The Holy Grail

Columbus was supplied with navigational charts of the 'new world' before he left Palos, they were vouched for in the Spanish Court by John Drummond (of the Drummond Earls of Perth) aka John Affonso Escorcio, whose grandfather had travelled there in 1398.

Both Columbus and Drummond had lived on the Isle of Madeira, Drummonds father John (the Scot) had settled there in 1492 along with Columbus' Father in Law Bartholemew Perestrello. John (the Scots') aunt was Ananbella, wife of King Robert Stewart III of Scots, and his grandmother was none other than Elizabeth Sinclair, daughter of Henry Sinclair, Baron of Rosselyn, Earl of Orkney, who lead an expedition to the Americas in 1398 with Venetian sea captain Antonio Zeno.

Relic of this voyage include ; at Loiusberg there is a primitive Venetian canon recovered from the voyage, of a type quite obsolete by the time of Columbus. At Westfeild Mass. their is a grave and punched into a rock ledge, bearing the likeness of a 14th century knight with Pentland Heraldry, at Newport, RI still stands a two story medieval Scots tower.

Columbus was a Knight of Christ (Templar) and member of The Order of the Cresent, Drummond was also a blood relative of the Sinclairs (Templars) who had posession of the new 'globe of the world' which was finished in 1492 by Neuremberg cartographer Martin Behaim , precisely the year Columbus set sail...

There is a rumour goin around that the Holy Grail isn`t an object but is the blood line from the child that may have been produced after the relationship Jesus had with Mary Magdelainer.

there is also persuasive arguement that the grail is several things at the
same time, the blood line, the Magdalene herself ( the vessel that carried the blood line), documents,and who knows maybe the true resting place of The Magdalene and or Jesus.

yeah, in The DaVinci Code, it is the final resting place of Mary Magdalende.

Originally posted by Elija Black
yeah, in The DaVinci Code, it is the final resting place of Mary Magdalende.

No, according to The Da Vinci Code, Mary's coffin (Or whatever) was moved to France, to that pyramid thingie in front of Louvre.

No, according to The Da Vinci Code, Mary's coffin (Or whatever) was moved to France, to that pyramid thingie in front of Louvre.

actually acording to TDVC its implied resting place in beneath the small pyramid
inside the Louvre under the Pyramid Inversee.

In 63 A.D., Mary Magdalene died at St. Baume, aged 60. Her remains were preserved in the Abbey of Saint Maximus in the nearby village. In 1279 A.D., King Charles II of Sicily, who was also Le Compte de Provence (The Count of Provence), disinterred Mary's body. Her skull and an upper arm were removed and the body was reburied. The removed bones were set in gold and silver and preserved in a casket as holy relics in St. Maximus' Abbey, where they have remained ever since.

www.provenceweb.fr...

Shortly after its foundation in the 9th century, the Benedictine abbey of Vézelay acquired relics of St Mary Magdalene and since then it has been an important place of pilgrimage. St Bernard preached the Second Crusade there in 1146 and Richard the Lion-Hearted and Philip II Augustus met there to leave for the Third Crusade in 1190. With its sculpted capitals and portal, the Madeleine of Vézelay – a 12th-century monastic church – is a masterpiece of Burgundian Romanesque art and architecture and an official UNESCO World Heritage Site.

I have also seen references to her death and burial at Aix-in- Provence and at least one other place. as for her relics i tend to think of them the same as
all the relics found at glastenbury just in time to save them from bankruptcy.

Originally posted by Thain Esh Kelch
No, according to The Da Vinci Code, Mary's coffin (Or whatever) was moved to France, to that pyramid thingie in front of Louvre.

Thats what I was saying. I wasnt saying where is was i was saying what it was.

OH MY GOD did anyone see that "The Real DaVinci Code"? Real? Ha! I've seen more real Forgotten Realms novels!
I mean, not only were they disregarding evidence with little or no evidence to the contrary, he closed with the statement "The DaVinci Code isn't even that well written." How they can talk so much nonsense I don't know. I'm not saying that I worship the book, but lack of academic evidence is not reason for personal insults.

I for one am disgusted.

[edit on 3-2-2005 by Elija Black]

(mod edit of profanity in post)

[edit on 15-5-2006 by pantha]

Dude the Da'Vinci Code has SOLD a LOT of Copies - all sorts of people are coming out of the wood work to try & cash in - does this surprise you?

Yeah, I was thinking that actually. They knew that people would watch because of the title, regardless of the content.

I should know, I'm one of them

The Holy Grail is one of the ultimate Conspiricies.The problem is that such as this site and many people out there when there is a conspiracy there follows groups of people willing to show they are investigating when they really are only interested in making money.
To prove what the Grail is would be impossible.

umm, true, but no such thing as impossible. Anything is possible.

perhaps as is stated towars the end of TDVC finding "the Grail" is not the object or intended end. It is the search that really matters, A journey inward maybe?

Originally posted by stalkingwolf

There is a rumour goin around that the Holy Grail isn`t an object but is the blood line from the child that may have been produced after the relationship Jesus had with Mary Magdelainer.

there is also persuasive arguement that the grail is several things at the
same time, the blood line, the Magdalene herself ( the vessel that carried the blood line), documents,and who knows maybe the true resting place of The Magdalene and or Jesus.

Yes, the HBHG series of books goes into some detail about that concept. It must have been critical in the dark ages to keep such clearly heretical beliefs very well hidden from the all powerful churches prying eyes. Death was a likely result of their finding out that one was spreading such a tale. If Mary and Him had sex, and His heirs were alive and well, they were a dire threat to the very core of the churchs whole existence. When Dagobert II was erased from the books, his erasure suggested that his very life was not to be recorded or known of in the days to come. Why? Whether Jesus and Mary had kids is of no import to me relative to His message. His words still ring true to me.
I read that Noah's Ark, The Ark that baby Moses floated down the Nile in, and Mary Magdalene's womb were all considered at that time to be carrying the very essence of the religion inside them. Of course, the grail has a similar description ascribed to it. The Tomb of God is a good book to read about a mountain in France which the authors propose may hold Jesus tomb. If it does or not is not that important to me. I see the message and aspiring to emulate His life and act as compassionately as He did as the only important thing here. If he had a dozen kids, and they have descendents alive now, doesn't matter to me a bit either way. Why would it?

Dude the Da'Vinci Code has SOLD a LOT of Copies - all sorts of people are coming out of the wood work to try & cash in - does this surprise you?

It shouldn't be a surprise that there are already several books on the market dealing
with his next book which HAS NOT EVEN BEEN RELEASED YET.

Whether Jesus and Mary had kids is of no import to me relative to His message. His words still ring true to me.

Exactly it is the Message not the Man.

I see the message and aspiring to emulate His life and act as compassionately as He did as the only important thing here. If he had a dozen kids, and they have descendents alive now, doesn't matter to me a bit either way. Why would it?

It is this exact sentiment that the Church was afraid of. While it is accepted today,
as late as the 19th century in some places you could still be arrested and tried as
a heretic for voicing this belief.

It has only been the last few years that several countries have repealed their 14th and 15th century witchcraft laws.

This has no significance whatsoever to knowing any truth about Christ. It is merely a distraction with some sort of "mysterious importance" that doesn't matter. It is merely an attempt to talk about something that has no value, instead of talking about what really matters concerning Christ.

I spent a lot of time in a classroom a while back with one of the most learned experts of Grail literature, and she unequivocally stated that while the Grail originally started out as a representation of the cornucopia, it eventually became a general symbolic representation of the abandonment of pre-Christian paganism and the acceptance of Christian theology. The "Quest" is each individual's journey to reach that acceptance. A knight in service of the wounded Fisher King. How many people here have taken the time to read any actual Grail literature? Read La Mort d'Artur by Mallory in the original Old English (you'll catch on to it). It's a good exploration of the Grail legend, and not a bad story, to boot.

I believe that the grail has either been destroyed or hidden where nobody could find it because of the dark hearts of our species since we are greedy by nature if it were to be found then catastrophic things would happen torcherings robberies looting and such then the darkness of the human heart would explode and then by the greed of our own kind would eventually result in armageddon

Originally posted by dbrandt
This has no significance whatsoever to knowing any truth about Christ. It is merely a distraction with some sort of "mysterious importance" that doesn't matter. It is merely an attempt to talk about something that has no value, instead of talking about what really matters concerning Christ.

The question I have is not "did anyone hear this?" but rather, "is anyone listening?" Thanks dbrandt for getting to the heart of the matter.

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