Female Captured UK sailor calls for troops out of Iraq

quote]Originally posted by markjaxson
Those people knew they were in Iranian waters.


No they weren't. Even the Iranians gave their coordinates as being well withing Iraqi waters. They later changed it when they realized that they had proven themselves wrong.

These people were illegally kidnapped from Iraqi waters. It's just that simple. Iran is wrong. Period.

Originally posted by Redfish
Anyone who suspects for a moment those sailors are not under duress is a fool.

Exactly.

Originally posted by infinite
the new statement is a pack of lies, you can tell:

You are 100% correct infinite.

UK media have confirmed that the use of English shows that it has been translated from Persian to English due to the spelling of certain words. Then the troops have been forced to copy it then read it.

Sadly, the 15 British have become unwilling puppets of the Iranian propaganda machine. I dont believe anything that comes from them while they remain in the hands of Iran. Just think about it, do you honestly believe that Faye would've openly critized the presence of the UK in Iraq if nothing happened? Ofcourse not, they would keep patrolling the area like any other day.

This is a matter of circumstances, and Iran is exploiting it.

If it wasn't clear before, it's certainly clear now that this capture of British troops by the Iranians was designed for nothing more than propaganda purposes.

The parading of those service personnel on Iranian TV and the subsequent "confessions" and three "letters from" Faye Turney, the only female member of the group, highlights perfectly why this is probably so.

All three letters can be viewed in full here

The first letter, allegedly written by Faye Turney and released on Wednesday 28th March has a number of problems with it, namely:

We were out in the boats when we were arrested by Iranian forces as we had apparently gone into Iranian waters. I wish we hadn't because then I would be home with you all right now.

Unless her parents live on the HMS Cornwall that certainly wouldn't be the case.

I want you all to know that I am well and safe. I am being well looked after, I am fed three meals a day and I'm in constant supply of fluids.

I personally find it odd that she would need to mention she has a constant supply of fluids. That and all the other assurances sound just like something her captors would expect her loved ones to want to hear (and their own people of course).

The people are friendly and hospitable, very compassionate and warm.
I have written a letter to the Iranian people to apologise for us entering into their waters.

The exact same picture her captors would want everyone else to see. We are good, you are bad.

From the second letter, dated Thursday 29th March:

Representatives of the House of Commons,

Woah! Let's stop this one right there. No British person I know has ever referred to a "Member of Parliament" as anything other than an "MP". Representative is something that quite simply does not get used over here and is a huge red flag as to who is actually dictating this letter (The third letter makes this even more clear, more later on).

The Iranian people are kind, considerate, warm, compassionate and very hospitable.
They have brought me no harm, but I have looked after me well. I have been fed, clothed and well cared for.

We are good, you are bad.

Even through our wrongdoing, they have still treated us well and humanely, which I am and always will be eternally grateful.

More of the same "look how wonderful we Iranian people are". Do they think they are getting away with it. Over here and in the US they aren't, but over in Iran they are.

I ask the representatives of the House of Commons after the government had promised that this type of incident would not happen again why have they let this occur and why has the government not been questioned over this?

How would Leading Seaman Turney know the government hasn't been questioned over this? Do they have access to satellite TV? Methinks not.

Isn't it time for us to start withdrawing our forces from Iraq and let them determine their own future.

There you go! Of course that is a question a member of the British armed forces is going to ask when put before a camera in a hostile nation whilst under arrest. British forces tend to "get on with it" where our leaders are concerned. It's not as if we don't know there are any number of hostile regions in the world we can get sent to, but hey, everyone who volunteers knows what they are letting themselves in for. There is no way she wrote that but there is every way that is an Iranian standpoint being voiced in that letter.

The third letter, released today and now it's becoming pretty obvious even to the most ardent skeptic just who is writing these letters:

To British People

See what I mean? Why don't they just write it in Farsi and be done with it?! "To British People"? FFS!

I am writing to you as a British service person who has been sent to Iraq, sacrificed due to the intervening policies of the Bush and Blair governments.

Quoth the Iranian...

The Iranian people have treated me well and have proved themselves to be caring, compassionate, hospitable and friendly. For this I am thankful.

We good, you bad.

I believe that for our countries to move forward we need to start withdrawing our forces from Iraq and leave the people of Iraq to start re-building their lives.

Quoth the Iranian. I'm pretty sure you get the point.

Perhaps the next letter will indeed be written in Farsi, they won't have to translate it for their own people in that case. She could say something along the lines of "These wonderful, compassionate, caring and warm people have taught me to speak their enchanting language in the time I have been here. I am forever indebted to them!"

Sheesh. I find it hard to comprehend that some people actually think those letters are written of her own free will. Ditto the interviewed "confessions" thus far.

As I mentioned in another thread, I find it telling that of the 15 people captured by the Iranians, only a handful have been shown on TV thus far. Turney and the others may well have no idea what has happened to the others and that alone is a very good incentive to do as you are told and not to rock the boat.

Here's hoping it will soon be resolved. I hate to see them getting away with this crap but that is what is happening so far. I realise we can't just go in there and bomb them back to the stoneage, but I'm beginning to wonder what else it would take to get them to see sense in the context of the broader international community.

It's looking more and more like that is the course the Iranian leadership have set for their people. If they don't change soon, being bombed back to the stoneage might be the only option left

Cheers,
Zep

well we should know soon if she really meant what she said since Iran said they would release her soon. If they don't hold up to their side of the bargain by not releasing her anytime soon then there is a problem.

They were in Iraqi waters, and what happens to Iran in the next few weeks will prove that.

[edit on 30-3-2007 by C21H30O2I]

Wasn't the Iranian president supposed to come to America just before this happened?
I can't find the thread where this was mentioned.
Was it cancelled? If it was, the timing is very suspect.

Originally posted by Zep Tepi

The people are friendly and hospitable, very compassionate and warm.
I have written a letter to the Iranian people to apologise for us entering into their waters.

Cheers,
Zep

Those three letters all start ,"To British People", " Representatives of the House of Commons" and "Dear Mum & Dad". Why has Iran not shown the one she supposedly wrote to the Iranian people?

Originally posted by curiousbeliever
well we should know soon if she really meant what she said since Iran said they would release her soon. If they don't hold up to their side of the bargain by not releasing her anytime soon then there is a problem.

They changed their mind on releasing her.

news.bbc.co.uk...
28th March
Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki says Ms Turney will be released within two days.

29th March
Any moves to release Leading Seaman Faye Turney are frozen - Iran blames the UK's "incorrect attitude".

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Originally posted by Flighty
Wasn't the Iranian president supposed to come to America just before this happened?
I can't find the thread where this was mentioned.
Was it cancelled? If it was, the timing is very suspect.

Yes he was supposed to visit the UN last weekend I believe. Iran claims the visas were not in order, America says the visas were fine.

www.cnn.com...
UNITED NATIONS (CNN) -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has canceled a planned visit to the United Nations, and Tehran's U.N. ambassador, Javad Zarif, on Friday blamed a delay in U.S. visas being issued to the crew of his airplane.

Ahmadinejad wanted to speak to the U.N. Security Council before a vote, scheduled for 3 p.m. ET Saturday, on sanctions against Iran.

Originally posted by markjaxson

Originally posted by noyhcat

Originally posted by markjaxson

Originally posted by noyhcat
**UPDATE**

Iran airs second sailor 'apology'
A second member of the Royal Navy crew captured in the Gulf has apologised for trespassing in Iranian waters, in a broadcast on Iranian television.
He was quoted as saying: "We entered Iranian waters without permission and were arrested by Iranian coastguards."
"I would like to apologize to the Iranian people for that."

For me anything these sailors say, while being at the hands of the Iranian government, carries absolutely no credibility.

Anyway, whoever it is has done well to apologise.

If he really really disagreed with the Iranians and truly supported his "Country" dont you think he would make a point to the Iranians?

Like say sacrifice his life for his country?

No because he knows what our country is doing and it isnt worth risking his own life for.

Its all a set up can you not see?


[edit on 30-3-2007 by markjaxson]

Mark, in which world do you live in? Don't you know what torture can do to people? You know, you sit behind the computer and go on about how these soldiers in captivity should just sacrifice their lives if they think what the UK government is doing is right? Just the possibility of execution will get most people to concur and elaborate on anything the perpetrator says, military or no. DO you want to deny this? If you don't then merely considering this fact AND that the Iranian government has done these things in the past should get you thinking...
We can debate about this the whole day but the fact remains that the captured sailors are at the hands of the Iranian government which has in the past, in an almost identical situation, tortured.

The same as you.

Yes i know what torture can do,But do these people look like they have been tortured for days on end? Sleep deprived? Bruises everywhere?

Of course not.

The woman sent a letter to her family saying she was ok.

She was allowed to do this, they are feeding them and treating them well.

The British were in the wrong,they were in Iranian seas!

And the British accepted and apologised.

Now it is time for our British Government to accept and apologise, but is this going to happen... I dont think so.

The only thing Iran wants to do is prove that our governments are wrong and evil. And keep out of other countries business.

Dont you understand?

....Tut, Tut....Markjaxson, how VERY naive you are.

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