Israeli fighter jets intercept U.S. airliner

A U.S. passenger jet was met by fighter jets today as it entered Israel. Evidentally the pilot did not make contact soon enough to identify himself. You think they are a little on edge over there? Good reason to be I guess.

www.jpost.com...

These days im not surprised they acted quickly and with intention of shooting the plane down if they didn't get a sign that everything was as it should be. better the few than the many!
The only thing that worries me is, if the passenger plane couldn't show there was nothing sinister and the fighters shot it down with out really needing to, but it probably would have been covered up with a false story of terrorism.

That's SOP for ANY country. Planes are given a code for when they enter airspace around a country. Once they enter the Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ), if they aren't already talking to ATC, or they aren't broadcasting the proper code they're intercepted by fighters and looked over. And for the record that article is full of cow excrement. They were NEVER close to intercepting and destroying the plane. When you intercept a plane you send a fighter up next to it to look it over for anything suspicious while one trails behind covering. They DO NOT fire on any plane that doesn't take hostile action or display some sort of threat.

But how does a passenger show hostile intentions or look like a threat ?
this isn't a pop at your post just id like to know what could a passenger jet do to make it look hostile ?

Originally posted by Zaphod58
That's SOP for ANY country.

Except for the US on 9/11.

Planes are given a code for when they enter airspace around a country. Once they enter the Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ), if they aren't already talking to ATC, or they aren't broadcasting the proper code they're intercepted by fighters and looked over.

I guess the difference is the planes on 9/11 started out in the US?

As far as the article goes, I think we need to crack down on Israel (Zionists). That's all I'm saying.

Originally posted by u4ria
But how does a passenger show hostile intentions or look like a threat ?
this isn't a pop at your post just id like to know what could a passenger jet do to make it look hostile ?

It wasn't considered hostile. It was an unknown since it wasn't talking to ATC, so they scrambled fighters to identify it. It happens in the US constantly we just don't hear about it. When I lived in Hawaii we had 3-4 scrambles a month at least.

The point of the ADIZ is to identify planes coming into your airspace FROM OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY (that's for you Griff), and if they're not broadcasting the right codes, or talking to ATC then fighters are scrambled to identify the plane, and just look it over. They're looking for suspicious activity in the cockpit, things on the plane that don't look right, damage to the plane, and if they can't make radio contact they try to make contact using hand signals and find out why the plane isn't talking on the radio (radio out condition, major electrical malfunction, etc). The plane isn't considered hostile, but the ADIZ is the jurisdiction (for lack of a better term) of the military, so they use fighters to id unknowns.

As for 9/11 Griff, completely different circumstances than a normal interception. In a normal interception in the ADIZ for one, they know just where the plane is, because they have radar contact with the transponder. For another it's coming from outside the country in. The ADIZ zone is off the coast of the US, and ends near the coastline.

[edit on 4/11/2007 by Zaphod58]

Originally posted by Zaphod58
As for 9/11 Griff, completely different circumstances than a normal interception. In a normal interception in the ADIZ for one, they know just where the plane is, because they have radar contact with the transponder. For another it's coming from outside the country in. The ADIZ zone is off the coast of the US, and ends near the coastline.

I figured that was the difference. Hence why I wrote the part about the planes originating in the US.

Griff quote: As far as the article goes, I think we need to crack down on Israel (Zionists). That's all I'm saying.
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Trying to understand what your saying above and why? If it's std procedure to intercept improperly transmitted codes of any foreign aircraft by any Country, why would you feel the need to crack down on Israel?
"Zionist" what's that about?

Dallas

When you routinely invade your surrounding neighbors airspace with malicious intentions I guess you will tend to be pretty jumpy yourself when it comes to someone else coming into yours. Paranoia sometimers stems from your own criminality or past actions.

There was nothing "jumpy" about this. This was a ROUTINE interception made when a plane entered their airspace without being positively identified. The US, UK, Russia, ANYONE would have intercepted this plane to identify it if it entered their airspace.

These are the rules put forth for the US ADIZ areas. The rules for other countries would be similar if not identical.

General

a. National security in the control of air traffic is governed by Title 14 of the U.S. Code of Federal Regulations, Part 99.

b. All aircraft entering domestic U.S. airspace from points outside must provide for identification prior to entry. To facilitate early aircraft identification of all aircraft in the vicinity of U.S.-International airspace boundaries, Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ) have been established. (See Figures 1-4-1, 1-4-2, 1-4-3, and 1-4-4.)

c. Operational requirements for aircraft entering or flying within the ADIZ areas are as follows:

1. Flight plan requirements. Except as specified in subparagraphs d and e, an instrument flight rules (IFR) or defense visual flight rules (DVFR) flight plan must be on file with the appropriate aeronautical facility as follows:

(a) Generally, for all operations that enter an ADIZ.

(b) For operations that will enter or exit the United States and which will operate into, within, or across the contiguous U.S. ADIZ, regardless of true airspeed.

(c) The flight plan must be filed before departure except for operations associated with the Alaskan ADIZ when the airport of departure has no facility for filing a flight plan; in which case, the flight plan may be filed immediately after takeoff or when within range of the aeronautical facility.

2. Two-way radio requirements. For the majority of operations associated with an ADIZ, an operating two-way radio is required. See 14 CFR Part 99.1 for exceptions.

3. Transponder requirements. Unless otherwise authorized by ATC, each aircraft conducting operations into, within, or across the Contiguous U.S. ADIZ must be equipped with an operable radar beacon transponder having altitude reporting capability (Mode C), and that transponder must be turned on and set to reply on the appropriate code or as assigned by ATC.

f. A VFR flight plan makes an aircraft subject to interception for positive identification when entering an ADIZ. Pilots are urged to file the required Defense VFR (DVFR) flight plan either in person or by telephone prior to departure.[/b

www.faa.gov...

[edit on 4/12/2007 by Zaphod58]

Are there any fines associated with violating these rules? If there are indeed several scrambles a week , it would seem that we are spending an awful lot of tax dollars on wasted jet fuel.

Generally not. It's usually an innocent mistake, or caused by a delay somewhere in the flight.

Originally posted by Griff

As far as the article goes, I think we need to crack down on Israel (Zionists). That's all I'm saying.

We need to crack down on idiots and their bigotry!!

The IDF jets intercept planes not only to shoot them down but also to escort them out of Israeli airspace or from populated areas, where the airliner could be used as a weapon against the state of Israel .

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
When you routinely invade your surrounding neighbors airspace with malicious intentions I guess you will tend to be pretty jumpy yourself when it comes to someone else coming into yours. Paranoia sometimers stems from your own criminality or past actions.

Apparently perceiving maleficence in others also stems from the sickness within.

Originally posted by IAF101

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
When you routinely invade your surrounding neighbors airspace with malicious intentions I guess you will tend to be pretty jumpy yourself when it comes to someone else coming into yours. Paranoia sometimers stems from your own criminality or past actions.

Apparently perceiving maleficence in others also stems from the sickness within.

Im not the one flying jets at mach1 speed flying over peoples houses over my borders though. No sickness here. If you think thats a defendable thing to do, then I would love to see the look on your face if someone did it to you and blew out your windows with sonic booms at low altitudes. Anyways even if they shot down the passenger plane Im sure you would be defending the IAF no matter what they did so theres no point in even arguing with you...after all, one just needs to look at your member name and know that you seem pretty much enamoured with them anyway.

And just from reading the first line of this article you can tell there is scare mongering about the IAF going on. There was NEVER a risk of them shooting it down, provided it didn't do something that was considered a hostile action. This was a ROUTINE non-event that happens daily around the world, but we never hear about the USAF "almost shooting down a civilian airliner" or the Russian Air Force, or anyone else's air force for that matter. Why this event, other than it happened in Israel?

Tough isn't it Zaphod?

Tough to prove that this was a non-event that someone with an agenda blew out of proportion? Not really. Because that's exactly what it was. I'm sure I could dig up the facts on how many routine interceptions go on in the US a month somewhere.

Edit to add:

In 2005, there were approximately 129 scrambles in the US alone. Why didn't we hear about all those and how close the US was to shooting them down? That works out to 2-3 A WEEK, but we almost NEVER heard about those.

[edit on 4/13/2007 by Zaphod58]

Its not tough to prove it those who are willing to listen..and those who know what its all about..