ELF Technology Used to Manipulate Citizens

I sort of put Flanagan in the same box with Rauscher-Bise. At one time bright and promising, then into crystal power/Atlantis/fairies and down they go.

I was very intrigued by the neurophone, and built a few, but Flanagan's later ones required "crystal disks" which were actually little piezophonic speakers. You were in fact hearing their output, but through the power of acoustics and not neurophony, although they didn't bring that up much in the ads.

I know there are people that study ELF data to find out things about the ionosphere, meteor falls, lightning strikes and the like. If I recall, the military is more interested in listening on ELF, VLF and LF in order to spot whistlers. Apparently you can use whistler detection to determine the presence of sporadic E or spread-F formations. Or VLF ducts, for that matter. All or any of which could tell you that you have a temporary means for having some either more secure or more distant communications than you might otherwise have.

That sort of study is not in my field of expertise. If you wanted me to build you parts of the exciter they use, I am dandy on digital signal synthesis for HF phased arrays. It's a lot of fun to do.

[edit on 23-4-2007 by Tom Bedlam]

Yeah, I have one of those neurophones but was slightly underimpressed with it. If you know how to build one of the original types, that would be great. What a wonderful piece of technology if it actually worked as advertised! U2U me with details.
Yes, Flannigan got into some strange "off-beat" subjects. I read his pyramid book, built a pyramid and tried some of the experiments mentioned in his book. New age stuff is interesting to me in the same way car wrecks on the highway are interesting: I don't want to investigate what i know will be a mess but I just can't keep from looking anyway.

Originally posted by whitewave
Yeah, I have one of those neurophones but was slightly underimpressed with it. If you know how to build one of the original types, that would be great. What a wonderful piece of technology if it actually worked as advertised! U2U me with details.
Yes, Flannigan got into some strange "off-beat" subjects. I read his pyramid book, built a pyramid and tried some of the experiments mentioned in his book. New age stuff is interesting to me in the same way car wrecks on the highway are interesting: I don't want to investigate what i know will be a mess but I just can't keep from looking anyway.

Soon as I get a break I'll try to dig it back up.

I think the first time I heard anything about it at all was in Omni Magazine, it had enough of a description that we tried it.

I just posted some stuff on ELF on ATS here:

ATS

though its bizarre as its about bees, posted it and saw this below in recent... spokkey!
ive put the TETRA mind control system uk on there and the sources to the first mind control experiments.... late in the UK

Will hit this thread tomorrow and educate many hopefully.

Things to know about this technology

Its real, its been in use for over 25 years, independantly repeatable experiments done. They truly can make you think what you want, it started off with feelings however like happy sad depressed using ELF now with ELF modulated microwaves the technology is patented and has again beeen laboratory proven ability to put actual words in peoples brains.... or more accuratley make you hear voices. Yep they have control on what it says to...

Think on that... to late in UK 2.30 am to source now but will tommorrow

look up google whatever your fancy the following for starts:

Pandora
Woodpecker
GrillFlame
Tetra
US Embassy attaked with ELF

regards

Donning tin foil hat to have control of my dreams!

Elf

ps brilliant researcher and author on the Subject especially UK mi5 tetra and microwave weapons is Tim Rifat


[edit on 23-4-2007 by MischeviousElf]

Originally posted by Tom Bedlam
Each to his own - but there are other more prosaic explanations for feelings that you are being controlled by external forces.

I never said a thing about being 'controlled'. What I described is manipulation of emotion, achieved by overriding brain waves. Now why would you want to redefine my statement?

is a wonderful thing. It's also becoming very obvious in this thread.

What is 'differential skepticism', you ask? Let me grab "Brother Stormhammer's Big Book of Definitions By Example".

Example of differential skepticism (All names have been replaced by random initials to protect the innocent, the stupid, and the hard-headed!) :

Person A has various advanced degrees in fields relating to Subject X. Person A may also have several years of practical experience working in fields relating to Subject X. During a discussion of Phenomenon Y (which is related to, or caused by Subject X), Person A puts forth a conventional explanation of "Y", based on his academic and / or practical experience with Subject X.

Person B has no practical or academic experience with Subject X at all. ("I'm not an Engineer, but I play one on television....and I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night!!!"). He (or she) has, however, heard from reliable psychics, crystal readers, and the Weekly World News that the REAL explanation for "Y" involves one or more of the following:
A Government Cover-up
Aliens
Freemasons
The Trilateral Commission
The Religious Right
Nikola Tesla's Ghost, channelled through the Cloned Brain of Elvis.

Which explanation is most likely to be accepted? If you say "Person A", you're probably an engineer. If you say "Person B", you probably need to step away from your net browser. That's differential skepticism at work...any conventional explanation, no matter how well-supported, will be scrutinized, questioned, and generally beaten to death with spurious logic...but any wild-haired tabloid-caliber 'scientific' explanation will be accepted by at least one person as the utter and absolute truth.

Sometimes, folks, the 'official explanation' is the correct one, particularly where technology is concerned. Try to be equally skeptical to *all sides* of a discussion like this one...after all, this board promotes the denial of ignorance. That isn't the same as the promotion of a whole new form of ignorance.

Hey MischeviousElf, thanks for the info addresses wil have to have a lokk for sure.
Seems ELF's the real deal mind-control frequency range, whether higher freqs are involved I have no idea but it's possible. The deeper one looks independently into it the more scary ELF and it's control uses become. Look forward to reading whatever you can add

Dallas

here is a new link i think you guys might be interested in on this discussion

educate-yourself.org...

Jarheadjock..,

I think you and some of the posters have it backwards.

As TomBedlam posted earlier on this thread...low frequency antennas require long lengths to run effeciently.

Very high frequency antenna require short runs to run effeciently.
When I see a very short antenna on back of a car or truck I know it is high frequency...some 400 MHZ and above. REally short antennas means it is some 800MHZ and higher.

Those photos of the towers with the triangular halos on the top with antennas around them in the vertical polarity..means that this is a high frequency antenna..some 800 MHZ or above. There also might be some piggybacked antennas on this tower for other frequency bands than cell phones.

I have a very unusual antenna not far from me right next to a elementary school. I will post a photograph on this thread and see if it rings some bells with those familiar with this craft.

It is very different from the high frequency antennas used in cell phones as it is just a straight vertical shaft. It appears to be fiberglass with the antenna mounted inside it. By its very tall height it appears to be a long wave antenna..or some kind of long wave coil mounted in it vertically.
About a foot across at the base and tapering slightly as it reachs the top..about 75 to 100 feet tall. Very unusual looking as it is definitely not a cellular phone tower configuration.

I am also aware that there are methods to make the whole tower into an antenna. It is somewhat complex but it has been done in the long wave bands.

I am off this weekend and if I get a chance I will post a picture of this very unusual antenna...

Thanks,
Orangetom

I drove across the neighborhood today to a site right next to an elementary school to photograph this unusual antenna. I noted it since being a Ham radio operator my eyes are naturally drawn to any type of antenna once identified. It is very hard to miss this one since it is so different even from the cell phone towers which have so dotted the landscape in recent years ...and growing exponentially.

It has been awhile since I have posted any photos so I may be a bit rusty..here goes...

Some of you tell me what you think or do you have any like this in your area??

If you look carefully, you will notice that this antenna location has the usual small brick building with an airconditioner unit on the side to keep the electronics cool. THe size of the building tells me that it is a automated set up.

THe length of the antenna..its tallness tells me that it is a longwave antenna...or it has multiple tuned circuits up its length. Thus meaning it is a multi band or multi purpose.

AT first glance one might think this to be a smokestack. You would not put a smokestack next to an elementary school. There are very strict EPA requirements for this kind of thing to be a smokestack. Also the building is to small for this kind of smokestack arrangement. And again the gravel road leading up to this building does not support heavy weights as would be the case leading to a smokestack.

I am thinking I need to go around the backside and get additional photos and also to see if it has a back up generator system indicating its importance.

Anyways...heres the photo. Tell me what some of you think. It is an unusual antenna when compared to the cell tower/pager type so common in most areas.

Good Work with the Photo's. May turn out to be nothing, but investigations always turn up useful info. Keep it up.

Interesting, maybe its something the Government used from awhile back but then decommisioned it or something. I merely notice the triangular ones.

And in the picture, what is in front of the tower?

I'll also look more intricately into this craft to get a better head on this issue OrangeTom1999

Jarheadjock,

What is in front of the tower and also inside the fence is a automated type building. This antenna appears to ge its commands remotely. The building seems to have a type of wall mount air conditioner for temperature control seen on the end of the building. Sort of like the refrigeration unit on the front of trailers towed by semi trucks.

I have not been back since taking this picture to look at it but what I am curious about is does it have its own back up generator for powering this unit. This would be an indication of its importance in the pecking order of things.

Thanks,
Orangetom

interesting in many ways....


resistor wrote about a 'ringing in the ears' effect. enter the microwave auditory effect:

en.wikipedia.org...

please note that i'm using wiki on purpose. then there's the argument about wavelengths and how large antennae are required. i urge everyone to consider the follwoing, simple combination of facts:

your run of the mill mocrowave oven operates at ~2.45GHz, the wavelength being approximately 4.5".... now, how large is a water molecule? does it always take an antenna with dimensions in the same ballpark as wavelength? you decide.

furthermore, genuine ELF is unneeded. just modulate a more useable frequency. (dunno if this was said before)

Originally posted by Long Lance

please note that i'm using wiki on purpose. then there's the argument about wavelengths and how large antennae are required. i urge everyone to consider the follwoing, simple combination of facts:

your run of the mill mocrowave oven operates at ~2.45GHz, the wavelength being approximately 4.5".... now, how large is a water molecule? does it always take an antenna with dimensions in the same ballpark as wavelength? you decide.

But what you need to decide on is the method of heat production. Which in this case is dielectric heating. The water molecule has a dipole moment, meaning the charge is not evenly distributed. It's like a bar magnet, only with electric charge instead of a magnetic field.

The E-field of the microwave energy rotates the water molecules by pulling on their dipole moment - the electric field of the water molecule extends beyond the molecule itself. In the case of water, it strongly couples to the E-field of the microwave at that frequency. Many polar molecules have peaks in the microwave region - it can be used to identify them. See also microwave spectroscopy.

However, that doesn't mean that they strongly couple to ALL radio waves. The gradient of a microwave E-field is comparatively high due to the short wavelength. This couples much more strongly with molecular dipoles than the miniscule gradient presented by a low frequency wave.

In addition, you can't spin the molecules at any speed you'd like - the rotation is constrained by quantum behavior, they can only assume certain increments of speed. So the frequency of the e-field they're in has to couple to the molecule in such a way as to produce pre-determined increments of angular momentum and rotational energy. If the e-field isn't spinning around the polar molecule at the right rates, it won't couple into the molecules at all because there's not a "slot" that fits.

Your argument is seriously flawed.

furthermore, genuine ELF is unneeded. just modulate a more useable frequency. (dunno if this was said before)

No, but it's wrong too. Modulation is not transmission. A lot of people don't understand this and echo the same incorrect statement you just made.

If I modulate a 10MHz signal with a 30Hz signal, I don't get magically radiated 30 Hz. I get 10MHz, 9.99997MHz, and 10.00003Hz components.

[edit on 28-6-2007 by Tom Bedlam]

wrt wavelengths, i never said it would work with any frequency, a single usable frequency band would be enough to use it for stimulation - whatever the net results may be. it doesn't need to affect water, it needs to affect the nervous system (or living tissue in general?), which, i imagine is not very conducive to lab testing. the idea that changing emotional states directly may be flawed, but it's clear that uncomfortable influences will negatively affect someone's mood, just like sleep deprivation. i freely admit that José Delgado's direct electrical stimulation experiments are the real reason for my scepticism. combine that with sensory substitution, as evidenced by the Flanagan neurophone and Brainport (thread on ATS: www.abovetopsecret.com...) and i think there's plenty of reason to take reports of such a technology seriously.


regarding modulation, it seems as if using carrier & modulation worked quite well for voice transmission, whether you're willing to look at envelopes or not. what i can only speculate is how effective such a technique would be under which circumstances. it's still plain as day to me that the auditory effect can be used to convey more than 'ringing ears', where the limits are i have no idea but then all of this is merely intended to establish plausibility.

Originally posted by Long Lance
wrt wavelengths, i never said it would work with any frequency, a single usable frequency band would be enough to use it for stimulation - whatever the net results may be. it doesn't need to affect water, it needs to affect the nervous system (or living tissue in general?), which, i imagine is not very conducive to lab testing.

You brought up this dielectric heating example and tried to pawn it off as a general condition, when it's very specific to the microwave band, which given that the discussion is about ELF, isn't applicable.

Hey, you forgot some other things too, like tangent loss heating. That's how they heat wood in kilns with 27MHz, also how electrolytic caps in switching power supplies get hot and fail. That doesn't apply here either, but it would sound good.

That out of the way, we're back to my original point, ELF won't interact as a radio wave with a human, or much of anything else either.

the idea that changing emotional states directly may be flawed, but it's clear that uncomfortable influences will negatively affect someone's mood, just like sleep deprivation. i freely admit that José Delgado's direct electrical stimulation experiments are the real reason for my scepticism.

Delgado had wires in the bull's limbic system. That's not really all that applicable.

combine that with sensory substitution, as evidenced by the Flanagan neurophone

See many neurophones used as hearing aids?

Flanagan's later models were faux. They used piezoelectric disks for the pads, which generated sound directly. You were hearing something alright, through your ears.

The very first couple of designs were interesting, but these days Flanagan sells "magic crystals" to make you young or something, sad to see.

and Brainport (thread on ATS: www.abovetopsecret.com...) and i think there's plenty of reason to take reports of such a technology seriously.

The brainport thing is old hat. I recall them doing it with a pinpricker you wore under your shirt. I still can't fathom how "mind control with ELF" relates to sensory stuff like this.

You do know you can't modulate ELF faster than a slow crawl, right? You'd get bored sending Morse on it, you can forget anything faster. No audio, no video.

regarding modulation, it seems as if using carrier & modulation worked quite well for voice transmission, whether you're willing to look at envelopes or not. what i can only speculate is how effective such a technique would be under which circumstances. it's still plain as day to me that the auditory effect can be used to convey more than 'ringing ears', where the limits are i have no idea but then all of this is merely intended to establish plausibility.

Modulating a carrier works fine for voice transmission - to a radio. You can't hear modulation of a radio signal. Radio isn't sound. I've seen this one pop up too. It's not the same in any way. For some reasons, the idea of modulating a radio signal with audio leads people to think the audio is still there - it's not, not as audio.

The other thing I see is the first one you said - if I can't transmit ELF, I can modulate it onto something else and it will exist as ELF once transmitted, nope doesn't work that way either. What you've got is a low frequency audio tone modulated onto a radio signal.

Tinnitus is as old as the human race, I'm afraid, it's a common problem. I've got it myself in one ear, and in my case I know how it happened. Some days it's worse than others. But it's there whether I'm in the SCIF (which is TEMPEST rated - nothing much gets in) or not. I have it even in closed Faraday chambers they use for certain types of emissions testing and susceptibility tests. It doesn't vary when the door's open or closed - and NOTHING is getting in there from the outside.

You can have it yourself by taking too much aspirin or Pepto Bismol, or go fire a Barrett a few times without hearing protection. There are a lot of ways to end up with tinnitus.

Originally posted by Tom Bedlam

You brought up this dielectric heating example and tried to pawn it off as a general condition, when it's very specific to the microwave band, which given that the discussion is about ELF, isn't applicable.

this is of course correct, although i'm afraid that the 'ELF scare' started because a) at a time, opposing the navy's then planned extreme longwave system was extremely popular for some reason and b) it just sounds good. i interpreted the thread more along the lines of 'possible mind control by radio waves' tbh.

That out of the way, we're back to my original point, ELF won't interact as a radio wave with a human, or much of anything else either.

it seems that way. extreme differences between wavelength and antenna indicate that coupling won't happen, but we have a counterexample on a smaller scale in the shape of microwaves vs. water.

If the e-field isn't spinning around the polar molecule at the right rates, it won't couple into the molecules at all because there's not a "slot" that fits.

how many 'slots' does a human boday have, that's the question. i freely admit that all of this is pure speculation, it's just something i'd look at if i seriously investigated EM interference in humans (not limited to ELF band).

Delgado had wires in the bull's limbic system. That's not really all that applicable.

it shows that 'mind control' by direct stimulation is possible. a radio signal wouldn't have the luxury of direct contacts and would therefore affect the whole body, which would greatly limit selectivity. as long as EM immissions cause miniscule current distributions and as long as currents are capable of influencing the neural systems, the existance of a mechanism is still possible, however.

The brainport thing is old hat. I recall them doing it with a pinpricker you wore under your shirt. I still can't fathom how "mind control with ELF" relates to sensory stuff like this.

You do know you can't modulate ELF faster than a slow crawl, right? You'd get bored sending Morse on it, you can forget anything faster. No audio, no video.

i started out with the auditory effect because it's obvious how it could be used to control people (provided a discernible voice sensation can be induced and as long as they actually listen to what the voice says and don't know of the microwave auditory effect). now, if 'brainport' actually generates a visual sensation in a person, it would clearly show that senses can be tricked in various ways and while remotely transmitting complex pictures are probably out of the question, inducing a feeling has got to be much simpler. i have no personal experience with brainport and if they were using misleading advertising, though. might as well only tickle your tongue, i dunno.

regarding low bandwith: what about ON = complacent and OFF = rebellious? or vice versa?

Modulating a carrier works fine for voice transmission - to a radio. You can't hear modulation of a radio signal. Radio isn't sound. I've seen this one pop up too. It's not the same in any way. For some reasons, the idea of modulating a radio signal with audio leads people to think the audio is still there - it's not, not as audio.

so how much does it take to demodulate, say an AM signal????

Tinnitus is as old as the human race, I'm afraid, it's a common problem. I've got it myself in one ear, and in my case I know how it happened. Some days it's worse than others. But it's there whether I'm in the SCIF (which is TEMPEST rated - nothing much gets in) or not. I have it even in closed Faraday chambers they use for certain types of emissions testing and susceptibility tests. It doesn't vary when the door's open or closed - and NOTHING is getting in there from the outside.

it's unfortunately true that far too many are probably just delusional or mislead. i only hope i'm not one of them.


PS: if 'mind control' or EM harassment are real i'm almost 100% positive these techniques require quite intense power settings.

You on the right track...with all the new towers going up...
You can call it Elf or Extraterrestrial...
wait till they start talking to you, that's when the real fun begins...

Originally posted by Long Lancei interpreted the thread more along the lines of 'possible mind control by radio waves' tbh.

Oh, sorry, wrong replies then.

The whole ELF thing has such a lot of oddball baggage attached it's amazing to me. Especially when the information capacity of the channel is so small.

it seems that way. extreme differences between wavelength and antenna indicate that coupling won't happen, but we have a counterexample on a smaller scale in the shape of microwaves vs. water.

Really, though, it's not an applicable counterexample. The peaks for the mechanical quantum stuff like rotating, rocking, scissoring et al are known, and they all are in the microwave range and up. You can't get that action elsewhere.

how many 'slots' does a human boday have, that's the question. i freely admit that all of this is pure speculation, it's just something i'd look at if i seriously investigated EM interference in humans (not limited to ELF band).

It's more molecular than structural. Given that most of this stuff has peaks all over the IR and microwave range due to the size of the molecular bonds, you're not likely to suddenly find one at 10 Hz.

You've got peaks and valleys in the absorption of radio energy in general, but what's happening when you absorb it is heating. You do have a "window" around 400 MHz, which is one reason they picked that frequency for the all-time classic "microwave-to-head" experiments.

it shows that 'mind control' by direct stimulation is possible. a radio signal wouldn't have the luxury of direct contacts and would therefore affect the whole body, which would greatly limit selectivity. as long as EM immissions cause miniscule current distributions and as long as currents are capable of influencing the neural systems, the existance of a mechanism is still possible, however.

The skin effect sort of limits the penetration. Most radio has hell's own path loss in your body due to you being a sack of electrolytes, which absorbs the e-field component as heat. That's why implants tend to be H-field. Also, miniscule is the word, most RF would be less than a milliwatt at skin level, and you still have to couple it to you efficiently, more loss. Below a certain level it doesn't have much effect on neurons, your system has so much noise it has to filter out small junk anyway.

i started out with the auditory effect because it's obvious how it could be used to control people (provided a discernible voice sensation can be induced and as long as they actually listen to what the voice says and don't know of the microwave auditory effect). now, if 'brainport' actually generates a visual sensation in a person, it would clearly show that senses can be tricked in various ways and while remotely transmitting complex pictures are probably out of the question, inducing a feeling has got to be much simpler. i have no personal experience with brainport and if they were using misleading advertising, though. might as well only tickle your tongue, i dunno.

A lot of it with remapping devices like brainport is that you have to TRY to perceive it that way, and train for it. Otherwise you'd be seeing phantoms from your clothes touching you. The effort is a part of it, apparently you don't tend to remap well if you don't want it. There were a lot of tests, for example, with inverting people's visual fields with prisms, if you didn't work at it, you would have a much longer duration before you could see normally again.

What I thought was interesting was that someone did a tactile device with a flux gate compass and rigged a group of people to know which way was north. Shortly after you got it, you quit paying it conscious attention, but when it was removed, the people were very disoriented and wanted it back.

regarding low bandwith: what about ON = complacent and OFF = rebellious? or vice versa?

Given that an ELF signal would be down to nanowatts when it got to you, and you don't really interact with it anyway, it seems moot. What is the mechanism of making you complacent or whatever? Do you think people become violent, sleepy, aggressive et al when lightning strikes nearby? That's a MUCH larger signal, and a shotgun of frequencies to boot.

I guess what's funny is the people that think you can send high-def color movies over ELF. To single targets.

so how much does it take to demodulate, say an AM signal????

It takes a non-linear function, typically a semiconductor junction - you have to multiply the sidebands and the carrier together to recover the original audio. You can use a multiplier but a diode junction "exposes" a multiplication in its I-V curve.

it's unfortunately true that far too many are probably just delusional or mislead. i only hope i'm not one of them.

PS: if 'mind control' or EM harassment are real i'm almost 100% positive these techniques require quite intense power settings.

There are a lot of ways to get tinnitus from medications you had ONCE, from inner ear infections, narrowings in your Eustachean tubes, middle ear infections, mastoid sinus infections, Meniere's, taking too much Pepto-Bismol, aspirin, you name it.

However, all the "voice to skull" research that I've read, mostly the original stuff, you have to have such a high power density that it's actually out of range for what you're allowed to test on military, they have to get waivers.