They are two TOTALLY different organisations.

One is a cult lead by a person who posts pictures of moths on his website. The cultists willingly pay money to experience moths and other assorted insects at vectoring events.

The other is a cult that disregards alien/UFO presence on Earth. Qualified radio astronomers program computers to sift through trillions of signals, all in the hope of finding one that could indicate intelligent, extraterrestrial origin. This nonsensical type of search ignores the real, current UFO data, in the vain hope of detecting ONE positive candidate signal.

Now, which SETI was it, c3hamby?