The Holy Grail

Originally posted by GeniusSage
monty python and the holy grail = genius

AHA! I knew it, The Holy Grail "Jesus' Offspring" 'were' British!

[Edited on 29-12-2003 by Sapphire]

The holy grail is the holy bloodline of jesus.

Jesus had children to three women.

That is the sin that the elders held against him.

The reason that grail stories surfaced in 1200s is due to the Renaissance and the liberating of lost knowledge.

3 women? which 3? you mean the ones he hung out with or what? Do you have evidence of that? Just curious

[edit on 3-23-2006 by worldwatcher]

i am 80 % sure the resting place for the holy grail was glastonbury plain, Im am 50% sure someone found it and if not it is buried either beneath the chalace fountain or the caves of that one hill.It is quite possible that we have found it and are jusnt not sure i think there is one thing that people say might be the holy grail.

If a "cup" that he drank from was stored anywhere,it would have long decomposed.
Do you mean the cup that was offered to Him in which water was turned into wine? That was a family curio for a time,like a conversation piece.like Elvis used it.
If you mean the one at the Last Supper,it wasn't anything special.The supper was thrown in something like an Inn so I am told. The owners provided the food and drink but somebody,i think Thomas,paid for it.
Jesus then materialized the magic "C" Note. "If you wish payment for this.."
"That is not neccessary.."

"Da vinci code" offered some interesting points about the holy grail being mary madgelene.. I'm sure alot of you have read it.

Originally posted by IKnowNothing
wasn't it said that the holy grail was a wood bowl/drinking cup?

You are refering to the chalice of life. This is what many base their theories on what the Holy grail, taking the literal meaning. The idea of it being 'wooden' is loosely based on the idea that Jesus was a carpenter (spelling).

Apparently sections of christianity believe that Jesus Christ was actually married to Mary Magdalin (the prostitute). These two (if your research is done correctly) were actually both from royal bloodlines. They combined to create the Merovingian Bloodline, the same line which founded Paris.

The ones who protect the 'Holy Grail' are the Priory of Sion, they in turn protect the last two true bloodlines of the Merovingians (Plantards and Saint-Clair).

The Priory of Sion are said to be protecting not a literal cup of life, but the original pagan symbolic meaning of 'Holy grail'; the Holy Feminity. The pagans worshipped among other things a number of female gods who were said to be the creators. If you understand this and do further research you will see that the Holy Grail is not a cup of life, but actually the Sarcophagus (slepping) of Mary Magdalin. It is said that it is hidden in France, possibly in Paris.

Rosslyn Chapel has some interesting glyphs regarding the location and form of the Holy Grail, or cup of life.

There are numerous books that delve into the symbols of various religions. The star of david is actually two opposing triangles (one facing up - representing the sword - man, and the second faciong downwards representing the cradle of life/holy grail/womb - woman). The references to women in christian chapels, for example the ridges on the ceiling represent the entrance to the womb. The stage area is the womb and the two opposing wings at the rear are the ovaries.

Oh, man I can feel the flames already.

Originally posted by VeeTwin
book titles you may know of.

Ha read Chretien de Troyes' and other medieval authors' Knights of the round table though de Troyes covers mainly Perceval's vow

There have been thousands of stories told about the "Holy Grail". However, the most simple and boring one is probably true. Most likely, at the time of the "Last Supper", Jesus's followers probably werent too concerned with which particular cup he had drank from. They had more pressing worries. It probably wasnt until many years after Jesus's death that the "Holy Grail" was considered important. By then, it would almost certainly have been impossible to find. The real "Holy Grail" is probably some unknown cup, lost or broken long ago.

There have been thousands of stories told about the "Holy Grail". However, the most simple and boring one is probably true. Most likely, at the time of the "Last Supper", Jesus's followers probably werent too concerned with which particular cup he had drank from. They had more pressing worries. It probably wasnt until many years after Jesus's death that the "Holy Grail" was considered important. By then, it would almost certainly have been impossible to find. The real "Holy Grail" is probably some unknown cup, lost or broken long ago.

Yep, common sense tells us this much, you'd think....

As for evidence of Jesus' bloodline, look to Riennes in France, as you'll find quite a bit to support the idea that Jesus was tortured on the cross, but didn't die, and wasn't resurrected, but fled to France along with Mary of Magdelene, married, and had children. Of course, it's just one of many variations, but some of the writings found there attributed to him, are remarkably his "style"....

Originally posted by okita_san
"Da vinci code" offered some interesting points about the holy grail being mary madgelene.. I'm sure alot of you have read it.

Yes I have, and so should you all. There is a RATS thread called "location of the holy grail" and when I get enough ATS points I will have a look.

Dan Brown says that it is under the...(Elija then trails off, probably assassinated for his knowledge)

Mary Magdalin (the prostitute).

there is nothing to support this statement. there is nothing in the NT that identifies her as such. this is RCC BS that was added much later.

The regard for the feminine had/has more to do with creation than creator.
simply stated it is only the female that gives birth. it still takes male and female to create that life. Balance

Codebreaker scores success in search for the Holy Grail

I don't know if those was posted here - in a hurry so couldn't read all the posts. But apparently this guy seems to have scored what is generally accepted as a 'success' in the quest of the Holy Grail.

Interesting times indeed.

Well, a few of you touched on it, but I didn't see anything about WHY the Holy Grail may actually not be a cup but may be the bloodline of Christ. "Grail" is taken from the word "sangreal", which when split into "san greal" means Holy Grail. However, if separated like this instead: "sang real", it means Holy Blood.

Now there's a huge chunk of Christ's life that is not accounted for in the Bible, and for all we know he had a child or children during that time. There's also the theory that he didn't actually die on the cross. Historians say it was not all too uncommon for people to survive crucifixion. If he did indeed survive he was only 33 years old and had plenty of time have offspring. (Supposedly with Mary Magdelene, who is often thought to be a prostitute, although that, too, is in question.) There's a bunch of evidence to support all these theories, if you want to Google it. It's all very interesting, and it will open all kinds of doors to things like the Knights Templar and stuff.

As usual it's just a bunch of ideas supported by ultimately inconclusive evidence, though. Not much different from the Bible itself, no?

[edit on 26-11-2004 by an3rkist]

As recent scientific evidence suggest, there is a God gene which prompts us to believe in higher authority - it is not an imposition by any man whatsoever but something that is inherent in us. Something like Pavlov's theory of classical conditioning, we tend to reach for a higher faith in times of duress.

Originally posted by an3rkist
"Grail" is taken from the word "sangreal", which when split into "san greal" means Holy Grail. However, if separated like this instead: "sang real", it means Holy Blood.

I had read about this as well. It heavily implies that Jesus' bloodline is the Holy grail.

As usual it's just a bunch of ideas supported by ultimately inconclusive evidence, though. Not much different from the Bible itself, no?

Good call.

[edit on 26-11-2004 by Elija Black]

Originally posted by Elija Black

Originally posted by an3rkist
"Grail" is taken from the word "sangreal", which when split into "san greal" means Holy Grail. However, if separated like this instead: "sang real", it means Holy Blood.

I had read about this as well. It heavily implies that Jesus' bloodline is the Holy grail.

Or, it is simply a reference to what was in the cup at the last supper. As in, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you."

I don't think it can heavily imply anything beyond that.

I don't even think I believe that Christ was the Son of God or the Saviour of mankind or any of that, so I'm not sure why I pay so much attention to what the Holy Grail is, when whether it's a descendant of Christ or some grubby old cup he drank out of I really don't care!

Hmm... Interesting - I think that we are onto something here!!!

Well besides the Possibility of there being an actual Bloodline of Descendants from the Children of Jesus & Mary Magdalene - I am also thinking about the "Church" ITSELF. What is really supposed to happen when we take part in the Consumption of the
"Body of Christ" during Mass in "Church"? Could it be that we become "Christ-ians" that we ALL symbolically become "Christ's Children"?

Quote: "connects the grail to the GREAT WORK of the Alchemists".

Wow another fascinating point - looks like you can indeed take it to another level!!!
I think I know what the Holy Grail is - but I am not going to give it away - the Mystery is what makes it Cool!!!

[edit on 27-11-2004 by Seraphim_Serpente]

Yes, thats the whole point. Can't quite remember who said it, or what the exact words were, but it was something like "finding the holy grail is not as nearly important as the jouney doing so"