Russia has launched its new generation Strategic Submarine

Originally posted by kojac
With Russias' GDP estimated to be over 1.7 trillion in 2006 and Mexico's to be 1.1 trillion i don't know how you've come to this conclusion.

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lol thanks

i somehow get the idea that some people here read waay too many Tom Clancy books. wonder why

Originally posted by orangetom1999
You are sure about this Egotosum?? Absolutely sure??
I suggest you think this through carefully.
I also suggest you think carefully about the methods of operation while underway..not what is published in the stats..for public consumption.

In the few instances in which his nuclear submarine was asked to simulate a Soviet sub during multinational exercises, Karam said that the ship “simply operated as normal (i.e. without rigging for ultra quiet).” Also note well that diesel submarines often use NAUs in exercises as well – to make it easier for US ships, aircraft, and submarines to find them (more on that momentarily). Furthermore, most of the diesel versus nuclear submarine scenarios described occurred in the last five years, by which time Russian submarines had made great strides in quieting. As Cote articulated, by the mid 1980s, the Soviets had “a nuclear submarine that could elude SOSUS and frustrate efforts by tactical ASW platforms using passive sonar to establish and maintain contact with it.” The submarine in question, the Victor III, was an unpleasant surprise to the US Navy when it was first encountered. The boat was described by former CNO Admiral James Watkins “as quieter than we thought --- We learned that they were hard to detect.” Subsequent Russian designs were even better. Polmar said in 1997 that when the Improved Akula-class submarine first appeared in 1990, “Admiral J.M. Boorda, the Chief of Naval Operations, told the House: ‘This is the first time since we put the NAUTILUS to sea that (The Russians) have had submarines at sea quieter than ours. As you know, quieting is everything in submarine warfare.’”

Was this perhaps just a case of “threat inflation,” dreamed up by the admirals to extract more money from the taxpayer? I am not inclined to think so, for in 2003, DiMercurio, who usually tends to favor US submarine designs over the Soviets, admitted that the Russian Akula class submarine is “very capable,” and earlier in his career, he was candid enough to say that, at least in some ways, “The Russians were amazing and talented designers, and their submarines were the best in the world.” Polmar went on to say that the Navy’s claims that its new Seawolf-class submarine “is the quietest submarine in the world” were based on highly questionable or sparse intelligence. The Seawolf-class was cancelled after only three boats were delivered, but perhaps that is just as well as there were reports that these boats were not properly tested. In 2002, Diehl recalled that “The Navy has refused to perform shock tests on all the components of its newest type attack sub, the three-billion-dollar Seawolf. These supposedly required tests were designed to insure that all components would survive the stresses of most underwater explosions. The Navy apparently had diverted some of its testing funds to other uses. Such decisions continue to place those who volunteer to go in harm’s way at exceptional risk.”

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Once again..think about this in the context of what I posted above your quote here.

Thanks,
Orangetom