Nuclear Weapon Myth or ???

Is it possible for someone to take a secret to the grave ?

Whomever invented the bombs that the United States dropped on
Hiroshima and Nagasaki ... or where ever those places were
in Japan. What if he put another sort of 'X' Factor in that bomb to create
those sicknesses and deformations. Which created a 'MTYH' about
the radiation that is left behind by a Nuclear Bomb.

Simply to keep other people from using theirs.

Could this be possible ... I know nothing of this ...

OBVISOULY ... thanks peace

I dont quite understand what youre saying here but let me take a shot at it.
Youre saying that a nuclear weapon does NOT have radioactive properties and that something was added to the bomb to make it radioactive or to cause deformities in people?

Tom Beardon thinks that a nuclear bomb is actually triggered by energy from the sun, that they can only be detonated @ exactly 90 degrees to the sun. This would mean that a location can only be targeted twice a year and quite posibly any location below a certain parallel degree cannot have a nuke detonated on it.

Sounds like complete garbage but has anyone thought that the reason the USA wants none of these small tinpot countries to have the technology is that it weakens the fear factor of an all out war ? That the USA only really has a conventional arsenal at is disposal unless a target falls into this pinpoint solar alignment ?. Who knows but its an interesting conspiracy theory none the less and has some points to consider like why hasn't there been a Nuclear Anhilation yet ?

Assuming that Tom Bearden knows any more physics than my pet cat, even with that explanation, you could do it once a day, not once a year. The sun is directly overhead at noon once on any given day, unless you live very near the north/south pole.

Numerous experiments with radiation have shown that 1) radiation can kill in high enough doses 2) atomic bombs produce a lot of radiation Remember that many atomic bombs were exploded by the US before they dropped the pair on Japan, such as the infamous Bikini Atoll, amongst others. There are dozens of craters in Nevada, and I have seen photographs that look like the surface of the moon, that are in fact blast craters from test bombs.

It is theoretically possible that something could have been added to make the bomb produce even more radiation than it ordinarily would have, but it would still have produced a heck of a lot of radiation without any such tampering.

So, how does he handle nuclear reactors? Are there mystic limits on where they can be located? Do you see them shutting down when the sun's not overhead?

Totally nuts. You can set one off anywhere.

Yeah I am sure this would be news to all the nuclear physicists all around the world. There are certain people, that if I read anything attributed to them, I automatically disregard. Bearden is one.

Originally posted by DragonsDemesne
Assuming that Tom Bearden knows any more physics than my pet cat, even with that explanation, you could do it once a day, not once a year. The sun is directly overhead at noon once on any given day, unless you live very near the north/south pole.

Numerous experiments with radiation have shown that 1) radiation can kill in high enough doses 2) atomic bombs produce a lot of radiation Remember that many atomic bombs were exploded by the US before they dropped the pair on Japan, such as the infamous Bikini Atoll, amongst others. There are dozens of craters in Nevada, and I have seen photographs that look like the surface of the moon, that are in fact blast craters from test bombs.

It is theoretically possible that something could have been added to make the bomb produce even more radiation than it ordinarily would have, but it would still have produced a heck of a lot of radiation without any such tampering.

While I agree with you regarding the idea that nuclear weapons can only detonate "at 90 degrees" to the sun, I have to point out for the sake of accuracy that there was exactly *one* nuclear detonation before the drop over Hiroshima. It was code-named Trinity, and it took place on 16 July 1945 at Alamagordo, New Mexico. The 'infamous Bikini Atoll' test was more correctly known as "Operation Crossroads". Crossroads Able was detonated on 1 July 1946, and Crossroads Baker on 25 July 1946...both well after the end of World War II.

As for the idea of 'salting' the devices used on Japan, it's not likely...for one, the effects of radiation weren't well understood at the time, and for another, the engineers were far too worried about getting a successful initiation to worry about additional bells and whistles like enhanced radiation output.

Originally posted by Tom Bedlam
So, how does he handle nuclear reactors?
...
Do you see them shutting down when the sun's not overhead?

Totally nuts. You can set one off anywhere.

Exactly, with regards to the 90 degrees to the sun reference.

"Sir, we have 6 ICBMS @ 30 minutes out. Shouldn't we launch a counter strike?"

"Nah, it's only 10:30, gotta time our response for high noon."

As for the actual topic,
Radiation kills and is known to cause such after effects, especially in high doses. The bombs dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima generated quite a bit of radiation.

As previously mentioned, I'd have to doubt there was any consideration given to salting, etc. They were just looking to get the biggest bang for their buck, per se.

[edit on 19-3-2007 by 12m8keall2c]

Originally posted by DragonsDemesne
Assuming that Tom Bearden knows any more physics than my pet cat, even with that explanation, you could do it once a day, not once a year. The sun is directly overhead at noon once on any given day, unless you live very near the north/south pole.

Whilst I disagree with the premise of the thread for already stated reasons, I have to point out that the only place on the planet where you will get the sun directly overhead, every day of the year is the equator. I don't know where you live, but here in the UK the sun is never directly overhead.

Having said that, if you did have to angle your nuke 90 deg to the sun to detonate, surely you could just turn it?

Stormhammer: oops, little history mistake on my part. They did test nuclear weapons before Hiroshima/Nagasaki, just not at Bikini Atoll.

stumason: Hmm, I'd have to think about that. It seems like the sun gets directly overhead, but if I checked closely, it would probably not be a 90 degree angle.

I wonder what possible pseudoscience Mr. Bearden uses to explain away nukes going off at 90 degree angles to the sun...

This kind of stuff shouldnt even be on ATS. I thought we were here to deny ignorance, not perpetuate it. :shk:

how does a nuclear detonation have anything to do with the way the sun reflects on the surface of the planet?

Do we really have to break down the physics involved in nuclear fission? I mean, come on! Pick up a damn physics text book and READ!

Radiation is around you everyday, just in different light spectrums. Most radiation isnt harmful to people. Only highly energetic particles are harmful to people like X-rays, gamma rays, some ultra violet rays.

Anyway, this kind of stuff shouldnt be perpetuated among educated people, it makes ATS look bad.

I read many articles about the Nuclear Bmomb and that is why I came up with this because of the Media ... And the propoanda that made it almost seem as if this bomb did not work we would be in a world of trouble. Maybe that was a cover up because they knew they would be in a world of trouble either way ... Especially if it did work .. Maybe through in some other "CHEMICALS" in this bomb to make it appear that the "NUCLEAR BOMB" was creating on goign problems through the years with Lingering Radiation which was really in fact .. Lingering ... Chemicals ??? or what not ?? Making Birth Defects and what not ..

Originally posted by Brother Stormhammer

Originally posted by DragonsDemesne
Assuming that Tom Bearden knows any more physics than my pet cat, even with that explanation, you could do it once a day, not once a year. The sun is directly overhead at noon once on any given day, unless you live very near the north/south pole.

Numerous experiments with radiation have shown that 1) radiation can kill in high enough doses 2) atomic bombs produce a lot of radiation Remember that many atomic bombs were exploded by the US before they dropped the pair on Japan, such as the infamous Bikini Atoll, amongst others. There are dozens of craters in Nevada, and I have seen photographs that look like the surface of the moon, that are in fact blast craters from test bombs.

It is theoretically possible that something could have been added to make the bomb produce even more radiation than it ordinarily would have, but it would still have produced a heck of a lot of radiation without any such tampering.

While I agree with you regarding the idea that nuclear weapons can only detonate "at 90 degrees" to the sun, I have to point out for the sake of accuracy that there was exactly *one* nuclear detonation before the drop over Hiroshima. It was code-named Trinity, and it took place on 16 July 1945 at Alamagordo, New Mexico. The 'infamous Bikini Atoll' test was more correctly known as "Operation Crossroads". Crossroads Able was detonated on 1 July 1946, and Crossroads Baker on 25 July 1946...both well after the end of World War II.

As for the idea of 'salting' the devices used on Japan, it's not likely...for one, the effects of radiation weren't well understood at the time, and for another, the engineers were far too worried about getting a successful initiation to worry about additional bells and whistles like enhanced radiation output.

Exaclty ... this radiation is around us all day long yet never hurts any of us ... Well .. as far as we know it doesn't effect us long term affects of Telephones ... and the Radiation that comes off of them .. could possibly be what causes cancer who knows ... OH well anyways ... The point I am trying to make it 10's of years later affects of this bomb were stilll affecting people in Japan ... Why was this .... ONLY because of the BOMB ?!?!!? .... Or ????

Originally posted by XphilesPhan
This kind of stuff shouldnt even be on ATS. I thought we were here to deny ignorance, not perpetuate it. :shk:

how does a nuclear detonation have anything to do with the way the sun reflects on the surface of the planet?

Do we really have to break down the physics involved in nuclear fission? I mean, come on! Pick up a damn physics text book and READ!

Radiation is around you everyday, just in different light spectrums. Most radiation isnt harmful to people. Only highly energetic particles are harmful to people like X-rays, gamma rays, some ultra violet rays.

Anyway, this kind of stuff shouldnt be perpetuated among educated people, it makes ATS look bad.

Originally posted by Deus_Brandon
Exaclty ... this radiation is around us all day long yet never hurts any of us ... Well .. as far as we know it doesn't effect us long term affects of Telephones ... and the Radiation that comes off of them .. could possibly be what causes cancer who knows ... OH well anyways ... The point I am trying to make it 10's of years later affects of this bomb were stilll affecting people in Japan ... Why was this .... ONLY because of the BOMB ?!?!!? .... Or ????

One reason you're confused is that you aren't distinguishing between the different ways the word "radiation" is used. The "radiation" from your telephone is qualitatively different than the "radiation" from a nice lump of cobalt-60, different still than that emitted by, say, plutonium or radon.

Also, on the "10's of years later" issue, you're missing some information here on "where does radiation come from" and "why does it happen". There's prompt radiation from the explosion, and an entire congeries of radioactive crap left by the bomb. You'd have left-over Uranium, uranic daughter products, high-density neutron activated isotopes from the bomb structure, low-density neutron activated crap picked up from the ground, a lot of it has short half-lifes but some of it is medium and some long. So you'll have a shifting mess of different heavy particles and photons as everything decays and sort of cooks into a low-level mess.

The site would drop rapidly in radioactivity over the first few weeks, then would continue tapering off more slowly over the next few decades, by now it's measurably over average background but not by a LOT. For example, you can go to Trinity in October and stand at Ground Zero. They don't want you eating or breathing the dust or taking off chunks of glass but other than that it's hard to even measure the residual radiation.

On Bearden's "90 degree" statement, after thinking about it a while, it's sort of like the movie "Gremlins" "don't feed them after midnight". What does that mean? It's always after SOME midnight. Is that DST? What if you change time zones?

Same with the 90 degree thing...90 degrees from what to WHAT? Can I just rotate the weapon? What's requiring the sun to be 90 degrees to something? Do nuclear reactions not occur unless the sun is shining on them? What about weapons detonated at night? Underground? Do other stars not count? Am I not always 90 degrees to SOME star? What plane is that 90 degrees measured in? This thing is all 3D after all - what about the other Cartesian planes?

I understand now ... Well alot more about it than I did before ... Why hasn't there been any deformities here in the U.S. from the test that they did here ... .



I am the dumbest person on ATS ... but enough about the 90 degree thing .... COME ON NOW ... thanks ..

Originally posted by Deus_Brandon
Why hasn't there been any deformities here in the U.S. from the test that they did here

How do you know there hasn’t?

And remember, radiation "goes away" eventually. If you were 8 miles away from the blast of an average size weapon, you may die from the exposure you receive from being outside for an hour. However, two weeks later, you should be able to work outside in that same spot for half a day with no side effects, ever.

This is over simplified and the times and distances are for demonstration purposes only.

I am the dumbest person on ATS

Na, give ATS time. We deny ignorance one newb at a time. Over time, after hundreds of posts, you will feel the ignorance drifting away from you, just in time to be enlightened before the alien takeover in 2012.

TY TY ... You actually made me feel much better ...

Originally posted by cavscout

Originally posted by Deus_Brandon
Why hasn't there been any deformities here in the U.S. from the test that they did here

How do you know there hasn’t?

And remember, radiation "goes away" eventually. If you were 8 miles away from the blast of an average size weapon, you may die from the exposure you receive from being outside for an hour. However, two weeks later, you should be able to work outside in that same spot for half a day with no side effects, ever.

This is over simplified and the times and distances are for demonstration purposes only.

I am the dumbest person on ATS

Na, give ATS time. We deny ignorance one newb at a time. Over time, after hundreds of posts, you will feel the ignorance drifting away from you, just in time to be enlightened before the alien takeover in 2012.

Sorry to detract from the subject, but XphilesPhan why shouldn't this post be discussed here, everyone I thought came here for answers and discussion !!!

If the post is not to your liking or the way you think ATS should be then don't read it, from some of the answers given to the OP I have learnt a few things here myself, not astounding things I grant you but little snippets to add to my general knowledge.

Live and let live for a change.

you guys need to check out a book called "the jesus factor" by Edwin Corley. it's an older book, but quite interesting. the premise is that nuclear weapons can not be detonated in motion, and therefore cant be dropped from a plane or fired via a missile. hence the reason world war three never happened: you'd have to plant the thing in the city you were attacking.

Originally posted by snafu7700
the premise is that nuclear weapons can not be detonated in motion,

I will look for the book, but can you elaborate on his reasoning (or lack of) for us, maybe start a thread and link to it?