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Originally posted by tomra
Norio, thank you for the highly interesting report! So nice to see some new information coming up on the table within the topic.
If i may ask one question...does the people of Dulce in some way profit on the secret underground base rumor/stories? Kinda like tourist souvenirs/hotels/maps/alien characters etc?
Originally posted by whiterabbit
I'm not trying to be a smartass or anything, but...
How come you didn't actually look for the base while you were there?
Originally posted by j_kalin
Dear Norio,
I find this story interesting; I wonder if you could answer a few basic questions. Did you photograph the spot where the flying craft entered the cliff or look at it to see if it is a camouflaged door? Could you post the pictures if you did? Where is the dirt from the excavation of this base? Or the air ducts, sewage drainage, trucks entering/exiting, where do they get their fresh water? Where are the workers that support this base of 18,000+ analogous to those that are seen entering/leaving area-51? If they use the alleged underground trams, where is the electricity drawn from to run them? If the indians were celebrating on the mesa, didn't they have at least one cell phone or camera among them to take a picture of a huge flying triangle? On multiple occasions? Can you get and post the photos? The ownership of the new buildings is easy to find out at the city hall; it would be an easy investigation to "follow the money." On the post of the satellite pictures of the mesa, there are several buildings noted; who lives in them or what are they?
Thanks
Originally posted by sip
What I find quite strange from the Dulce mystery is that out of all the claims of UFO's, cattle mutilations and other oddities spotted there has been little if not no pictures provided whatsoever. Nobody has ever taken a photo of these objects in the Dulce area. Surely somebody must have been in the right place at the right time. Not even those 50-75 people enjoying the feast? Surely someone must have been carrying a camera to remember this occasion?
sip
Originally posted by Realtruth
Norio,
What landmarks, magnetic fields, or anything else you can think of in Dulce are similar to other areas of high UFO sightings?
Have you been able to any type of cross-referencing at all?
Thanks,
RT
Since 1969, PEABODY coal has been operating the largest strip-mine in the United States in a place called Dzil ijiin, or Black Mesa, in northeastern Arizona. Since 1975, over 14,000 indigenous people, mostly Navajo, have been forcibly relocated from the lands surrounding this mine, which are full of high quality coal not yet excavated. The people of Black Mesa who have refused to relinquish their ancestral homeland are considered trespassers in their own homes under federal law. They are subject to ongoing harassment and the threat that this law will be enforced, and they will be physically removed from their homes.
www.greenanarchy.org...
Throughout the 1930's, vanadium mines became increasingly common on the Navajo reservation as steel fabrication was stepped up for the war effort. As World War II raged on in Europe and the Pacific in the early 1940's, the development of nuclear weaponry through the top secret Manhattan Project carried the awareness of the importance of uranium – and Navajo uranium mines – to the highest levels of government.
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"from twice to nearly ten times the allowable amount of radiation by today's standards. In the worst cases, they were exceeding allowable weekly doses in less than one day, and were reaching total annual doses in just a week." [Henry N. Doyle, memorandum, "Survey of Uranium Mines on Navajo Reservation, November 14-17, 1949, January 11-12, 1950].
www.dinecare.org...
Some of these same communities are now confronted with proposed new uranium solution mining that threatens the only source of drinking water for 10,000 to 15,000 people living in the Eastern Navajo Agency in northwestern New Mexico.
www.sric.org...
Originally posted by Norio Hayakawa
Originally posted by tomra
Norio, thank you for the highly interesting report! So nice to see some new information coming up on the table within the topic.
If i may ask one question...does the people of Dulce in some way profit on the secret underground base rumor/stories? Kinda like tourist souvenirs/hotels/maps/alien characters etc?
Thanks, Tomra.
Believe it or not, there is only one item that sell at the tiny gift shop at Dulce's Best Western Inn, and that is a T-shirt that says: "I got prodded...(and has a drawing of an "alien") and at the bottom, it says: Archuleta Mesa, Dulce, New Mexico.
That is the only souvenir item that has anything to do with the alleged base.
I am amazed that a town such as Dulce, worldly known as a town long associated with alleged "underground base" does not even have one gift shop in town with an "underground base" theme.
It's such a contrast with the community of Rachel in Nevada where souvenirs on Area 51 are everywhere.
Perhaps in the near future, maybe some clever entrepreneur might show up and start some Dulce base gift shops!! LOL
And even start giving tours to the Archuleta Mesa, etc. LOL
Originally posted by j_kalin
Where is the dirt from the excavation of this base?
Thanks
Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Props to your visiting there for your research. I only wish I had the means to travel there for mine.
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Thanks for your very interesting items you mentioned regarding the government's past use of Indian reservations for certain projects.
Perhaps the following item (which I recently posted elsewhere on ATS)may not have much direct relation to what you were talking about, but I just thought that you might find it interesting also:
WAS DULCE, NEW MEXICO A NUCLEAR WASTE DUMPING GROUND?
www.hometown.aol.com...