Medication Caused Virginia Tech Massacre Shootings

Ya your right, everybody who has pharmecuticals stuck down their throat has needed them.

Its very healthy for developing children to expose themselves to toxic industrial chemicals because they have a little bit to much energy.

or half the population who have depression. Ya fill thier body with toxins, that will do the trick

Thank god for pharmecuticals and the great job they are doing


................ Not.....

Originally posted by bluesquareapple
Medication is not the cause in these issues. You and your doctor are supposed to closely monitor side effects. If these problems were sufficiently handled in proper ways, these issues would be null and void. Instead of spreading information about the side-effects, maybe it would more fruitful to spread information on how side-effects are not properly monitored. I've been on several anti-depressants for almost five years now, changing for various reason, I've never had any of these extreme side-effects.

In my opinion, your post is a fight against these drugs altogether. They've helped so many more people than have had negative effects on. Plain old doctors shouldn't be prescribing phych medicine, that is a specialized field and should only be handled by those who have specialized in this area.

As for "medication causing the shooting", he wasn't on the proper medication. An anti-depressant is far from sufficient to treating the mental issues he was suffering from..

I'm sorry, but doctors are not super-man nor do they know the chemisty of your brain once you walk out of their office... many things can change brain chemistry so to say it wasn't the drugs is like saying having hands and fingers had nothing to do with a person pulling a trigger... It's obviously related.. you aren't going to pump a person full of '___' and say the '___' had nothing to do with them thinking they could fly.

couple of thoughts to ponder....

what kind of people take anti-depressents?
answer: people with mental issues.

this correlates to my next point...

what kind of people commit/attempt suicide, and go on murderous rampages?
answer: people with mental issues.

point is, the guy was mentally ill, so he was prescribed medicine. he took his medicine, and it did not solve his problems. he had the issues BEFORE he was put on medication.

Good point, but wait.............what is a mental issue.


A women, (who smokes) goes into the doctor because she is having very low mood swings(because she smokes),

the doctor dosnt inquire about her diet, her environment or other physical charachteristics, but instead perscribes her to take twisted, unatural, industrial chemical pharmecuticals.

So the women goes about her life watching hours of tv, smoking, and eating unhealthy, all causes of depression, and then on top of whats causing her depression shes taking trypticvioslophoserpous catertom

Ya, shes got a mental health issue, and the drugs are helping...right i forgot

Originally posted by bizone
couple of thoughts to ponder....

what kind of people take anti-depressants?
answer: people with mental issues.

this correlates to my next point...

what kind of people commit/attempt suicide, and go on murderous rampages?
answer: people with mental issues.

point is, the guy was mentally ill, so he was prescribed medicine. he took his medicine, and it did not solve his problems. he had the issues BEFORE he was put on medication.

Yes but apparently they are able to keep their psyche in check until the meds are administered into the brain, thats what seems to me to be the thing that finally pushes one over the edge. like i said don't take just my word for it do some reading up on it. I didn't just come up with this theory tonight, ive been following the violent, medication issue for quite some time.
Like i said and Ill say it again jeez.. Everyones brains react differently to the same medication and yes some are helped by it.
Like i already said, not everyone that gets drunk drives, not everyone that does get drunk and then drives has a wreck and everyone that drinks doesn't turn into an alcoholic.


[edit on 19-4-2007 by Kr0n0s]

There's a great deal of emotional lashing out in this thread.

Logically speaking, medications in question do heighten certain states of mind - including negative ones.

Obviously this was not the "cause" of the massacre - but possibly a small factor among many.

Originally posted by SteveR

Obviously this was not the "cause" of the massacre - but possibly a small factor among many.

Yes Im sure this wasn't 100% the cause for this horrible act of madness but I believe it had a hand in warping his psyche.

Originally posted by beckybecky

...snip...

congratulations on your brainwashing.

you passed.

go and take your pills...take as many as you want...

i dont want to stop you...

i never stop a ignorant victim.

...snip...

Sorry to ask this off topic question of the long term members of ATS here, but does ATS regularly act like a bug light in the night, attracting this sort of attitude ?

*revised edit*

[edit on 19/4/2007 by badw0lf]

[edit on 19/4/2007 by badw0lf]

there are people in the world that are sad and depressed because there are chemical imbalances in their brains....but then....there are sad and depressed people in the world because the circumstances around them are just crappy...these people have normal brains with normal chemistry, that are just acting normal. the problem with the use of antidepressants is that it seems the doctors don't ever try to determine which group the person is in. if it is a chemical imbalance, well, then ya, the antidepressants might help, but if it's just just the crappy circumstances the person is living in, well, they just took a normal brain and made it abnormal with their drugs....which, if my experience is any indication, will impair the persons ability to solve the problems that is causing their depression. I also found that they give me a tendency to just do whatever came into my mind....things I would normally have thought through and decided just wasn't wise. but what the heck, I also found that I didn't haven't the reasoning ability or the memory recall to be able to light a danged lighter either, so maybe that is the cause for me not being able to adequately understand the repercussions of actions. don't know, but I just decided that such drugs aren't for me and won't touch them with a ten foot pole.

I was waiting for the anti depressant link to come into play, ain't sure if there really is one yet, but wouldn't be surprised if there is. I think in over half the people who they are being perscribed to, it is diminishing the ability and motivation to change the things in their lives that are causing their problems. Without the ability, or motivation it seems to me they are just kind of stuck in the crappy situation, with no way out of it, don't ya think?

and as far as it being solely the responsibility of the person, well, I'm not sure about that....the doctors perscribed the meds willy nilly.....the meds interfer with NORMAL brain functions, and in some proceed to impair the ability of rational, reasonable thinking, and well.......this might be based on just my experience with the drugs, but if the drugs prevented someone from understanding the repercussions of taking a fantasy and bringing it home into the real world, isn't the drug at least partially responsible for the result? I mean till the drug was brought into the picture, the person was only responsible for having a imagination....which he knew better than to let out of his subconscious world.

Actually, i think the RXs are a component,
but not the reason for this particular heinous act...

Originally posted by beckybecky
I am writing to advise you folk the reason the shooting occured is due to the guy being on prescription drugs.

Many of these drugs induce feelings of paranoia ,and persecution and many drugs induce feelings of suicide.

the VT shooter, Cho, was a disturbed person with a scrambled mind
before he was ever prescribed medications/drugs...
which we still do not know he was taking or not taking,

the path that some want to take us down...is that Cho
should not have been permited to purchase any guns legally...
because he & others like him should not be able to possess firearms
because they are on perscription drugs
~which have all those side effects you have pointed out~

the gun control freaks, will undoubedly try to get legislation so that
anyone on RXs (antidepressents, psychotropics, etc) or having a past
experience of mental hospital/clinic interaction or placement, can no
longer have the privledge of gun-rifle ownership.

And Beckybecky, you are ignorant, because you didn't follow the Code and Conduct.

Anyway, just because someone was on a drug dosn't mean it CAUSED it.

Most cities' water is fluoridated and it's recently been discovered that the fluoridation process also adds arsenic to the water:
Fluoride conference reveals fraudulent science behind mass fluoridation; fluoride policy is a public fraud.

Fluoride used in municipal water supplies found contaminated with arsenic

Most all of the food we purchase at the supermarket contains very dangerous chemicals and the fresh vegetables contain pesticides:
Disease-promoting ingredients in everyday foods and groceries are far more dangerous than terrorists

What happens when you mix all of those chemicals together? That is only starting to be researched. It's already been proven that consuming doritos with diet pepsi causes neurological damage. The result of mixing MSG, aspartame and two food colorings - it's called "synergy" :Interview with Randall Fitzgerald, author of The Hundred-Year Lie, on the prevalence of toxic chemicals.

Now that people are already poisoned with fluoride, arsenic, pesticides, and disease-causing food ingredients, let's toss some prescription drugs into the mix:

The FDA and pharma companies know that antidepressants are dangerous and the have lied about it:
Eli Lilly knew Prozac had 1200% higher suicide rate than other antidepressants.

ADHD is a fictitious disease created in order to put children on dangerous medications: (Neurologist Dr. Fred Baughman talks about the fraud of ADHD and the poisoning of U.S. children).

Here are some facts about ADHD and the agendas of the FDA and pharmaceutical companies:

ADHD is an illusory disease; with child psychiatry repeating the lie often enough to make it become a reality.

The Center for Disease Control estimated in 2004 that there were 4 million cases nationwide in children 17 and under. It's probably 20 percent today.

People who try to ask legitimate questions of them are generally ignored because they don't have any scientific answers.

They know it is a big lie, and as long as they are getting away with it and as long as they have full access to the US Department of Education and the lobbyists to members of Congress, they enact the diagnosis and treatment of this into law.

There are laws on the books that mandate a certain level of diagnosis in the schools and that even pay extra to school districts for every child that is diagnosed with one of their bogus and contrived diseases and treated as special-education subjects.

A school district that gets more of its children diagnosed with ADHD, is rewarded with more funds.

There are laws on the books that pay parents a stipend for every child they have who is diagnosed and thus considered disabled.

Virtually every physician-patient encounter in the country, regardless of specialty, has wholeheartedly embraced this scheme. That includes the American Academy of Pediatrics, the Child Neurology Society, the American Academy of Family Practice and by various psychological groups.

Every one of these groups accepts lots of money and there is no such thing as a psychiatric expert in any psychiatric disorder that is not wholly owned or operated by the pharmaceutical industry.

These experts are actually just paid promoters of the drugs who are making millions of dollars writing prescriptions for children.

They've had such obscene amounts of drug company money to defend themselves, that no one has really succeeded against them as is necessary to put an end to this fraud.

It's so much more than a fraud when they actually poison normal children, which is what they're doing... a chemical holocaust or crimes against humanity.

They have taken entirely normal children and made patients out of them by diagnosing them with fictional chemical imbalances of the brain. It's a total fraud.

91 percent of children seeing child psychiatrists came out of their initial visit with a prescription for a drug. a third to a half of all the patients had no organic disease.

On average, every physician in the country gets $13,000 per year from the drug companies. Some get about $500,000 a year, and it has been so successful that no one within academic medicine can speak out.

Over 10 million people are being drugged. There is no sign that it's getting better.

There is no kid that gets put on these drugs that isn't altered by them. Their perceptions, behaviors, feelings and emotions are always changed and not always noticeably. They are always altered and there are horrible long-term consequences that we can't begin to know.

< End of Fact List >

The statements above are not my opinions. They are facts.

Back to my own opinions:

Psychiatric medications are a huge fraud and society is falling for it just because they are told to do so.

Do I think this massacre was caused by prescription drugs? Absolutely. I was on antidepressants for 6 years. I got off them last month. I've experienced the depression, the anxiety, the panic attacks, the suicidal thoughts, the homicidal rage and it is not pretty. It will probably take a year or more for me to fully recover from it.

Anyone else notice the sudden influx of propaganda messages stating that antidepressants are safe? I see them online and on the TV news. It is all lie. These medications are not safe and they are being used as a mass manipulation tool.

If anyone doubts this conspiracy, you need to do your research. This information is out there but we're not supposed to know about it.

Stop putting your head in the sand. That's what they're expecting us to do. That's how they will continue to succeed in killing off the population.

Originally posted by beckybecky
I am writing to advise you folk the reason the shooting occured is due to the guy being on prescription drugs.

Noooo. Don't Fall for It. This is the greatest running, "free"-Ad scheme that the Psychological units can amuster.

Proper medication adjustments will fix everything. They'll tell ya'.:

"O.K." We messed up on that guy. But, you don't have to feel, sad.

We can fix what ain't broke.

Don't feel any level of emotional skewing. I mean, :

For XXX dollars, I'll take the hurt away.

Mods.

Originally posted by annestacey

If anyone doubts this conspiracy, you need to do your research. This information is out there but we're not supposed to know about it.

Stop putting your head in the sand. That's what they're expecting us to do. That's how they will continue to succeed in killing off the population.

You are totally correct.

Youseem to be oneof the few who has overcome the mass brain washing to do your research.I was horrified by the statement by the 2nd poster above that anti-depressants dont cause side effects EVEN THOUGH THE LABEL WITH THE MEDICATION ADMITS THE SIDE EFFECTS.Yet this guy claims no side effects.

240040 people get killed by FDA approved prescription drugs every year in the U.S.A.

240040.

think about it.

how many the 11/9 terrorists kill? 4000....yes they get all the bad publicity yet the corporate murderers get of free.

We are trying to makes sense out of a tragedy that makes no sense. We want to point a finger and asign blame. To say it was the drugs seems to over simplify it. I do realise drugs are a scourge in the US and cause far more harm than the infirmity itself would if left untreated. Millions of Americans are on these meds. If it was solely the drugs we would have MANY more acts like this committed throughout the country.

The truth is no sane rational human can understand what goes on inside a person like this. We cant fully understand that wich we havent experienced for ourselves. I do believe drugs could have played a role but there were many more factors involved.

Originally posted by esecallum
240040 people get killed by FDA approved prescription drugs every year in the U.S.A.

240040.

think about it.

emphasis mine

So this exact number is constant ?

sanc'

Blip. Someone pull the Efficacy report. Titrate, my friend, titrate.

How in the Heck his assign. counsel couldn't have detected this may be a conspiracy, indeed.

Let's see. Cause trauma, plause trauma, make money.

Yeah, that's it. That's the ticket.

Seriously, though. NOw I'm hearin'
that NSeeMee received reports, and immediately reported it. To his counsel.

Cameras running. Every whicha way.

What's that new badge. :Johnny Be Good. Real Good. There's Reward. SeeMeSEE

From what I've read so far about this guy's background and the reports by his classmates on his 'literature' it seems like their could be a past incident whether just one-off or recurring, of abuse...either physical, emotional, or sexual and that be a causal factor of a 'personality disassociative disorder' which would say a lot about his signing himself 'question mark' on class registers. Combined with a sensitivity to behavioural-medications would make for a psychological ticking bomb

Wow, looks like the early CS talk ran off the OP. Dont get me wrong, the Scientology angle on the OP intent is probably a good guess.

As far as the topic goes, its a statement made while turning a blind eye to all of the other mitigating factors that brought this person to do this act at this place. Its definately dripping with agenda.

We as outsiders will more than likely get the jist of what was happening in this guys life/head to bring him to this point, but we will probably never find anything that will "justify" what he did. There is no justification for this. If anyone ever finds something that in thier head will give reason to what he did, to get even near allowing this to make some sense, then that person too has some issues IMO.

Drugs may have played a part in this but no, it wasnt THE reason he did this - no more than any of the other factors, known or unknown, were THE reason he did this. These situations are born of the most complex combinations of factors, some of which one would never associate with each other normally. They are as complex and unusual as the human mind is and to overtly simplify it like this is irresponsible.



[edit on 19-4-2007 by Lost_Mind]

Originally posted by bizone
couple of thoughts to ponder....

what kind of people take anti-depressents?
answer: people with mental issues.

this correlates to my next point...

what kind of people commit/attempt suicide, and go on murderous rampages?
answer: people with mental issues.

point is, the guy was mentally ill, so he was prescribed medicine. he took his medicine, and it did not solve his problems. he had the issues BEFORE he was put on medication.

Thank you Dr. Bizone for clearing that up.... don't spin your conjecture as fact - well you can if you want but I don't buy it.

The post has logic, but unfortunately this is not the reality of it for a lot of unfortunates who have been perscribed this legal dope: Prozac, zoloft, paxil, these have all had bad repercussions for alot of people who should have been perscribed a healthy diet, excersise, and meditation.