Researchers explore scrapping Internet

So maybe this internet we use now, and sites like this one, and people like us are soon to become the rebels! Rememberers of the original internet. Underground l33ts that refuse to yield to the governments control.

lol If the gub'ment imposes a new network, then I'm going to keep the old free and open internet alive!!! DAMN THE MAN!! SAVE THE INTERNET!!

Originally posted by Johnmike
Woah, woah. Before yelling about how it's going to kill freedom and whatnot, what exactly is it that they want to do?

It seems that they want to fix existing and expected security and performance issues with communication. Old hardware and software, in a sense, needs to be replaced to accomate the needs of a growing user base world wide.

edit= an update if you will.

[edit on 14-4-2007 by souls]

I read about this yesterday, I don't advocate it, nor do I think it
will happen.

There are far to many people that are/would be against it.

What will most likely happen is that some of the developments from
the project will be modified and just added to the current system, much
like it works now.

Under the guise of maintaining "Homeland security" and keeping the homeland safe from those that want to kill us. The internet must be controlled by the PTB. Those Arabs are talking on the internet and scheming diabolical ways to kill us. We need to be protected.
Thank Christ there are strong men willing to do it. And get rid of the porn too. Maybe we can track all you pervs down and put you in the camps along with all the terrorist sympathizers. It has to be done!!!

sarcasm off.

Originally posted by whaaa
Thank Christ there are strong men willing to do it. And get rid of the porn too.

NOOOO!! Not the porn!!

Iori_Komei,

I think most people would agree to this because it will just come in the form of an "update". If you don't update your computer, it will fall behind, and soon, it will not be compatible with "new" content, and hardware. A lot of people depend on the internet, whether for porn or business.

Originally posted by gottago
It says much more about what the US gov't wishes it could do with the internet than what it actually can do to dismantle it.

Do not underestimate the viability of this plan, and the US government's "blessed" research team's ability to make this happen. Also I wouldn't be surprised if this hasn't already been going on for years in secrecy.. they have to come out sooner or later through the news media. slowly over time this story will evolve, and if done cleverly enough people will accept the changes as a benevolent necessity.

Read my most recent post on page one of this thread for more.

There already is a www2 isn't there? Its just restricted to certain types of access. Not just anyone can get on it. Maybe they are talking about scrapping the www and just going over to www2?

They already update software and hardware. What's the difference?

Originally posted by Johnmike
They already update software and hardware. What's the difference?

The difference is that they want to dismantle the entire current system,
and replace it with a completely new system, that w/could have uilt-in
parts that limit content, that the current system does not have, along
with many other nefarious and positive changes.


Sort of like chopping off an arm and replacing it with a completely
new muscular one, just becaue it is not muscular enough.

Originally posted by iori_komei
Sort of like chopping off an arm and replacing it with a completely
new muscular one, just becaue it is not muscular enough.

Interesting and somewhat odd analogy.

Going with it though.. The chopped off arm still remains connected, and is by design allowed to slowly die a respectful death, the new arm uses the connection to the old to gather even more strength, ultimately sucking the life out of the chopped off arm.

Face it folks, we are talking about the beginning of an all changing technological revolution, designed to better control the exchange of information, they can tell you it will improve performance and security, and show you all the amazing new user friendly features, and you will warm up to this new Internet, and accept it as a benevolent necessity, a part of the evolution, and the next phase of mankind's advancement.

If you think they are monitoring your activity now, just wait until things change.

As I said in another post in this thread, "Resistance will be futile."

Well... don't think they can ever eliminate the "underground". Whenever a limiting technology is implemented, there immediately exists a surreptitious element. It is a natural response.

Resistance may indeed be futile, but it is futility that will be resisted.

The internet by definition can't be "shut down." This is ludicrous I really don't understand

Originally posted by iori_komei
The difference is that they want to dismantle the entire current system,
and replace it with a completely new system, that w/could have uilt-in
parts that limit content, that the current system does not have, along
with many other nefarious and positive changes.

I mean like...what exactly are they going to replace, and with what? And where's the censorship bit come in?

Originally posted by Xeros
The internet by definition can't be "shut down." This is ludicrous

I really don't understand

Read through this thread again and maybe you'll get it, it will not be shut down, rather it will be slowly phased out, a transition to the new and improved _________?

Internet2 and this thing they want to do, are two different things.

Internet2 is basically new/faster infrastructures, using the current internet protocols (IPv4/IPv6).

This new thing they want to do is to redesign the internet protocols.

Don't think for a second that they will do this for your own good, because they won't. It's all about making a system that is controllable (at least way more controllable than the current one).

They will claim it's all about efficiency and security, and to some extent, it is.. better 'security' like DRM/copyright protected information, and more efficient control/monitoring mechanisms.

Of course the current Internet design is not perfect, but it can be perfected and improved without having to be 'scrapped off'. IPv6 protocol is an example of that. New/faster/better infraestructures can be be set up - and they frequently are, that's why we have 8/16/24mbit connections in our homes now and were using 14.4kbps modems 15-10 years ago.

The US Government has been trying to gain more control of the Internet, in recent years, trying get control of the DNS root servers to the point that ICANN is considering privatizing and moving outside of the US.

Troubling times...

IPv6 isn't anything to be afraid of. It supports more IP addresses. Which is good if you don't want to run out.

What else does Internet2 do, and what's so bad about it?

Originally posted by Johnmike
IPv6 isn't anything to be afraid of. It supports more IP addresses. Which is good if you don't want to run out.

And so it begins...

Originally posted by Johnmike
IPv6 isn't anything to be afraid of. It supports more IP addresses. Which is good if you don't want to run out.

What else does Internet2 do, and what's so bad about it?

What's being talked about isn't Internet2...
I thought I had just explained the differences.

No more downloading free pron? No more access to streamlined episodes of "South Park?" No more cursing in charooms and getting booted or placed in the iggy bin? Well if the current internet is bad, I don't want to be good.

Oh, I see. Misunderstood your post for some stupid reason. Do you know any more details about what this proposed plan includes?