Kennedy assassination -- the UFO connection

I just want to support Gottago's submission to this post. It has everything to do with this subject for the reason's I've described. Another poster made reference to Dr Greer, that's where I'm coming from too.

I have a theory that ufo disclosure would break up and decentralize this shadow government that is behind the power, and that's why they don't want to give it up.

It appears that the Kennedy assassination coupled with refusal for disclosure solidified this situation.

Thanks for getting this one started.

However, if some concerned President were somehow to come public regarding these threats without scaring the heck out of people, then it might get accomplished that way. Ya know, like Bob Lazar came out with his story and if he gets assassinated then that proves it's true....

Unfortunately, it will never happen. Presidents are preselected, either the Republican or the Democrat has to answer to higher powers if he or she is to be elected and stay in office and rule effectively. Carter is the perfect example of this. He was a wild card, a spasm of popular will that could not be controlled after Watergate, and his administration was viewed as illegitimate and thwarted from day one. They got nowhere and were continually undermined. He slunk out of office. He also wanted to push disclosure but was blocked from getting any valid info on UFOs.

I guess there could be a rogue president who prepares disclosure in secret and springs it upon the public unknown to the MIC, but that would be foolhardy in the extreme, and he or she would either become a martyr or a laughingstock in short order.

The US is in too deep in the dirty end of the ET question. Disclosure will probably come from outside the US and spill in like an overflowing dam. Personally I see an ET agenda at play in Mexico and Brazil--they are targeting these countries and it's working: Mexico has had disclosure for several years now; but they speak Spanish and we gringos can't really take them seriously.

Originally posted by Flighty
Okay something really strange just happened when I did an ancestral search on Vannavar Bush.

PLEASE READ THIS from the beginning and stay with me while I explain it.
I went to wikepia where it says that Vannevar Bush was born in Everett, Massachusettes on 11th March 1890 and died 30th June 1974. He lived till he was into his 80s. Okay, all well and good.

I then went into a geneaology site that I use often. ...familysearch dot org.
To do an ancestral search on Vannevar Bush and found his IGI file that matches that information.



Screenshot 1 of file.....(clikc pictures to make bigger. Easier to read)



On the list of names I notice another Vannavar Bush who's birth date and place match, but the death date doesn't....It says death 1949!! Are there 2 Vannavar Bush's born at the same place on the same day but died in 2 totally different years??

Screenshot 2 of file I downloaded.....



After I downloaded this file, I checked all the other entries that were there for Vannavar and I came back to the 1949 one again to make sure the birth dates absolutely matched and I got this suspension message!!

Screenshot 3.....



I've spent hours on this site before and researched hundreds of entries in one night and have never received this suspension screen. WEIRD. VERY WEIRD.

Does any one else think this is information is strange? Why is there an IGI file saying that he died in 1949 when he died in 1974? They very rarely make mistakes with this info....even on a keyboard there is a huge difference between 49 and 74. I doubt it was a typo.

( sorry this isn't exactly about the Kennedys but it's got me puzzled)

[edit on 19-3-2007 by Flighty]

It is exactly about this entire situation and a lot more. Maybe you just glimpsed in infos U shouldn't have to peek...!!!

Anyone know anything about this. As I'm concerned it might be another internet tracking NSA response...!?

I would suggest you wait a couple of days and then see if it lets you back in, and try researching the heck out of some regular non military person, and see if it happens again.

Thodeph,

But it seems the inquisitive Kennedy had to face up to the all-powerful MJ-12 group as well. This uncovered, half burnt document from the early '60s reads: "As you must know LANCER [codename for JFK] has made some inquiries regarding our activities which we cannot allow. Please submit your views no later than October."

The letter is from MJ1 to other Majestic members. MJ1 was probably the Director of Central Intelligence Allen Dulles. As you know, Dulles was fired by Kennedy in 1961, to later head the Warren investigation commission into his former bosses' assassination.

MJ12 is an incredible mystery. It's either pure disinformation or, as with almost everything in the gov't side of the ET question, disinformation with some truth, but the question is, What is the truth? I've read all the MJ-12 docs and most of them are very suspicious, and a number of researchers have devoted large parts of their careers to figuring out which if any are real documents. It's a hall of mirrors; you know you're being toyed with on one level, but on another MJ12's existence makes perfect sense. At a certain point you pull away and make a judgment call as to yes or no, otherwise it can drive you crazy.

That said, the little we know of JFK's UFO involvement--and unfortunately, like the MJ12 documents, it is all ultimately unprovable--indicates that he was pushing for disclosure. The MM angle also makes perfect sense--pillow talk and an unstable personality--it's a classic.

And as for Dulles, putting him on the Warren Commission was just a sign from the MIC of who was really in charge.

The Majestic Documents are a conundrum, i've spent alot of time looking through them, and in some ways I believe that they are real and in someways I see them as something false released to spread yet more doubt and suspicion.

I think to myself that if someting as complex as a conspiracy to cover up the existence of E.T commiting vile acts against humanity then the ones covering it up are going to be equally as complex rather than a group of people who now surface quite regularly in popular culture, Deus Ex anyone?, my personal opinion is that MJ-12 is a smokescreen of some kind used to cover the tracks of the real perpetrators.

There is no evidence for these Majestic Documents to be real and there is no evidence for them to be not, which serves only to spread doubt and at the same time hope for the truth.

The whole complexity of the situation is baffling and deeply disturbing to me.

Thats my take on things anyway

[edit on 19-3-2007 by Nightworker]

The MM letter cinches it for me, plus the folk singer who was a good friend of MM, he stated that he and all his friends knew that she didn't commit suicide, but when Dr Greer told him what he knew about it, the singer said now he knew how she died.

The MM letter came out shortly before she died, it pretty much authorizes the wiretap on her. It proves that the ufo issue was of great concern to the government and Angleton.

People that demand definitive proof will no doubt disagree with me, and I understand why. No, the letter does not say 'assasinate Monroe and Kennedy'.

But for all that's been written about these people and how they died, I think that makes the most sense than anything I've ever read.

As an aside, all those conspiracy theories may hold a grain of truth, but they all serve to confuse the issue of what really happened, and I see the same thing with all the 9/11 conspiracies out there.

c3hamby,

And add into the mix that Peter Lawford--and apparently Bobby too--had ransacked MM's residence immediately after her death. You have to assume there was quite a lot to dispose of. MM was JFK's mistress, then passed on to Bobby, and then Bobby dumped her, which fueled her threats for revenge on them.

It's all amazingly sordid on a personal level, but passion is a powerful motivator in human conduct and must go into the equation too. MM had been let onto something on the pillow that she shouldn't have known, and saw an enormous blackmail/revenge potential. But she was tragically naive to think she could get away with it--or maybe she was unconsciously courting death in her despair.

The bizarre part of this element of the JFK saga is that Jackie and Lee were doppelgangers of the Kennedy brothers--Lee was having an affair with Ari O., then Jackie took over and spent the summer of '63 on his yacht after a miscarriage while still First Lady (!), and eventually Bobby had an affair with Jackie after JFK's death. It's well-known that Onassis hated the Kennedy bros. and especially Bobby, because he mistakenly believed that as AG he had thwarted his plans for one of largest and shadiest deals. It all makes your head spin and puts Clinton's affair in some perspective.

I really believe that MM had no idea what she was getting into. I can imagine JFK telling her this stuff-and maybe even showing it to her-just to impress her, but failing to tell her the implications if she released it-her life.

You know, there is a CBS news clip where the interviewers asks Jackie if she loves her husband. She says 'oh, no', just as if it was an accepted piece of knowledge. Then she said something to the effect of, 'I guess I wasn't supposed to say that.' Has anyone ever seen that? The clip wasn't used in the originally aired interview, but it was shown at least on the late 70s on a program that aired on PBS, I think that was the first time anyone became aware of it.

What do you think of Ted Kennedy? I mean, he must know something...maybe that's why he struggles with the bottle....

As far as Clinton goes, I now believe that whole thing was character assassination designed to take the radar off ufo and other issues. I am of the opinion that Hillary won't look into it either because what Clinton found out....

[edit on 19-3-2007 by c3hamby]

Jackie was a very smart woman; I'm surprised she would have said that, but then she might have had her own motivations.

As for Ted, Chappaquiddick silenced him. He was obviously framed there; the conspiracy wasn't Ted's but the other way around. Again, get into the details of the case and it falls apart. Also, the Kennedys apparently were paid off after JFK's death, a kind of multi-million dollar consolation prize/hush money. And after seeing two of your brothers shot down in well-planned gov't executions, who wouldn't shut up to save his life?

Teddy must know it all, and obviously it must tear at his soul. Of course he'd drink carrying all those horrors inside, but he's shown amazing courage in the face of it all, and still carries on the fight as best he can.

Simply amazing. I hadn't thought of Chap. that way. That was front page news the day I was born.

Until Bush Jr came along, I've always thought of the Democrats as the bad guys and the Republicans as the good guys.

Now I think about these things in a different way.

My main influence is Dr Greer, but he doesn't stray outside of the ufo arena. Are there any books that you can suggest that maybe you have read about these things?

Well, as for Dem/GOP, the GOP has always been the party of moneyed interests and the Dems the populists. Though Truman created the national security state, the GOP basically midwifed the MIC and Dem presidents are considered interlopers, to be tolerated at best, never to be given the keys to the candy store. They're simply not to be trusted. You certainly see this with UFOs, the Dem presidents were all shut out. Ever since JFK, they've been sabotaged mercilessly. Now, I'm afraid, most Dems have simply rolled over and play along to get along.

Take a good look at the Bush family, especially GHW Bush 41. Ultimate WASP/GOP insider, father a Nazi financier, CIA agent in the 60s, Zapata oil a CIA front, from whose drilling platforms they launched the Bay of Pigs (one platform was even named Barbara, touching, really), seen in Dallas on Nov 22 1963, and who even had the balls to file an FBI report about an overheard conversation suggesting a conspiracy; head of the CIA, VP to Reagan, one of whose sons was to have lunch with David Hinckley on the day after he nearly assassinated Reagan; Skull & Bonesman, Bohemian Grove attendee, who gave the infamous "Towards a New World Order" speech to the UN exactly 11 years to the day before 9/11...Need I go on?

It's been a while since I've researched JFK, so I'll have to dig for some good material, but simply Googling his assassination will lead you to some compelling dissections of the event. There's an excellent dissection of the Zapruder fraud (kept in a vault until the early 70s, and FUBARed blatantly).

The whole Dallas connection was also no accident. At the time, Dallas was the financial center for the richest and most arch-conservative people in the US. It was also corrupt beyond your wildest imagining. HL Hunt, Murcheson, etc, and LBJ was their lapdog. Ruby was a mob rep who had carte blanche entry into the Dallas police dept... Oh, it stinks, it really stinks.

What if vannevar bush the real died in 49, and vennevar bush the alien died in 74.
I cannot imagine treating with beings who are telepahic
Whos to say the aliens havent entered into control of the whole underground govement?That is where they would be able to penetrate the deepest and quickest into the halls of power.
Mind control is real for us,how much more refined would they be at it?
Perhaps the whole joint chiefs are under the alien mind control techniques by now and worse!

Check this name out.

I did my honors thesis on the JFK Assassination: The Beginning of the Downward Spiral my final year of college in new england.

Fred Chrissman was ID'd as one of the "tramps". I could get as far as "some covert connect" but couldn't get any further than that. There were about 40+ personnel I ID'd in that area that day - he was just "another spook" to me until about 3 years ago.

THAT is when I learned of his CIA connection to MAJIC. He was also "caught" walking down the railroad tracks and AWAY FROM THE GRASSY KNOLL. If you dig REALLY deep, you can find his weapons training. I don't have ANY of this information any more.

I always thought he was just another sheepdipped SNIPER that was actually one of the THREE that MURDERED JOHN F KENNEDY and sent us into a social nosedive that perpetuates and expands itself daily even NOW.

NICE.

FRED CHRISSMAN
One of the TRAMPS.


Jack and Bobby didn't NEED the "beast". They had their own "sinning" going on.

Oh yeah... and for the DERREL SIMS PLUG OF THE DAY... may as well call it that. Everybody else does... LOL

THE KENNEDYS ARE - YEP, YOU GUESSED IT

IRISH

But being Irish or Celt has NOTHING to do with this, right? So then why is it that the CELTS get mudered in cold blood the way they did? Sure... blame on social this and that... stay RIGHT INSIDE THE BOX WHERE THE LITTLE STINKMONKIES WANT YOU.

LOL!



IRISH.


[edit on 19-3-2007 by CrimsonSaberACTUAL]

Thanks for that. Actually his name is CHRISMAN FRED LEE.

Remember also George Bush Sr said he wasn't in the CIA at that time, though documents prove he was AND in Dallas at the time.
He is even quoted somewhere during that time refering to the Kennedy assassination.

If you take a look on that namebase thingy showing the lines of connection between people, Chrisman has a direct link to John Lear Loving John's posts... that is spooky still.

Check out bottom right corner...

flice,

great graphic; do you have a link to that 'namebase thingy'? looks really interesting, thanks.

Originally posted by c3hamby
My main influence is Dr Greer, but he doesn't stray outside of the ufo arena. Are there any books that you can suggest that maybe you have read about these things?

"UFO's and the National Security State" is interesting, and I believe a companion volume is just coming or has just come out as well. The author escapes me.

"Fire in the Minds of Men" by J.F. Billington is a classic on radical thought.

Generalist books on the political parties are really too numerous to mention though. And right now I can't help thinking that the traditional political divisions have become obsolete and irrelevant due to the overwhelming preponderance of the MIC; they have devolved into something akin to sport teams, a step above (or below?) entertainment.

You can see this at play in the blogosphere; simply check out a right wing blog like RedState or Michelle Mallkin's, and a left wing one like Firedoglake or Hullabaloo. The ideologies are rigid and the response to any current event is predictable in the extreme. You come away thinking that ideology is blinkering and channeling--and at times replacing--thought.

Also maby his family knew too much, why have allmost all his relatives died, makes you wonder, its amazing the things we know but think of what we dont