Masonry and Communist Dictatorships

Originally posted by iori_komei
if the government officials are telling the truth,

I laughed so hard that a little bit of wee came out...

The Chinese "Communist" Party is one of the most deceptive, oppressive, and corrupt regimes on the planet, unfortunately.

(Oppressive in terms of scale, that is. Certainly, there are more violent and restrictive regimes around)

I opened a Company recently in China, with support from the central Chinese government. Have been here for slightly more than 3 years now.

please enlighten me as to how oppressive China is..? please tell my 11 employees how terrible life is for them under the reign of their oppressive leaders?

i am quite interested how people that have never visited, lived, experienced life in China are able to develop these fantasies of how life is in another country?

Try googling Falun Gong, Tibet, or the Tiananmen square massacre.

While you're at it, check out their oppression of the Uyghurs, and Amnesty International's accounts of their record of summary (political) executions.

Not to mention the organ scams that go on. People get their organs taken out when they are still alive. I wonder if the Chinese are interested in implantable RFID chips aswell.

Secondly and most importanty China and the US will be at war with one another sooner or later. The world can't house one superpower and a rising superpower. Not enough oil to go around and China owns lots of it in the Middle East and Venezuala. Both on the chopping block militarily.

China is definately one of the most corrupt countries of all time. I can only wonder how masonry plays a role in the corruption of it's political and business leaders.

[edit on 2-4-2007 by Jotfish]

It doesn't play ANY role. Freemasonry is outlawed in China.

this is all laughable.

China is Corrupt..? Halliburton alone overshadows anything done in China. Organ donors..? now people are whining about fantasized organ removals....where were you when US medical establishment was buying south american organs courtesy of the chilean and argentine governments...?

understand your own history first.

I'm an Aussie, and I don't know much about this organ-thievery business, but anyway... please do check out the issues I posted above if you're in any doubt about the malevolent nature of the CCP.

Us, "civilised" countries prefer to leaves things to the last minute. I'd say, even now we reduce China's Military power, so it'd take them a few more years (maybe a decade) to rebuild, but no.... we'll wait until they get an army of 200 million, and they throw everything we have against them..... and lose.

Originally posted by Jotfish
To my surprise I found out dictatorial communist countries like Cuba and China are allowed to partake in Masonry.

Why does the HQ of Masonry allow this to happen? China and Cuba are communist countries and are still technically enemies. China's military is reaching scarey proportions and it's obvious that it isn't going to be used for self defence. it's military is for outward projection.

This has to be the most ridiculous post Ive read today, and believe me, Ive read some seriously STOOPID posts today.

Because some folks have the misfortune to live in cesspits of inhumanity, they should be barred from partking in a spiritual fellowship? So basically, under your logic, every single Chinese and Cuban is a totally worthless unsalvagable commie pink tyrant lover?

Then by your logic, every Chinese and Cuban Catholic should be excommunicated because they live under the iron fist of jackasses they don't et have the means and power to resist. Every Protestant or nondenominational Christian should be cut off and considered heathens because of their nationality, and efforts should be made to help the communists erradicate what few pockets of faith they are.

Masonry doesn't judge by nationality or color, only by a person's character and belief. So, by masonic logic, it does not matter whether a man is living in naked utopia or communist hell, if a person truly wants to pursue Masonry, he should be welcomed to do so.

What i am surprised about is the fact the Commie scum have lightened up a bit and are actually allowing Masons to live, as opposed to the traditional Commie route of rounding them up and exterminating them as potential enemies of Glorious Marxism or whatever label. Maybe China is waking up to the 21st centurt bit by agaonizing bit.

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

Originally posted by Jotfish
To my surprise I found out dictatorial communist countries like Cuba and China are allowed to partake in Masonry.

Why does the HQ of Masonry allow this to happen? China and Cuba are communist countries and are still technically enemies. China's military is reaching scarey proportions and it's obvious that it isn't going to be used for self defence. it's military is for outward projection.

This has to be the most ridiculous post Ive read today, and believe me, Ive read some seriously STOOPID posts today.

Because some folks have the misfortune to live in cesspits of inhumanity, they should be barred from partking in a spiritual fellowship? So basically, under your logic, every single Chinese and Cuban is a totally worthless unsalvagable commie pink tyrant lover?

Communism was designed by some Freemasons, look up the symbolism behind Red Square.

also check out Tiananmen Square.

Originally posted by el fuego


this is all laughable.

China is Corrupt..?

Yes.

The Chinese government, like Marxism, wants to destroy all spiritual values and sink humanity deeper into materialism.

Communism(which is not true Socialism) is no better than capitalism(they're both destructive).


China violently took over the most Spiritual and Civilized Country left in the world(Tibet); in order to "civilize" them.

And you say they are not corrupt?

Source: The Solar Bodies

..."The entire Earth is filled with armies and wars; rumors of wars are heard everywhere.

The present chaos is awful; nonetheless, the tyrants, while seated on their blasphemous thrones, uselessly intend to establish a "New Order" based upon blood and drugs.

Paris, as a Great Harlot, continues wallowing in its filthy bed of pleasures.

London has become a new Sodom; it even intends to establish the legal bond of matrimony between homosexuals.

The United States of America has fallen into a collective madness, because they have not only destroyed other countries, but moreover, they are also destroying their own.


China, the venerable China of Confucius and Lao-Tse, has fallen as a prostitute in the arms of Marxism-Leninism. China has imported a corrupted doctrine from the Western world; nonetheless, they have declared themselves "enemies of the West"?


The Third World War is inevitable because the ones who planned and performed the First and Second World Wars are already working very actively in order to make the Third World War a reality. The Third World War will be millions of times more horrible than the two former World Wars"... - Samael Aun Weor

[edit on 3-4-2007 by Tamahu]

Originally posted by Tamahu


Communism(which is not true Socialism) is no better than capitalism(they're both destructive).

Communism IS true Socialism. The real problem is that practically none of the so-called "Communists" are REALLY Communists. They've all been state capitalists masquerading as socialists.

Two perfect examples are Che Guevara and Leon Trotsky. Both of these guys committed the cardinal sin: they both actually believed in socialism and the triumph of the working class. And they both were executed.

Originally posted by Jn
Communism was designed by some Freemasons, look up the symbolism behind Red Square.

also check out Tiananmen Square.

Oh really...

Which freemasons designed communism? And perhaps you could also give some links or information regarding the symbolism behind Red Square and Tiananmen Square?

All I could find was:

WHEN the authorities in Beijing cleared Tiananmen Square of bodies and anti-government posters last june, one item of subversion could not be removed. The square retained its symbolism as the place where freedom flourished, however briefly.

Thanks!

Skadi. China and Cuba are communist countries and they are to be considered enemies of North America. China and Cuba are both in a military pact against the West now. I guess you missed the huge conference that Cuba hosted about 1-2 years ago that was created with the purpose of developing a military and geo political strategy against the States for when the US goes to pre-emptively attack Venezuala.

In case you can't tell this world is going to be at war soon enough.

Since these countries are communist it's obvious that Masonry is used in these countries to help further the corruption and immoral governments tyrannical grip on their people.

Perhaps you should become a traitor and join the Reds since you seem to love them so much.

Originally posted by Jotfish
Skadi. China and Cuba are communist countries and they are to be considered enemies of North America.

To begin with, Cuba is IN North America. And they have very productive relations with other North American countries, especially Canada.

There is no North American country that considers China an enemy.

Since these countries are communist it's obvious that Masonry is used in these countries to help further the corruption and immoral governments tyrannical grip on their people.

How is that supposed to be "obvious"?

In reality, Freemasonry is virtually ignored by the Cuban government. As mentioned several times already, there is no Freemasonry in the Peoples Republic of China with the exception of Hong Kong, where those Lodges are under jurisdiction of the United Grand Lodge of England, and the Chinese government does not interfere with them.

Perhaps you should become a traitor and join the Reds since you seem to love them so much.

Personally, I think it's probably much better to be a Red than a scum capitalist pig, but hey, that's just me.

Originally posted by Jotfish
Since these countries are communist it's obvious that Masonry is used in these countries to help further the corruption and immoral governments tyrannical grip on their people.

Obvious to who ? remember we dont all take the same meds you do. Some of us live in the realm of reality.

Originally posted by Jotfish

Since these countries are communist it's obvious that Masonry is used in these countries to help further the corruption and immoral governments tyrannical grip on their people.

Perhaps you should become a traitor and join the Reds since you seem to love them so much.

Well now I've seen it all. Truly amazing you are!!!

Originally posted by Jotfish
Skadi. China and Cuba are communist countries and they are to be considered enemies of North America.

China is? Could have fooled me. Our government is doing alot of biz with them if thats the case.

China and Cuba are both in a military pact against the West now.

Um, Cuba has been anti west for years.

I guess you missed the huge conference that Cuba hosted about 1-2 years ago that was created with the purpose of developing a military and geo political strategy against the States for when the US goes to pre-emptively attack Venezuala.

Um, no, I didn't. I am still laughing too. Cuba? if you've ever read your history, you'll remember a little thing called the Cuban Missile crisis. Yeah, once a very large Commie power called the USSR thought they were gonna set up camp off our coastline. They thought wrong. And Im pretty certain the Chinese arent that stupid.

In case you can't tell this world is going to be at war soon enough.

Its not at war already? I mean, the middle east is a happy peaceful place and several western armies are just on vacation there?

Since these countries are communist it's obvious that Masonry is used in these countries to help further the corruption and immoral governments tyrannical grip on their people.

Huh? You have lost me here. How is it obvious that the masons are doing this, when until recently, the Commies were killing Masons left and right?

Perhaps you should become a traitor and join the Reds since you seem to love them so much.

Perhaps you should lay off the hard drugs and tell me where I ever said I love the Commies, hmmmmmmmmmm?

I simply wanted to know just how and why you think simply because Masons have the misfortune of living in dictatorships, that that makes the horrible people who should be disowned. By your "brilliant" logic, Christians in dictatorships should also be disowned, as the fact that the live in totalitarian regimes must mean they are one of THEM.

I am trying to understand your logic here, but unfortunately, Im finding no logic here at all to understand.

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Only having read the jist of this everchanging topic and being foolish enough to post my opinion here on the "net". I feel you should stop reading and get out more. Beit, another country or what have you. Feel and "feal" it out naturally yourself. You might be jadded and over influenced. Question yourself. Should 51% control the other 49% ?. What is evil? An enemy? Does majority rule work in a phyciatric ward?. In my opinion, they are very warm people,. If you take the time. Besides, who would know of a secret society if was practiced right. Let alone post on the "net".