What Are We Really?

Originally posted by Realtruth
No need to provide you with a link because no one can prove mass sightings are UFOs. The only thing they can prove is that they think they saw something, but they are not sure what. Some people look to the sky and think flares, weather balloons, military planes are UFOs, but they are not UFO sightings at all.

I asked you to provide me with ONE example of a mass sighting where some people saw the UFO and other people did not. I asked you to do this to support your theory that some people operate on different energy levels, possibly the same as the UFOs.

You can't provide me with a link, or a documented case to support your theory?

You then state that mass sightings can't even be proven to be UFOs? So how can you speculate on the energy levels of UFOs in mass sightings, when you don't even believe that UFOs in mass sightings can be proven as real?

Dude, you really don't what you are typing. The inconsistencies in your assumptions are logically flawed.

This thread is junk.

And if the thread is junk then stop posting in it, we wouldn't want you to associate yourself with a junk thread.

I'm not above posting in junk threads. Ripping apart false reasoning and disinformation, like the kind that you provide, is sometimes amusing for me.

Wow! You are quite the tenacious individual, but sometimes simple things amuse simple minds..

Originally posted by tezzajw

I'm not above posting in junk threads. Ripping apart false reasoning and disinformation, like the kind that you provide, is sometimes amusing for me.

As I was saying to everyone else here. Only certain theories can can be understood by intelligent individuals that look outside the box, the box of reason and their own ego's.

We are all energy, this is fact. Years ago people would have laughed at anyone who made the claim that everything is just energy and the physical world truly doesn't exist and only a universe of energy is present. Maybe it is time to look at things as energy and not physical objects. I am quite sure that the people in this forum that I have had conversations with in the past know what I am hinting to.



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Originally posted by Realtruth
Wow! You are quite the tenacious individual, but sometimes simple things amuse simple minds..

I'm very tenacious when a person makes a claim and can't supply any evidence to support their claim, like you did.

I asked you for a mass UFO sighting where some people saw the UFO and others didn't. You did not provide me one documented case.

You then stated that mass UFO sightings can't be proven to be true.

Which is to be? Do mass UFO sightings happen or not? Are they real or not?

How did any of that help your claim that UFOs operate on specific frequencies that some people can sense?

Those simple statements made by you certainly amused me, as they destroyed your theory about energy levels from UFOs, when you can't be certain that mass-sighted UFOs even exist or not.

Originally posted by Realtruth
Energy is just itself and cannot be created, nor destroyed.

Who says? The laws of thermodynamics may be disproven in the future, or may just APPEAR to be conserved in our observations.

A good example of a mass sighting where some people saw UFO's and some didn't is Fatima. Some people saw spaceships and some saw 'Our lady of the Heavens.' The children who spoke with her interpreted her as Mary and became very religious afterwards. This might have been influenced by their upbringing in a very Catholic Portugal, but that does not discount the message.

Which was to consecrate Russia to Our Lady's Sacred Heart. Had communism not discarded religion according to Marx's dogma, we might today have an economic language of compassion and not simply propaganda models supporting different types of extremes.

It's a fascinating approach to the topic of the phenomena and deserves some serious attention.

Especially given the fact that UFO's are able to exceed the boundaries of matter as we know it. It probably involves speeding up atomic particles to the point where matter can pass through matter. that would exceed the restrictions of our dimension.

Just tonight, I pointed to the picture on the wheelchair's table and asked, "Is that Mary?" He answered, 'No, that's Fatima." I said - Oh yes, "Our Lady of the Heavens, that's who I work for" and showed him my scapular. Meaning of course, may God make me worthy of the covenant.

Coincidence? Or energy.

RealTruth, excellent post. You have provided much food for thought on a subject that I have myself have been fascinated with for years. I am amazed that more people aren't as frenzied about this subject as I am. Everything around us is really just energy vibrating at a certain hertz frequency. I don't really know what that frequency is but what it all boils down to is our perception of the world as a physical manifestation is not true but it's composed of vibrating energy. So what are we really?

Originally posted by tezzajw
I asked you to provide me with ONE example of a mass sighting where some people saw the UFO and other people did not. I asked you to do this to support your theory that some people operate on different energy levels, possibly the same as the UFOs.

You can't provide me with a link, or a documented case to support your theory?

I can oblige here - Dickinson North Dakota - one man captured a fleet of UFOs on nightshot mode with his camera, and his friend nearby could not see them with his naked eye - as evidenced on the film itself. www.hbccufo.org...

The footage is so compelling, you see a Star Wars-style 'dogfight' and shooting towards the end of this film. Clear cinematic proof that ET and UFO are operating on different energy spectrums outside our normal human perception.

1. This IS a good post but I agree that it would perhaps be better suited to skunk works. I would like to talk about the 'ultraexterrestrial' theory (which the OP seems to allude to in part) whereby aliens are not intergalactic travelers but components of a reality that exists outside of our conceptualization and most likely overlaps and incorporates our own. This for me sheds some clarity upon the complete absence of physical evidence or concrete footage out there in spite of the huge amount of people who claim to have had contact with aliens or alien craft. For me the aliens that we interact with exist in a dimension above our own but harness the ability to manipulate and manifest within this dimension at will in order to influence or monitor certain events or people. I believe that their intentions are neither exclusively benevolent or malevolent; in fact I'd say most would be generally indifferent to us.

2. I have also come to the conclusion that our reality is essentially solidified energy vibrating at an incredibly dense rate to create a tangible illusion that is shared and readily accepted by most people upon this planet. Invisible energy particles can easily be solidified to generate tangible mass when exposed to certain conditions; gas to liquid to solid and so on. Within this reality we can operate only within the confines of limited motion, a linear time structure and separation from the Source. Our eyes can only handle 0.005% of all known matter within the universe, and the electromagnetic signals that we absorb optically are processed wholly within your cerebrum to generate your unique perception of a shared illusion. Essentially we are operating within a spectacularly narrow pocket of existence and yet people still postulate as existentialists!

3. I think what the OP is getting at is that we are still so far from understanding ourselves or our own true nature that we cannot seriously begin to contemplate the nature of alien life and should be spending more time exploring and understanding ourselves. The last episode of 'Star Trek: TNG' said exactly this and I think it's absolutely spot on.

Originally posted by RiotComing
I can oblige here - Dickinson North Dakota - one man captured a fleet of UFOs on nightshot mode with his camera, and his friend nearby could not see them with his naked eye - as evidenced on the film itself. www.hbccufo.org...

I read the report and I can't clearly see where he mentions that other people can't see the lights. Also, here's a quote from his report: "As I said I never saw anything with my eyes and that mode was set for focusing in on distant objects! Apparently it did!"

Are you sure he saw them with his eyes or the camera? The whole report seems to me like he is not seeing the lights with his own eyes either, he's using a camera to do so?

I can't watch the film, too slow on a dial-up modem for me to do that.

Tezzajw... you need to WATCH the video. Download the wmv video (right-click on link, 'Save Target As' etc). It's only 6.4mb, on dial-up that's barely 15 mins or so to download. Only then can you listen to him call out to his friend. It's a mindblowing video. Definitely for real, no faking, and definitely different energy spectrums at play here. Compelling stuff.

That's right, he couldn't see the craft with his own eyes - neither could his friend - that's the point. Different energy spectrum, dimension, whatever you want to call it. He had to look through the camera in order to see it. The only reason he had the camera pointing up there in the first place was to film the moon - pure luck.


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Filiming the moon has got to be at the top of my list of great pastimes.

Originally posted by RiotComing
That's right, he couldn't see the craft with his own eyes - neither could his friend - that's the point. Different energy spectrum, dimension, whatever you want to call it. He had to look through the camera in order to see it. The only reason he had the camera pointing up there in the first place was to film the moon - pure luck.

Dude, no disrespect to you. I can't download on a slow modem where I am lucky to get 40kbps.

Anyway, I asked for a case where one person could see the UFOs with their eyes, while other people could not. This is not what I asked for.

You have given me a case where BOTH people could not see it with their eyes. I don't doubt that a camera may pick up images that the eyes can not. I believe this case.

However, I'm not aware of a case where some people could see the UFO, while others could not.

Go up a few posts and read what I asked for. Mass sightings where some people could see the UFO, while others couldn't.

matter is myth

www.youtube.com...

if we go to the subatomic level, there is nothing can be described as solid matter

another view

www.youtube.com...

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The appearances at Fatima are an instance of the perceptual organs of humans influencing the experience of sighting UFO's. Now that witch burning is no longer fashionable, there have been a few books written on the Fatima experience that contradict the Catholic church's official interpretation.

It's interesting to note that one old Indian prophecy tells of two groups of star nations people who will appear. One does not have our best interests at heart and one does, they prevent the nasty one's from crossing the line.

That's interesting in how similar it is to religions and wise to keep in mind that human apprehension of the division is somewhat limited and needs to be judged by the fruits.

Fear, is obviously a tool of the dark side, so one needs to regard the consequences of whatever is promulgated.



That's not to say that she was Mary but that human expectation influenced what was seen there. It's in keeping with the often repeated Strieber claim that the grays he has met with are a mirror. In that what's expected influences interpretation. That is not a clear instance of perception influencing the phenomena of unknown appearances.

In times of uncertainty and change, it's even more important to search oneself and discover what that meaning is. Human cognitive abilities appear a little thwarted in that process of discovery by the almost reflexive habit of referring to authority and social norms for definition. There are also limits imposed by the physical restrictions of our anatomy, perhaps.

But it is the only thing we can do with some approximation of certainty. Know ourselves. Or at least, to thine own self be true.

It is the only thing a person really has influence over. What are we truly, is a valid and important question in regards to the UFO phenomena, and a personal one.

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Originally posted by clearwater
Fear, is obviously a tool of the dark side, so one needs to regard the consequences of whatever is promulgated.

Fear is a natural feeling common to many mammals that helps them survive and avoid danger, not a tool o' tha dark side

Yes, fear is an important instinct, but to exploit it can eliminate reason and encourage abdication of personal responsibility and loving action. With all the accusations of terrorists about, it seems using fear to try to coerce a response is generally regarded as inappropriate.

If you want to live in fear, that's fine. I certainly don't.

Why is it that the Grays as Strieber describes them centers on overcoming impossible fear, while the appearances at Fatima, even lourdes, inspired a different kind of reaction on behalf of the witnesses.

If you value the instinct of fear, isn't it wise to respect it?

That's not to say I know what either phenomena's true meaning is, just that I will follow my instincts.

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The logical rebuttal to that would be, the content of the Fatima appearances did in fact use fear to engender a response. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. I have no desire to become a dogmatic Muslim, but fairer economic practices might curtail the enlistment.

The last miracle of the sun, had the sun crashing to the earth. Everyone thought it was the end of the world and were terrified.

So fear can be used to encourage positive change, that's true. So can anger. But once again, with our spatial and temporal limitations, what can we judge it by, but it's fruits?

The scariest thing is really our limitation of apprehension, maybe that's why it's hard to look within. With the UFO phenomena, we're very much at the mercy of the unknown.

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This is correct everything in the universe can be quantified and measured as a frequency of vibrating energy/sound and can be measured on the Hertz scale. The average human can hear sounds between 10 Hz and 20,000 Hz, but anything higher is an Ultrasound which is a frequency greater than the upper limit of human hearing.

So biological senses are limited. What if the Majority of the UFO's, Aliens, etc. are vibrating at rates much much higher than anything we can hear or see. Maybe we have a sense that has not be quantified or qualified yet.

How about a senses that we suppress or do not use correctly, but maybe some people know how to use this sense or stumbled upon it and that is why they see more UFO's/ Aliens, because they use this particular sense of the body that we haven't discovered or named yet.

Originally posted by carnival_of_souls2047
Everything around us is really just energy vibrating at a certain hertz frequency. I don't really know what that frequency is but what it all boils down to is our perception of the world as a physical manifestation is not true but it's composed of vibrating energy. So what are we really?

Originally posted by UOFO98
matter is myth

www.youtube.com...

if we go to the subatomic level, there is nothing can be described as solid matter

another view

www.youtube.com...

[edit on 9-4-2007 by UOFO98]

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Two fascinating videos and well worth watching for anybody needing scientific clarity of the reality of this illusionary existence. The second video descends eventually into slight conjecture and the application of the linguistic term 'Allah' which suggest religious belief where I just believe that 'God', 'Allah' or whatever you want to call it is just the source of this infinite energy.

Interesting topic Realtruth, thanks.