Iran wants "gesture" from Britain.

The US captures Iranian diplomats, and nobody cares, Iran captures British troops, and everybody flips out. It doesn't seem right to me.

Tehran's ambassador to London Rasoul Movahedian indicated to reporters that his country wants help to free five Iranian diplomats jailed by the US in Iraq.

I don't think thats to much to ask, after they freed the British sailors.

Originally posted by CX
Iran has requested a "gesture" from Britain ...

I can think of a 'gesture' or two that the Brits could give to Iran in regard to the Iranians ILLEGALLY kidnapping Brits from Iraqi water and holding them hostage.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
I can think of a 'gesture' or two that the Brits could give to Iran in regard to the Iranians ILLEGALLY kidnapping Brits from Iraqi water and holding them hostage.

I can think of a 'gesture' or two that the Iranians could give to the USA in regard to the Americans ILLEGALLY kidnapping Iranian diplomats and holding them hostage.

Am I the only one that cares that the US is doing the exact same thing?!?

[edit on 4/7/2007 by Alien42]

[edit on 4/7/2007 by Alien42]

Yes but with all the smuggling of weapons, and everything else the Iranians are doing to disrupt the peace in Iraq who wouldnt be concerned about officials coming into Iraq from Iran, of course the US are going to want to know what there doing so whats the problem with detaining them.

Originally posted by Alien42
[Americans ILLEGALLY kidnapping Iranian diplomats

Yeah right

The Iranians in Iraq aren't diplomats. They are spys and insurgent terrorists, and Americans were legally in charge of security in Iraq at the time.

On the other hand - the Brits were operating in Iraqi waters with Iraqi permission when they were ILLEGALLY KIDNAPPED and held hostage by Iran who had no business being there.

NOT EVEN CLOSE to being the same thing.

Originally posted by Alien42

Originally posted by FlyersFan
I can think of a 'gesture' or two that the Brits could give to Iran in regard to the Iranians ILLEGALLY kidnapping Brits from Iraqi water and holding them hostage.

I can think of a 'gesture' or two that the Iranians could give to the USA in regard to the Americans ILLEGALLY kidnapping Iranian diplomats and holding them hostage.

Am I the only one that cares that the US is doing the exact same thing?!?

[edit on 4/7/2007 by Alien42]

[edit on 4/7/2007 by Alien42]

I find your comments offensive. The US is in NO WAY doing the exact same thing as Iran. Everything about our culture, our way of life and our government is more civilized and humane that that of Iran. The very fact that you can say such things and not be arrested or worse is a testament to the differences between our two countries.

If you think the US is so awful, why don't you move to Iran and see how you like it? Maybe you would look good in a burqua.

Originally posted by itguysrule
I find your comments offensive. The US is in NO WAY doing the exact same thing as Iran.

Almost everything that Iran has done, the USA has done too.

US funds terrorists in Iran

U.S. Sponsoring Kurdish Guerilla Attacks Inside Iran

Another example of the U.S sponsoring Terrorism

Originally posted by itguysrule
Everything about our culture, our way of life and our government is more civilized and humane that that of Iran.

If we were humane or civilized, we wouldn't torture prisoners.

Released Iranian diplomat Says CIA In Iraq Tortured Him

U.S. interrogating at Africa’s secret prisons

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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Alien42
[Americans ILLEGALLY kidnapping Iranian diplomats

Yeah right

The Iranians in Iraq aren't diplomats. They are spys and insurgent terrorists, and Americans were legally in charge of security in Iraq at the time.

On the other hand - the Brits were operating in Iraqi waters with Iraqi permission when they were ILLEGALLY KIDNAPPED and held hostage by Iran who had no business being there.

NOT EVEN CLOSE to being the same thing.

Assumptions are the mother of all 'stuff' ups.
and you just assumed your entire post.

Why are they spies in Iraq? We havent been able to find evidence of that, we havent tried them of that, infact Iraq invited them in i believe.
So, why do you label them spies?

And America is not in Iraq LEGALLY. You maybe by your own governments admissions, but when the world organisation for peace and unity says '' you acted ILLEGIALLY '' well it means more to a regular human being than your curropt government.

You nor I have any proof where those sailors were.
Yet you go around accusing Iran because you assume they are wrong, that they are lying, and all that...

We call it illtreatment when our sailors are interrogated and isolated.
We call it interrogation when we do it to them ourselves.
Your right its nothing different...

Your blind patriotism is sickening. You cant even wait for evidence of your claims until you accuse Iran of foul play.

Do peaceloving mankind a favour, and go volunteer for Iraq.
I cant imagine many ppl would risk their lives saving you, when you do nothing but spew the same bs the government did, that got all the honest hard working soliders into this total bs of a mess.

Originally posted by Alien42
Almost everything that Iran has done, the USA has done to.

So the US has to be perfect in your book before we have the right to defend ourselves? Guess what, we will never be perfect. If you find a perfect country our a perfect government please let me know so I can move there too.

What do you think we should do with Iran since you are so superior?

Originally posted by itguysrule

Originally posted by Alien42
Almost everything that Iran has done, the USA has done to.

So the US has to be perfect in your book before we have the right to defend ourselves? Guess what, we will never be perfect. If you find a perfect country our a perfect government please let me know so I can move there too.

What do you think we should do with Iran since you are so superior?

I know it wasnt directed at me,

but direct talks would be a start.

I mean, we refused to talk to Saddam, look where that got us.
Imagine if we had of talked....

We are refusing to directly talk to Iran... yet... we beleive 'this time' again, its the right thing?

What to do wtih Iran, hmmm...
Well what ever we are doing clearly isnt working.

so why do we keep doing it ?

because ultimately, we do not want to solve this issue, atleast not peacefully and diplomatically. LIKE IRAQ!

Originally posted by itguysrule
So the US has to be perfect in your book before we have the right to defend ourselves?

I never said that, I'm just sick of people complaining about Iran, but ignoring it when the USA does the same thing.

-If Iran can't have nuclear weapons, the USA shouldn’t either.

-The USA is supporting terrorists in Iran(The same thing Iran is doing in Iraq), yet nobody cares.

- The US captures Iranian diplomats, and nobody cares, Iran captures British troops, and everybody flips out.

Originally posted by itguysrule
What do you think we should do with Iran?

Talk.

At least try to avoid a war that could kill thousands of innocent people.

[edit on 4/7/2007 by Alien42]

Originally posted by Alien42

Am I the only one that cares that the US is doing the exact same thing?!?

[edit on 4/7/2007 by Alien42]

No, there's many of us on here who cares about all people from the world equally, don't give up.

Love will prevail.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
I know it wasnt directed at me,

but direct talks would be a start.

I mean, we refused to talk to Saddam, look where that got us.
Imagine if we had of talked....

We are refusing to directly talk to Iran... yet... we beleive 'this time' again, its the right thing?

What to do wtih Iran, hmmm...
Well what ever we are doing clearly isnt working.

so why do we keep doing it ?

because ultimately, we do not want to solve this issue, atleast not peacefully and diplomatically. LIKE IRAQ!

I think we did try to talk with Saddam for 17 UN resolutions. Or by talking do you mean treating every tyrant like an equal and rewarding them with all kinds of "goodies" so they will kill their own people and leave us alone? I think we tried to talk with North Korea and all they did is keep asking for more and more and continually breaking their promises. They promised the great peacemaker Jimmy Carter that they would stop building nuclear weapons but it was a total lie!

I think we quit talking to Iran when they took 52 American HOSTAGES and kept them for 444 days. They havn't done anything since that time to show us any goodwill so why should we reward them with direct talks? Iran has spent the last 27 years doing everything possible to promote terrorism and terrorist groups and try to kill Americans. Should we now think that rewarding them with direct talks will suddenly make them see the light and be our friends?

I respect your idealism, but my point is that somewhere, sometime there has to be a line. Countries like Iran see our diplomacy as nothing more than another weaknes that they can exploit. They have become very good at "playing us like a fiddle" and laugh when they do it. They have no reason to negotiate in good faith with us because they know if they don't do what we want, they will have to only face more negotiations.

Let me ask you, what would Iran have to do to justify military action against them?

Originally posted by u4ria
everything else the Iranians are doing to disrupt the peace in Iraq

Wait what?????????????

Talk about disrupting the peace? look at the US army in Iraq and how Iraq now looks like a ruin......

Wow the more i read on these threads the more my mind blows right the back of my skull.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
The Iranians in Iraq aren't diplomats. They are spys and insurgent terrorists, and Americans were legally in charge of security in Iraq at the time.

How do you even know that? for all you know he could have been a person who dedicated his life to peace...

Americans legally in charge of security in Iraq???????? THEY INVADED IRAQ!!!

Originally posted by Alien42

Originally posted by itguysrule
What do you think we should do with Iran?

Talk.

[edit on 4/7/2007 by Alien42]

Wow, I think that might just do the trick. If we send a really mean letter to Iran typed in ALL CAPS we just might get them to reverse all of their actions over the last 27 years. Maybe if we promise to look the other way while they take over the Middle East and destroy our allies, including Israel, they will promise not to say mean things about us at the all powerful UN.

Talking to someone is a wonderful idea provided they care at all what you say and have at least some intention of keeping their promises. I think Iran's only intention is to talk, talk, talk until they have nuclear weapons. Then they will stop talking and start making demands.

Endless talking is not free.

Posted originally by JohnSky:

"Technically neither side has proven wether the sailors were within Iranian waters or not. The evidence put forward so far has been highly questionable at best. So saying that they illegally detained them, that can't really be taken seriously."

JohnSky, that's not the point. Even if they sailed into Iranian waters the proper procedure would have been to escort them back to international waters and then register a complaint with the UN and British Authorities. There are protocols set in place you just don't go taking hostages at the drop of a dime. That sort of behavior starts wars.

--DENY IGNORANCE--

But the british and americans have ventured into Iranian territory on MANY occasion.
The last time the British were captured, they made a gaurantee never to cross over again.

I think what Iran did was justified, if they were indeed in iranian waters.

If an iranian navy vessel had of crossed into Iraqi waters, wouldnt we of detained them at the drop of a hat?

Originally posted by Cynic
Sure, if they can't hear my middle finger when it's pointed downwards, I'd be pleased to turn it up for them. Is that gesture enough?

You read my mind. I have several gestures I am willing to show Iran.

I think we are past the point where we should say, this nation shouldn't do this or this nation shouldn't have done that...

It's time to say, WAR it self should be ILLEGAL and the world should not be divided.

United we stand divided we fall; pink floyd.