My View of the Universe,And What We Are.

apparently, the earth will be directly parallel to the centre of the universe in dec 2012.

so if you could imagine it, we'll be side by side, even though itll be far away.

or another possible way to look at it is, the earth will be directly above/below the centre in a vertical line.

the centre being in the sagittarius constellation..

I pretty much have more or less the same understanding...although I disagree with some of your defintions (choice of wording).

To define such concepts as the "universe", how it came to be etc... is pretty much impossible, thinking in a 'logical' point of view. What is "logical" to us, is logical ONLY to us. We only have our sense of reality, our point of view to see and try to understand things from. The universe is infinate, right? Which means there are infinate possibilities, infinate everything. Yet we tend to think we know whats going on, whether it be science or religion... When in truth, we know absolutely nothing about anything that is outside our sense of reality.

There are infinate possibilities, and each possibility is truth - depending on the view point at which it's being looked at. It's for this reason I never pay much attention to those claiming to define the universe in a logical/scientific view point. Looking at it in such a perspective severely limits the possibilities down to very few, which leaves very little truth. Instead, I look at things from a perspective which opens up to as many possibilities as possible in my sense of reality. Having such a view point means it has to be very simple, yet capable of occupying infinate amount of possibilities - after all, they're all truth.

For example, when speaking of the universe and where it came from... I never think of it as being physically created, but rather it just is. The best way I can imagine such a concept without limiting the possibilities, is to look at it all as dreams. The universe is a dream within a dream, within a dream etc. Within each univserse, there are galaxies, planets... sentient beings. Each sentient being "dreams" or "imagines", and another univserse is created. Infinate dreams = Infinate universe = Infinate possibilities.

The simplest explanation will often explain the most complicated scenarios. We just have to learn to accept 'what is', and forget about all the tiny little complications. Once we can achieve this, we can progress in the infinate path of enlightenment - wake up to new and exciting dreams.

Whether or not 2012 will be a time of mass enlightenment in this dream, where we have learnt all we can looking at things from this point of view...who knows. Very good possibility, I don't know how it all works... whether or we are all connected, as one, to the same 'assignment' here on this point of view, and therefore finnish at the same time...or if it's one of the other unlimited possibilities. There does seem to be a mass feeling of this 'assignment' coming to an end. I guess all we can do is roll with it. What happens, happens. Untill then - do what you've always wanted to do...don't take life too complicated/serious and enjoy

Originally posted by mrbocci
I just hope that something good will eventually save us all, regardless of whether it be God/Aliens or some other forces, at the end of the day if we are to be saved from the sh*t we as a race have created throughout the world then I wouldn't care where it came from.

wy do you think we need to be saved

The universe is aware of itself through us humans.

We are the product of a directed evolution which has attained a brain capable of reflection.

So our solar system is actually moving? I never knew that?
Interesting stuff, Ive heard similar things in the past, about us moving into something around 2012.

[edit on 16-4-2007 by _Phoenix_]

Originally posted by Mayan2012
Yea i dont believe in the god/jesus thing either lol.

But the universe IS aware of itself trust me.

ill try and get some links for you , im busy at the moment so gimme a while

-Mayan

Yes, I trust you because I know what the Universe is thinking:

"Does this black hole at my center make my butt look big?"

Yep, you guessed right. The Universe is a chick.

For the most part I agree with the things you are saying to some degree. I have some potential disagreements with the whole Ascension theory, but I do generally believe those who are sentient will have some sort of major revelation or conscious awakening that is equivalent to absolute enlightenment. Whether that takes place in the form of those beings becomeing energy or shifting our reality as humans I think is up for debate.

I have some questions though:

What about people who are incapable of seeking out the light/truth? What about those who are mentally retarted or autistic? Are they out of luck?

What about aliens if you believe in them? Have they already "ascended" or are they in the same boat as we are?

I think overall you are on to something. But I also dont think anyone has totally put all the pieces of the puzzle together. Thats not to say you wont "ascend", but at least you must think that there is still some mystery out there pertaining to the whole mayan 2012 thing.

Of course i believe in Other Sentient Life forms and Believe SOME of them are in the same boat as us. But i also believe Some aliens have Ascended also. Ascended into beings the same as us when we Ascend.
Pure Energy. The Energy that the Universe is made of. Sentient Energy.our Souls. Call it whatever you may.

Autistic,and mentally challenged people MAY be able to Ascend...if they are Open Minded,And/Or if they have reached Spiritual Enlightenment.

If they cannot think because of a mental disorder or dysfunction then they will have to wait till death to Ascend.

Either way we all will Ascend.

Those who are closed minded and "Bad Energies"/Murderers/Terrorists/etc etc will not Ascend in 2012 OR after death. they're energy will simply be absorbed into the Unniverse and Filtered out.

any more Questions?

(i hope this helps)

-Mayan

if most of us go to the same place/level/field of energy when we die as those who Ascend, and we all die, and a human's lifetime in a universe of infinites is so incredibly short that it's like a single breath of fresh air on a summer day, then what's the difference?

what is the purpose of the ascension?


IOW, what's the point of some people Ascending, and then being joined a universal heartbeat later by everyone else who had to take the scenic route?


*edit for clarity

[edit on 17-4-2007 by quango]

I understand where your coming from. and my answer is:

i honestly do not know.


thats like asking. "why does it say in the bible jesus will come for us at judgement day and take us to heaven,when we go there when we die anyways"

i really dont know

lol good question though

Keep the questions coming guys ill try and answer as many as possible.

-Mayan

Really interesting thread I've thought about this before and to me it really does make sense. I'm not too sure about the whole ascending theory though, not saying I don't believe it but not saying I do either. Anyways, I had a question for you.. if we all turn back into energy when we die or ascend then what was the point of becoming humans in the first place?

I also really liked the whole "dream = universe" theory and I've thought of something similar before as well. How many people have died in their dreams? Personally I haven't but I was just thinking one day that what if when you die, you just wake up in another universe and shake it off as a dream and continue to live that life oblivious to the universe you just died in? Just a thought I had one day lol thought I'd share..

Originally posted by Tha_Watcher

I also really liked the whole "dream = universe" theory and I've thought of something similar before as well. How many people have died in their dreams?

I have multiple times. And no, you dont die in real life when you die in your dreams. However I have found those dreams to be some of the craziest dreams I've ever had, in fact I had one last week. I was riding in a trolley car down a hill with a friend. Suddenly the car broke or something and we were hurtling down the hill to our deaths. We accepted this, and then died. Following our death, we awoke in some strange water filled cave where we had to fight sharks. This dream was very bizzare.

Originally posted by Mayan2012
Of course i believe in Other Sentient Life forms and Believe SOME of them are in the same boat as us. But i also believe Some aliens have Ascended also. Ascended into beings the same as us when we Ascend.
Pure Energy. The Energy that the Universe is made of. Sentient Energy.our Souls. Call it whatever you may.

Autistic,and mentally challenged people MAY be able to Ascend...if they are Open Minded,And/Or if they have reached Spiritual Enlightenment.

I'm confused as to what you actually think happens when we ascend. You say we ascend into pure energy, but what exactly does that mean. If you think about it, we are already pure energy. Its well known that matter is just highly concentrated energy, based on einsteins theories and e=mc2 or whatever. So what does this "pure energy" look like? Is it human bodies totally revitalized and revamped? Or is it energy in the sense of light?

My theory on this is that we become timeless beings in the astral form when we die. When we "ascend" or when the "rapture" happens we are going to get brand new bodies with amazing capabilities. But I'm really unsure about these things.

By the way I've dreamed that i died before.

Originally posted by Tha_Watcher
Really interesting thread

I've thought about this before and to me it really does make sense. I'm not too sure about the whole ascending theory though, not saying I don't believe it but not saying I do either. Anyways, I had a question for you.. if we all turn back into energy when we die or ascend then what was the point of becoming humans in the first place?

Thanks for the Post Watcher. Very good question

Well Now. The whole point os being in our human form is to Learn.

To Learn how to love one and other,and to learn how to set aside differences like skin pigments,cultures. And live a peaceful , prosperous life. With No wars,or terrorism. The people that die and Havent learnt crap,get recycled into the Universe To start again. (with no memories of course)

Being Human is a Test. its merely a test for the next life. which is Eternal.


When and If you Ascend. you will be able to take human form again if you please. Or you could take any other form for that matter.

The possibilities as an Ascended being ,While limited,are truly endless.

Originally posted by Tha_WatcherI also really liked the whole "dream = universe" theory and I've thought of something similar before as well. How many people have died in their dreams? Personally I haven't but I was just thinking one day that what if when you die, you just wake up in another universe and shake it off as a dream and continue to live that life oblivious to the universe you just died in? Just a thought I had one day lol thought I'd share..

Yea it is interesting isnt it? Maybe you should research Astral Projection.Or Lucid Dreaming
Its really something. It is a temporary way of letting your Energy"Soul" or "life force"out of your body while sleeping. It takes to time to do it,but my dad and i have actually done it.

Its Very cool. i can now control every dream i have. and Sometimes i can astral project....but i havent mastered it yet.nor have i done it for quite some time. but its extremely hard to master.
Lucid dreaming is quite different and quite easy once you know what to do.

Hope this helps



-Mayan

Originally posted by Vipassana


I'm confused as to what you actually think happens when we ascend. You say we ascend into pure energy, but what exactly does that mean. If you think about it, we are already pure energy. Its well known that matter is just highly concentrated energy, based on einsteins theories and e=mc2 or whatever. So what does this "pure energy" look like? Is it human bodies totally revitalized and revamped? Or is it energy in the sense of light?

My theory on this is that we become timeless beings in the astral form when we die. When we "ascend" or when the "rapture" happens we are going to get brand new bodies with amazing capabilities. But I'm really unsure about these things.

By the way I've dreamed that i died before.

When we Ascend ...we step into a different plane of existence. you will be able to have a human form if u like,or whatever form u desire.

We have no true form. We are just energy. energy only has form if you make it have form. Us on the other hand will be able to make ourselves any form...so i dont really know what we would "Truly" look like in our "True" forms.

Good question though. Sorry i cant answer it fully =/

-Mayan

Not Everyone will Ascend. Only a few. I will be one of the few that Ascend into my true form. Which is? Energy. The same energy that you become when you die.

the people that Dont Ascend,will have to wait till they die. Because the next Ascension isnt for another 26,000 years.

[edit on 4/16/2007 by Mayan2012]

Why do you feel that certain people have this so called life-energy and the capacity to ascend?

I think if you are a living person, that is proof enough that you have so called life-energy. If you have the capacity for thought or imagination you also have the capacity to ascend.

What makes you any different? There are some people who have a higher capacity to sense anomalies in the environment, but that in no way seperates them from another person, just heightened senses that any person could pick up with practice and meditation.

Not to be picky... but you say that only people who accept that anything is possible in the universe will ascend... but then you say that you don't believe in Jesus and God... isn't that kinda DENIAL that ANYTHING is possible?

Why is it impossible? On your theory of a sentient universe, perhaps the universe created God and God in turn created us.

No, I'm not saying it's the Christian God, nor Allah, nor anything. But is it IMpossible that there ARE gods? My profile says I'm male. Yet for all you know, I'm a female. Without proof, there is only perception and belief. Anything is possible until PROVEN 100% beyond a doubt that it's not. And even then, with our limited knowledge of everything - along comes something to prove that our proof is wrong.

hmm, well I died one night (from insulin shock) was gone between 5-10 minutes according to my 13 year old, he called my mom and her husband performed cpr on me, I didnt go anywhere lol, all I remember is when I came back the first time was feeling extreme COLDNESS, very cold and very dark.
Died again in the ambulance and again at the ER but those two times I was resuscitated in a matter of minutes if not seconds. Blackness and cold, thats all i recall feeling after the first time

Originally posted by Tha_Watcher

I also really liked the whole "dream = universe" theory and I've thought of something similar before as well. How many people have died in their dreams? Personally I haven't but I was just thinking one day that what if when you die, you just wake up in another universe and shake it off as a dream and continue to live that life oblivious to the universe you just died in? Just a thought I had one day lol thought I'd share..

Originally posted by Mayan2012

Cats,Dogs,other animals therefore are Not Included in Ascension

Those who are closed minded and "Bad Energies"/Murderers/Terrorists/etc etc will not Ascend in 2012 OR after death. they're energy will simply be absorbed into the Unniverse and Filtered out.

It doesn't seem very fair grouping animals in with terrorists and murderers...
I've known animals that seem more sentient than some people.
Other than that, I like your theory.
What do you mean by murderers though? Is it the intent or action that matters? It seems quite a few people kill because there's something wrong with their brains, for example, Charles Whitman had a tumor which some people think affected the amygdala.
Then there are those that murder because they were ordered to or because they were defending themselves.
Sometimes it's hard to distinguish good and evil, good energy and bad energy, if such things even exist beyond our imaginations.

Originally posted by Mayan2012
Then They will have to wait untill they die.


All this Ascension is is a Death.

After Death you Ascend. You become Energy,and you are free to do as you please (with limitations)

[edit on 4/16/2007 by Mayan2012]

With limitations? Eternal life would be impossible because you would run out of "new experiences"





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