HAMAS asserts again that Islam needs to rule the world and Israel needs to be destroyed

It's classic good vs evil.

Islam is the religion of hate and ignorance (hence evil )...

Versus EVERYTHING in the West (we be da good guys ).

The West is trapped in a classical trap... restrained by its own social mores...

Pretty much all powerful, but without a will.

The Islamists pretty much have an all powerful will (or was it wishful thinking ), but without a vehicle (limited by their own extreme hatred).

Don't tell us that Islam has been 'hijacked' by fundamentalists... and your 'neighbors' are good guys. The very core of Islam is hatred and the use of force...

And as the French can testify are basically living in the Islamic future.

The ultimate solution will eventually be the banning of this idiotic cult of death (** cou Islam gh**)...

If you step enough steps out of the box and look inside... It's all according to the play book...

And KA.Ching!

too funny, this whole thread is a hoot, and a perfect example of the worlds problems

"you are bad, I am good"

Pluuuueeeezzeee!!!!!!!!!!! Humans (which I assume most of you are) are greedy lazy spiteful creatures. If you can convince someone else to give you something cause you have the word of some MYTHICAL being and then not have to work for said things, you are doing Great

religion and politics are a lot alike in this respect, they both produce NOTHING but allegedly make for "well being"

Both are a great racket if you have the stomach for it

I like to be able to sleep at nite so I try not to "impose" my will but alas I am human too and would like everyone to feel as I do, but I don't use any weapons ( mental or physical )

If you can get something for nothing, you would do it as well



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Call me a pessimist but I just don't think that peace in the mideast is going to happen.

If I lived in Isreal, I'd move. I understand matters of faith and principal but who would want to raise kids there?

If I lived in one of the 'refugee camps of the palistanians' I'd move. Why would anyone choose to stay?

Someday soon, I think that there will be mushroom clouds over the entire mideast.

well, well... what would you expect from people that are terrorized for 60 years?...

flowers?

Sadly, I don't think peace can be reached through diplomacy OR war. Until the fundamentalist ideas are outgrown and replaced with more moderate/tolerant ones, then the chaos and infighting that comes with fundamentalism (of any type!) will reign. I mean, to the fundamentalist Muslims (Wahhabists), even the other Muslims are infidels to be converted or exterminated. It's reminiscent of the bloody battles fought between the Catholics and the Protestants. I tend to think that Islam is still in its adolescence as a religion. It is now, where the Christian Church was during the Dark Ages. Sure, the Vatican condemns the past actions of the Church today, but Pope Innocent III's crusades were just as bloody, if not more so, than Islam's fundamentalistic actions today, and just as sactioned "by God."

if we really want to bring democracy to the world, we should be prepared to except the consequences

Originally posted by golemina
Islam is the religion of hate and ignorance (hence evil

)...

With statements like this, it is YOU who are hateful and ignorant.

Versus EVERYTHING in the West (we be da good guys

).

SURE!

The ultimate solution will eventually be the banning of this idiotic cult of death (** cou Islam gh**)...

Now this is a perfect example of hatred and ignorance, when somebody says, that an entire religion of a billion people is an idiotic cult of death. Congratulations, you have successfully labeled yourself a person of extreme ignorance and hatred! I strongly suggest you read your posts at least twice before posting them...

The problem isnt islam itself but the extremist that use islam for their own special agenda. And we are dealing with illiteracy on a grand scale in the Mid East. These ppls form of education is in the form of propaganda that is on their streets and televisions 24/7. These ppl are truly being brainwashed. Its safe to say not all follow along. But plenty enough do. We need to remember that we are still dealing with human beings, though primitive in their religious views and they act out as such when ever confronted with something that doesnt fit there status qou.

For the most part I feel that the world would be better off without the mid east. And to a degree islam all together. Slander me for saying that all you want, its just my opinion. But I dont think its far off from the truth. Im just the ones with the balls to say what many are thinking.

>'Now this is a perfect example of hatred and ignorance, when somebody says, that an entire religion of a billion people is an idiotic cult of death. Congratulations, you have successfully labeled yourself a person of extreme ignorance and hatred! I strongly suggest you read your posts at least twice before posting them...'

A person of 'extreme ignorance and hatred'!

I am SO offended!!! How can ANYONE possible come to those conclusions, simply based on the OBVIOUS EVIL nature of Islam and the unending stream of maimed, head-chopped bodi....

Oh wait... It's only Souljah's opinion.

Never mind... and...



>I strongly suggest you read your posts at least twice before posting them...
If an imbecile like myself spouting his version of the truth bothers you so much... might I suggest you learn how to use that there 'ignore' function.



Give it up Souljah. When you look at the FACTS (and little tidbits like **cou the Sunni/#e carnage in Iraq gh***)... Your position is untenable.

If the same standard for posting here at ATS was applied to this 'religion' it would be post banned like most any hoaxer that brings in some goofy 14 year olds oh so transparent story...

Don't you think?

golemina, islam is no worse than christianity. it's just the socioeconomic situation in the region causing this extremism. people will exploit ANYTHING for power. remember when europe was going through its dark age? the middle easy was going through a golden age at that point.

you can't take a few isolated instances of a handful of people doing really bad things and demean a whole religion. it would be one thing if 1 billion muslims were doing this, but since it's only in the THOUSANDS it isn't a reflection of the religion itself. put any religion in the place of islam and you'll get similar results

if the terrorists were christian and we were the muslims they'd just quote Luke 19:27:

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me

madness, I dont entirely agree with you. Where was the muslim condemnation of 911? How about the beheading of nick burg? the horrible slaying of those contractors in fallujah? The riots of the danish cartoons which resulted in many deaths and damage of property? It goes on and on. Not all muslims are bad ppl and I dont want to make it sound as such. There are good ppl in every race. I remember well what happened just after 911. I remember all to well all the muslims in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq etc. jumping up and down in the streets with joy, holding their rifles high, praising "Allah" that the americans had been hit and hit hard. We lost thousands of innocent ppl plus two large financial buildings, that really hurt our economy. Where were the muslim condemnations from those actions? It goes on... Thats what we here in the west see. We see islam as a religion filled with hate and violence. One that promotes terror and blood shed. These actions speak louder then the words in the koran. Its all we here in the west see. The muslim populous in the mid east needs to take a better look at themselves before they judge others actions.






Cant get yvid to work on here so heres the link.

WARNING graphic.
www.youtube.com...

Its all we see...

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Originally posted by DuncanIdahoGholem
Soulja, I think you have missread the above post. He asked you exactly what the Zionists (your term) have done? Read a bit more closely and maybe learn the language a bit better before putting someone down.

Maybe you too should learn to read before opening your cake-hole.

Note that the extremist JudahMaccabi actually responded to ANOTHER, not Souljah, making this line of yours:

"He asked you exactly what the Zionists (your term) have done?"

...misguided in its target.

Instead, I would say that YOU were attempting to put Souljah down, while appearing to criticise him for allegedly attempting to put another person down, thus making you a hypocrit.

Originally posted by golemina
It's classic good vs evil.

Islam is the religion of hate and ignorance (hence evil

)...

Versus EVERYTHING in the West (we be da good guys

).

The West is trapped in a classical trap... restrained by its own social mores...

Pretty much all powerful, but without a will.

The Islamists pretty much have an all powerful will (or was it wishful thinking

), but without a vehicle (limited by their own extreme hatred).

Don't tell us that Islam has been 'hijacked' by fundamentalists... and your 'neighbors' are good guys. The very core of Islam is hatred and the use of force...

And as the French can testify are basically living in the Islamic future.

The ultimate solution will eventually be the banning of this idiotic cult of death (** cou Islam gh**)...

If you step enough steps out of the box and look inside... It's all according to the play book...

And KA.Ching!

You're an idiot.

The very core of Islam is hatred and the use of force...

And you base that on what exactly? Studied the Koran have you? Know many Muslims do you? Now much about the sheer number of races that come under Islam? Did FauxNews teach you all you need to know about Islam?

And as the French can testify are basically living in the Islamic future.

And you base that on what exactly? Know much about France do you? Know the way the classes are divided there do you? Base your views on them having five million Muslims living there do you? Think it was an Islamic issue that caused the riots did you?

If you step enough steps out of the box and look inside... It's all according to the play book...

You seem to be in a box still.

Originally posted by semperfoo
madness, I dont entirely agree with you. Where was the muslim condemnation of 911?

you mean the massive prayer vigil for the victims that they held in the streets of tehran?

How about the beheading of nick burg? the horrible slaying of those contractors in fallujah?

do christians rise up with one voice every time a christian does something horrible?

The riots of the danish cartoons which resulted in many deaths and damage of property?

you mean those demonstrations that were almost all peaceful? oh, we didn't see those stateside, it doesn't get good rating to show peaceful demonstrations.

and many muslims condemned the violent demonstrations.

It goes on and on. Not all muslims are bad ppl and I dont want to make it sound as such. There are good ppl in every race. I remember well what happened just after 911. I remember all to well all the muslims in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq etc. jumping up and down in the streets with joy, holding their rifles high, praising "Allah" that the americans had been hit and hit hard.

all i remember was seeing massive prayer vigils in the middle east for the victims..
i guess it all depends on where you get your news from.

We lost thousands of innocent ppl plus two large financial buildings, that really hurt our economy. Where were the muslim condemnations from those actions?

ok, i'm pretty sure any reasonable person condemned the attacks by default, does every muslim need to go out of their way to tell a media outlet that it was horrible?

It goes on... Thats what we here in the west see. We see islam as a religion filled with hate and violence. One that promotes terror and blood shed. These actions speak louder then the words in the koran.

yeah, the actions we see in the news outlets
islam doesn't promote terror and bloodshed, circumstances in the area do

Its all we here in the west see. The muslim populous in the mid east needs to take a better look at themselves before they judge others actions.

that's a small group of people out of a religion that numbers at around 2 billion

Its all we see...

because they won't show us this

Madness Im not a very religious person myself. So quote Christianity all you want it, doesnt affect me either way.

I dont dispute the fact that there are ppl out there that care. Clearly there are, or they wouldnt be human. I dont recall hearing about the outraged angered muslim protest about muslim extremism that seems to be sweeping the world right now, where are you getting your news from perhaps I need to switch? Then again how do you know its not biased itself? Its a tough cookie either way if you ask me. I take it you didnt watch the youtube video I posted?..

The scary thing is that there are alot of "holy prominent leaders" such as Muqtada Al Sadr who have huge followings. And they share a very extreme view about how the world should be. There are also some prominent muslim leaders who wish peace and prosperity for all, though they seem more and more out numbered as the day goes by... They still have extreme religious beliefs. Atleast they try to keep it PG rated though. (no violence)

The thing is slavery, the KKK, and Hitler were all brought to their knees by christians along with westerners. We decided we werent going to let them be the tail that wagged the dog. I think we should see the same in the mid east.

I think its ridiculous that when the pope quotes a centuries old remark that it ruffles tail feathers in the mid east and riots soon ensue, death follows shortly after because muslims are infuriated with an ancient quote that speaks about the brutality of islam... Your trying to paint this as a black and white issue when its not. The animals that commit these atrocities claim themselves to be muslims. They do it in the name of allah. Many muslims disagree with this, which is good, but it seems that the bulk of the weight is heavily favored with the extremist. I think islam is a religion of hypocrites. Watch the video I posted to see what it is im talking about.

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Turn Iran into a giant piece of glass.

Do the world a favor and do like you said you would.

Originally posted by Royal76
Turn Iran into a giant piece of glass.

Do the world a favor and do like you said you would.

Thanks, Royal, for living down to my expectatuions on ce again.

"Kill all dem Iraners. Turn em into a glass parking lot. Just kill em, just KILLL EM!! Hyuk!"

Cool... I got a promotion.

Hey Terran Blue... I couldn't help but notice you were a little light on actually providing any information with your ad hominem attack.

THAT was very hard hitting... especially the 'non-reader' of the Koran part.



There... there... my little supporter of terrorism... Don't listen to anything this idiot, non-reader of the Koran. He's just a mean bully. And just doesn't understand that Allah gave us an inalienable right to blow up , head-chop and pretty much do anything we want to infidels... and Muslims... and...



>golemina, islam is no worse than christianity.

I don't think so. That's pretty much so much PC BS... in a lame attempt to RATIONALIZE behavior that we don't want to even begin to address.

Not to mention there is just a SLIGHT problem with timelines when you insist on making this specific comparison.

In the larger scope of things... Any time a rationale is put out there whose bottom line implies that some factor causes Muslims to behave so outrageously and they are somehow NOT responsible for their behavior...

Well, you just have to recognize it as an indefensible apologists viewpoint.

It's time to start calling Islam EXACTLY what it is...

A MASS MURDERING CULT OF DEATH.

Hey... Let's ask that Van Gogh guy?

Pretending otherwise... is 100% unadulterated hyprocrisy.

Just like the work product of the UN... When do we rename that 'organization' the League of Mass Murdering Nations (or LeMMoN )?

Just like the Europeans making nice with Hamas... when their charter calls for the annihilation of Israel.

It's not like it's the first time the Europeans have sold someone else down the road to advance their own interests...

Is it?