UK captives tell of ill treatment

The officer in charge Lt Carman said they were taken to a prison in Tehran where they were stripped and dressed in pyjamas.

They were kept in stone cells, sleeping on blankets and held in isolation until the last few nights and frequently interrogated.

At least they got walls.
At least they've not spent 6 years of their lives in Iran.
In fact:

The crew were told that if they did not admit they were in Iranian waters when captured that they faced seven years in prison, a press conference heard.

So that'd be 2014-2015.

Gitmo was opened in 2001, that'd be 2008 which is next year. No trial, no nothing. In fact the treatment they got these people have had for 6 years now and do we see an outcry when the U.S.A. do it from half of you? Nope, just when the bad Iranians do it.

"We had a blindfold and plastic cuffs, hands behind our backs, heads against the wall. Basically there were weapons cocking. Someone, I'm not sure who, someone said, I quote 'lads, lads I think we're going to get executed'."

(second source)

Blindfolded.
Handcuffed.
Hands behind backs.
Heads against wall.
"Guns cocking".

Honestly, you don't think we've done the same?

How many reports have you seen of:
People being raped in coalition captivity?
People being tortured?
People being killed?

Sorry, I am glad they are:
Alive.
Haven't had to go through torture.
Have not been raped.
Have not been in detention for 6 years, without trail, evidence or even knowing what they've done wrong.

Sorry but some of you people honestly need a reality check.

Originally posted by subz


Blindfolds...ruthless...

It isa not the blindfolds alone it is a combination of events Subz and you know. it.

And Here I thought you were a subject of Great Britian. Pretty bad when one does not even stick up for their very own country

Originally posted by shots

Originally posted by subz


Blindfolds...ruthless...

It isa not the blindfolds alone it is a combination of events Subz and you know. it.

And Here I thought you were a subject of Great Britian. Pretty bad when one does not even stick up for their very own country

So now no matter what our Government says and does, we should stick up for them? we should blindly follow the Governments agenda? That's laughable.

Originally posted by Odium
So now no matter what our Government says and does, we should stick up for them? we should blindly follow the Governments agenda? That's laughable.

Yes in this case. You have to take each on a case by case basis Everything in this case points towards Great Britain being in the right. Now if you consider someone who is right laughable sobeit, not my problem.

Originally posted by shots

Originally posted by Odium
So now no matter what our Government says and does, we should stick up for them? we should blindly follow the Governments agenda? That's laughable.

Yes in this case. You have to take each on a case by case basis Everything in this case points towards Great Britain being in the right. Now if you consider someone who is right laughable sobeit, not my problem.

Does it?

www.deccanherald.com...

We've abused people in the passed. Until we stop doing it, we don't have a moral leg to stand on. (Our Government.)

Originally posted by shots
It isa not the blindfolds alone it is a combination of events Subz and you know. it.

Care to elaborate then on the other "ruthless" treatment you think they received?

Originally posted by shots
And Here I thought you were a subject of Great Britian. Pretty bad when one does not even stick up for their very own country

I don't derive my self image from my country so I don't feel an automatic need to defend her. Britannia is a big ol' girl, she can look after herself without me whinging like an old washer woman because some of our Royal Marines were caught and blind folded

Originally posted by subz
Care to elaborate then on the other "ruthless" treatment you think they received?

No not really you have had ten pages posted in this threas with more then one link that covered the subject. If you did not read and understand the articles that is really not my problem.

Now go to page one start there and I believe another good link is on page 5.



[edit on 4/8/2007 by shots]

Originally posted by shots
No not really you have had ten pages posted in this threas with more then one link that covered the subject. If you did not read and understand the articles that is really not my problem.

Translation: I know I over did it with the "ruthless" line but goshdarnit those Iranians are truly evil.

Detained, blindfolded, separated, questioned, made to think their safety was in danger (as opposed to actually in danger like in Gitmo)....ruthless.

No not at all your translaslation is once again all wrong. I know what you are once again trying to do Subz, well this fish is not biting. Have a nice day

Originally posted by shots
No not at all your translaslation is once again all wrong. I know what you are once again trying to do Subz, well this fish is not biting. Have a nice day

What part did I get wrong? Did I not highlight your gross over exaggeration with the "ruthless" comment? Did I not draw attention to your blatant anti-Iranian history? Is it because I forget to add an annoyingly big bunch of emoticons?

Or do you flat out refuse to talk about the issue you raised in your very own thread because you know you're simply trying to make a story out of nothing? After all it truly is hard to pull the equivalent of "do as we say and not as we do", with respects to detainee treatment, and keep a straight face when so many intelligent people are here to watch you drown in your own shameless hypocrisy.

to all their admirers of Irans treatment of the captives. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE research the dozens of shocking human rights violations that occur in civilian Iranian prisons, and then reconsider.

Comparitevly speaking, yes the captives were on a holiday compared to civilians in Iran and members of opposition movements, but that is what makes is so sickening. It was a PR stunt, why can't you see that? Why has no-one on here, who defends Iran, even commented on the forced letters, the forced confessions, the illegal detainment, the TV cameras and flags that suddenly appeared on the British ships just minutes after the capture.

With regards to the alleged treatment of the Iranians by the US. That diplomat was arrested by the Iraqi police, and he wasn't on consulate territory. He was almost certainly in Iran, and that is mounting evidence that Iran is using is diplomatic influence to sneak in intelligence operatives. Afterall, that is the main use of embassies. Throughout the years, you can be assured that every embassy in the world was a center of espionage; a drop off point, a safe house etc. How conveniet it is that, as soon as the Iranians release the Brits, with suits and goodie bags in hand, an Iranian is released and screams to high heavens of torture.

I can't believe how people are trying to show Iran is a positive light by using the alleged torture at Gitmo. Iran has a worse track record that even the Americans with regards to the conditions that prisoners (guilty or innocent) face daily.

Open your eyes.

[edit on 8-4-2007 by Peyres]

The personal bickering and off topic posts will cease now.

Thank you.

Now, back on topic.

On a note about the guns cocking, one of the marines said on Sky News, something to the effect of: "In my honest opinion it was peoples imaginations running away with themselves, as it was a stressfull situation" and later "I at no point thought that I was going to die".

Just thought that needed to be added.

[edit on 8-4-2007 by Xeros]

Originally posted by Peyres
to all their admirers of Irans treatment of the captives. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE research the dozens of shocking human rights violations that occur in civilian Iranian prisons, and then reconsider.

Are they dead?
No

Are we at war with Iran?
No.

Thus this situation is good not bad. Unless of course more people are pushing for that war with Iran. We need those innocent people and servicemen and women dead now don't we.

Originally posted by Peyres
Comparitevly speaking, yes the captives were on a holiday compared to civilians in Iran and members of opposition movements, but that is what makes is so sickening. It was a PR stunt, why can't you see that? Why has no-one on here, who defends Iran, even commented on the forced letters, the forced confessions, the illegal detainment, the TV cameras and flags that suddenly appeared on the British ships just minutes after the capture.

Well the main argument in this debate is whether the sailors were really subjected to 'ill-treatment.

True, what the Iranians did to them was wrong, but in my opinion it could have been a lot worse. When I read the title of this topic I imagined to hear of them being tortured or beaten. Writing a fake confession wasn't exactly that hard for them, being tortured would have been. They got off easy IMO.

But that's all it comes down to, opinion.

[edit on 8/4/2007 by malganis]

Originally posted by Xeros
On a note about the guns cocking, one of the marines said on Sky News, something to the effect of: "In my honest opinion it was peoples imaginations running away with themselves, as it was a stressfull situation" and later "I at no point thought that I was going to die".

There were other reports that stated similar accounts however in no way did they imply it was imaginary as you contend.



Both accounts above sure do not sound like exaggeration to me :shk:

Seems the MoD, has given permission for the 15 sailors/marines to sell their stories to newspapers etc, The female sailor its been said she recived a 6 figure sum for her story.....

Some politicians are calling it a disgrace, while others are under exceptional curcimstances they should be allowed to tell their stories...

Source

The Ministry of Defence's decision to allow Royal Navy personnel held captive by Iran to sell their stories has sparked anger and unease.

Is this a good thing them being allowed to sell their stories?

Or is this propoganda at its best|??

Originally posted by spencerjohnstone
Some politicians are calling it a disgrace, while others are under exceptional curcimstances they should be allowed to tell their stories...

I have a felling there are things they want everyone to know but they do not want it to appear the government influenced them in any way.

Who knows we may find out much more then they already have told us. Only those affected are in a situation to tell the real truth and what better way then allowing them to sell their stories. I have to admit though I am not to fond of that idea.

I have a feeling there are things they want everyone to know but they do not want it to appear the government influenced them in any way.

Yeah only thing is the MoD is controlling anything that the sailors say to the media...

They are reviewing what the Sailors say before they are allowed to speak to the press, plus they will get money for doing so.....

Some are saying the reasons why they are letting them talk in the first place, is for propoganda reasons, Will just have to wait and see whatcome out off it all.

So Iran aren't allowed to show videos of them to show that they're alive and well... but as soon as they get home the MoD puts them all over the media anyway?