Iran To Torture British Marines?

"Example set by the West on treatment of foreign detainees does not bode well for diplomacy"

Fifteen British soldiers currently undergoing interrogation after being seized by Iran’s Revolutionary Guards off the coast of Iraq for entering Iranian waters are under serious threat of torture if the West's treatment of suspected foreign enemies is anything to go by.

The Iranian foreign minister has said the issue is "being considered legally" and has suggested there may be charges.

Sources close to the Iranian leadership have stated: “If it is proven that they deliberately entered Iranian territory, they will be charged with espionage. If that is proven, they can expect a very serious penalty since according to Iranian law, espionage is one of the most serious offences.”

The penalty for espionage in Iran is death.

Steve Watson
Infowars.net & wire reports
Monday, March 26, 2007

Now the question is whether the Iranians will follow in the footsteps of the US of A where torture of prisoners is concerned. Tit-for-tat?

This is serious but will Britain and the US kick in the human rights angle notwithstanding those 'extraordinary renditions' and torture they've indulged in themselves?

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Well the only caveat I would add is that when "we" do it, it is called "Interrogation". C'mon man get with the program! Did the PR police not talk to you yet?

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[edit on 3/30/2007 by chissler]

This situation will be resolved soon one way or the other, either they will be released or there will be a military retaliation for the holding of the marines.

The only quandry I see is which boots do I put on, will regular boots suffice or should I go with hipwaders, is this one going to get that deep?

Yeah well the brits were arrested because they were in violation of the Iranian waters - or in the contested area purposefully. Thus, we intentionally used this as a ploy to provoke this exact situation.

But if this goes down it will be the beginning of the end - many eyes are watching this one and this will be the straw that breaks the "horse's" back. The military chain of command will find some surprises waiting for them in the ranks.

Originally posted by JacKatMtn
This situation will be resolved soon one way or the other, either they will be released or there will be a military retaliation for the holding of the marines.

The only quandry I see is which boots do I put on, will regular boots suffice or should I go with hipwaders, is this one going to get that deep?

This will be opver soon. A resolution will be passed at the UN demanding the soldiers release and it will happen. As soon as Iran feels pressure from countries other than the US and GB, they will release them. All Russia and China have to do is apply a little 'pressure' along with the other members of the security council.

I think Iran is Crazy if they try to provoke a British/US Military responce over this. And news of torture or suspected torturing by Iran would deffinately allow the US And Britian to use some nasty plans and tactics theyve drawn up for just such an ocasiion. Ole Dubya has got to be just extatic over this newest step to war with Iran.
I hope Iran shows the fortitude of a wise leadership and fair government and allows these soldiers to be reunited in a timely manner and without any harm. Boy would that shut the US war engine off for a while.
Who knows their could be SAR and Seals boots allready in place for a take down of sorts.

Originally posted by VType
I I hope Iran shows the fortitude of a wise leadership and fair government and allows

LOL wise and fair leadership from Iran? Surely you jest?

What is that old sayin? Do unto other as they have done unto you! The United States can torture POW to get info, but no other country can. Double Standered sounds like to me!

Originally posted by VType
I hope Iran shows the fortitude of a wise leadership and fair government and allows these soldiers to be reunited in a timely manner and without any harm. Boy would that shut the US war engine off for a while.
Who knows their could be SAR and Seals boots allready in place for a take down of sorts.

That is not likely to happen, Iran wants to slug it out with the United States as badly as the U.S. wants to with Iran. If those sailors are tortured, they would have given a reason for the US/GB to beat the crap out of them.

I wouldnt doubt that there isnt already special ops already on the ground in Iran.

For God's sake people. It does NOT matter whether the Brits were in Iranian waters or not. That sort of thing happens all the time. The Iranians are obliged by international convention to:

1) Make known to the interlopers that they are in Iranian waters

2) Escort them into international waters

3) Lodge a complaint with the interlopers' government

The Iranians say the Brits entered their waters six times yet they lodged no complaints no did they confront the Brits with these alleged incursions. Instead they:

1) Took the Brits into custody

2) Refused consular access to them

3) Paraded them in the media

4) Coerced statements from them

No matter who may or may not be spoiling for a fight, what the Iranians did WAS illegal, provocative and entirely unnecessary. The UK isn't internationally blameless and most certaqinly either is the USA. That has nothing to do with this incident. It's not like the Iranian's discovered a British submarine patrolling their waters. This was a UN mandated merchant ship inspection the likes of which have been going on weekly for many, many months. All the Iranian apologists need to open their eyes. Again, no one is balmeless in today's world activities but this is pretty cut-and-dry:

The Iranian's initial and continued actions are out-of-scale with the alleged event.

Originally posted by jtma508
The Iranians are obliged by international convention to:

1) Make known to the interlopers that they are in Iranian waters

2) Escort them into international waters

3) Lodge a complaint with the interlopers' government

I've heard this before. The bad guys have to obey international laws while the good guys can do what they want with the world. Guantanamo Bay and Lebanon sound familiar?

Originally posted by Mdv2


I've heard this before. The bad guys have to obey international laws while the good guys can do what they want with the world. Guantanamo Bay and Lebanon sound familiar?

I think it was the opposite.

1. Good guys must obey international law as the media has put out.

2. Bad guys are not to obey international law as the media has pointed out.

The way the media puts it out, they expect terrorists to do exactly what its natural to do, go kill kids and take hostages, either in schools or on planes.

They arent POW's, the last i checked the British and Iran arent at war.
That would make them hostages.

Originally posted by goddogo1
What is that old sayin? Do unto other as they have done unto you! The United States can torture POW to get info, but no other country can. Double Standered sounds like to me!

Originally posted by Mdv2
I've heard this before. The bad guys have to obey international laws while the good guys can do what they want with the world. Guantanamo Bay and Lebanon sound familiar?

Ugh... notice I said international convention. Had I meant law I would have written L - A - W. You're attempting to obfuscate the discussion by piling-on all the perceived western (and apparently Isareali) wrongs.

Let me dumb this down for you. Let's say you have a neighbor with a dog that gets out and bothers your prized guinea pigs. How do you handle it? Capture the dog and threaten to torture it or complain to the neighbors and tell them to control their dog? And if they ignore you do you call the police and file a complaint? Why not just shoot the dog?

The moral of the story is this: If Iran truly wants to be seen as a world power and have major influence in the ME they need to act responsibly. These sailors/marines were doing UN sanctioned work in the same area they've been doing the same work for months. Iran's actions were unjustified and over-the-top. If they had caught a submarine in their waters or a SO team I'd have no argument with what they did. These people, however, were inspecting merchant shipments. Period.

jtman............\

you forgot to add the fact that:

THE BRITISH MARINES AND SAILORS WERE IN IRAQI TERRITORY NOT IRANIAN

Iran ahs crossed into another coutries terrotorial waters and kidnapped 15 British Sailors/Marines who were there under UN authority.

Iran even provided the same GPS coordinates as the India merchant vessel and the British. Only 2 days later they change the GPS coordinates to show that the boat was in Iranian waters.


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Excuse me Dudes, If I am honest I am a little emotional after just watching my Brothers & Sisters (I am from UK) doing those forced interviews on TV. I was against the big W's plans for Iran but now I'm thinking B2 Spirit.

I could have gone there ferretman but then you end up in the pointless round-and-round of where the border is. I believe that fact can only be important if both parties agree to where the border is. I think it's unlilkely that Iran would (alothough they clearly know where everyone else thinks it is by virtue of their quickly changing the coordinates of the event when the original set showed the Brits in Iraqi waters).

That aside, their reaction is what is at issue. Have their actions been commensurate with the nature of the alleged 'tresspass'? I maintain they have not. Once again, I believe the Iranian reaction was staged, over-the-top and intentionally provactive.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
This will be opver soon. A resolution will be passed at the UN demanding the soldiers release and it will happen. As soon as Iran feels pressure from countries other than the US and GB, they will release them. All Russia and China have to do is apply a little 'pressure' along with the other members of the security council.

Iran, to date.. have shown they will not be intimidated, not even by the gun totting world superpowers.

They have already denounced the UN as a worthless tool of the US and Israel.

Doubtful they give two rats pennies about what the UN says.

Interrogation?

I think Iran should come out and declare

'' By moral standards exercised by the British and Americans in relations to suspected insurgents and terrorists, we will be taking the same measures and using them. After all, they deam them humane and worthy, thus we will too ''

Then, a phoney court will be setup, where no media will be allowed, the suspect will be allowed to see NO evidence, and the judge will decide their and then the sentance and punishment.. again going by US and British standards.

And if the british/Americans accuse Iran of breaking international agreements, well Iran can give them the bird.

Afterall, If we cant follow the 'humane and just' methods used by the US and British, who can we follow?

the Saudi's?

Originally posted by jtma508
For God's sake people. It does NOT matter whether the Brits were in Iranian waters or not. That sort of thing happens all the time. The Iranians are obliged by international convention to:

Problem is, this has happened MANY times before, and the British promised it would NEVER happen again.
Seems they broke that promise.

Sensational thread title. Wouldn't have looked otherwise... Physically torture the Brits? If they do... woe-be-freakin'-tide. Then I'm with Oldboy.

Vapourize their capital city and their oilfields and nuke facilities. Make it a thousand year wasteland and if anyone complains vaporize them too... I'm thinkin' it'll kick off next Friday about 2PM Tehran time. No shock n awe - just poof - 10,000,000 men women and children sent to their makers - radioactive dust in the wind.

The whole diplomacy thing doesn't appear to work very well... she's a write-off and America has all these obsolete nukes to find a use for and it might settle things down in Iraq for fear of the same outcome as their noisey neighbours. If not pull-out and whack them too.

It'd be swell if they gave 'em back like several days ago but like in '79 Iranian leadership may choose to do otherwise.