Female Captured UK sailor calls for troops out of Iraq

Look at both the circumstances under which this confession was extracted and the people involved - including the British government. Look at the whole situation. It's almost impossible to treat this incident at face value and therefore one can only speculate as regards its outcome.

I hope that the soldiers are in good health and this situation is resolved for the safety of everyone involved.

I guess she feels more comfortable with the Iranians since they would protect her, so she can truly express her real feelings.

Originally posted by Snake64_009
How can you take the evidence produced by the MoD as being accurate? the position of the ship that the gps points to could have been moved afterwards could it not?

Actually, the Iranians gave the coordinates used by the MoD. Once the MoD showed those coordianates were in Iraq's waters, the Iranians then CHANGED the coordinates to move them into Iranian waters.

Anyone who suspects for a moment those sailors are not under duress is a fool. If everything is so peachy, why does Iran refuse to allow ANY outside contact with them. In a couple of pics, it looks like the woman has some red marks around her eyes. I feel for them. I hope they are returned safely.

If it were me, I would do whatever it took to ensure my survival.

the new statement is a pack of lies, you can tell:

we do not refer to our MP's as "representives"

we are already leaving Iraq, the plan has been agreed, so why would a British person call for it?

troops do not refer to themselves as "service person"

plus the links to Bush too

The iranians are as i feared they would,using these poor brits for their own propagandist bs.Only a bunch of thuggish cowards would do such a thing.Reminds me of the american embassy hostages being paraded out for the cameras by...oh what do ya know the iranians again!I just hope that the brits will be released soon and unharmed by these beasts.

Until China and Russia say something, the troops will stay in Iran.

This story will cool down over the weekend I feel, but sides do not want to increase the pressure anymore. Iran would be stupid to put anymore troops on TV.

OK, I'll go along with what you said. Removed ...

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Ditto.

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Originally posted by noyhcat

Iran: Captured UK sailor calls for troops out of Iraq

www.cnn.com

"Isn't it time for us to start withdrawing our forces from Iraq and let them determine their own future?" England.

I think their headline sucked it looks more like she asked a question then what they infer. In fact it is in the form of a uestion not statement which said it is time to get out.

My remarks are not aimed at the OP because it was the media that used the prase not the poster so do not take offense because none was meant and I know it was not done on purpose,

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misread the post

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I found it interesting that Faye was given "privacy"; I take that to mean she was isolated. The first letter came out after that and then we started seeing videos of the sailors together. I don't think any of them were physically harmed or blatantly threatened, but being alone, under armed guard of a hostile government, uncertain, that will put you under duress.

You can tell they were being forced to, probably at gun point.

The male sailor, looked across then into the camera. Probably to indicate he is being forced to read.

Originally posted by infinite
You can tell they were being forced to, probably at gun point.

The male sailor, looked across then into the camera. Probably to indicate he is being forced to read.

I have to agree it had to be forced.

It almost looked like he was reading from a script at one point, but I could be wrong.

I also noticed his eyes looking to his right towards the end.

the thing is there was a similar incident a few years ago which the brits admitted they were in the wrong and they apologized to the iranians for trespassing. Now you have a very similiar incident with the brits are staying put. Why would they not apologize if they were in the wrong? They have before, it shouldnt be a problem to do it again right? I mean that is if they are the ones in the wrong..

I think she is being fed propaganda. The things the iranians are missing is the fact that this is pissing people off in not just Britain but also america and elsewhere. The iranians took a risk and it looks like it wont pay off.

These captured marines and sailers wouldnt know whether they were in Iranian waters or not. This is because this is someone elses job back at the ship. They would guide the marines and sailors through GPS which is very accurate. So these sailers and marines "claiming" that they have entered Iranian waters is a bunch of BS. Blair knows it! Which is why he is staying pact. Atleast thats my conspiracy theory.

I dont think the brits are in the wrong here. I think this is Iran using the captured brits as pawns. Its time to show Iran "whos your daddy"

With regards various postings here. The ship they were searching was and still is at anchor as its engine has failed. Anchored ships can drift but probably not by as much as would be required for the search to have taken place in Iranian waters and then the next for the ship to be in Iraqi waters. The Iranians gave a set of coordinates for the incident that diagreed with the British coordinates but was still in Iraqi waters. Two days later they then gave a 2nd set of coordinates that placed the incident .5m inside Iranian waters. This is almost like the behaviour of children who get caught out.

As for the marines in general they don't contest a no-win situation, it's better to live to fight another day. It is currently 25 years since the Falklands war and at the time of the Argentine invasion there were a few marines on the Islands. They put up some resistance but surrendered before any marine was killed. They were filmed by the Argentinians on the ground handcuffed. There was some debate about whether they should have fought to the death, even in parliament. However the unit was released and rejoined their regiment. The regiment reinvaded the Falklands and those surrendered troops raised the flag over Port Stanley when the Argentinians themsleves surrendered. Retreat is a valid tactic.

EU will take action :O!

The 27 ministers voiced "unconditional support" for Britain in the dispute, in a statement agreed at a meeting in the north German port city of Bremen.

They urged "the immediate and unconditional release" of the crew.

The EU said it reserved the right to take "appropriate measures" if Iran did not comply - though the measures were not spelled out.

news.bbc.co.uk...

One thing some people seem to be forgetting is the fact that 15 troops were taken but so far only very few of them have been seen on camera.

It is quite easy to get people to say what you want them to say if you can make them think something bad will happen to their colleagues if you don't. Talking from experience, British troops are extremely loyal to their comrades and will do anything and everything in their power to prevent something bad happening to them. If that includes talking nonsense from a script that they know no one back home will believe in any case, then so be it.

This is being aired continually in Iran (as it is here in the UK) and is clearly meant for the benefit of the Iranian population. The Iranian leadership are failing their people at every single opportunity in the International community and they need this bull to distract them from the truth that they are taking their country very close to the abyss.

Whip up a frenzy and you have a population that will support you no matter what.

Cheers,
Zep

Originally posted by Zep Tepi
Whip up a frenzy and you have a population that will support you no matter what.

indeed,

think of the backing the Prime Minister has now. British people are supporting his approach and there is no calls for "don't attack Iran".