Jesus = Horus?

"I guess it's easy to find error in prophecy........ when you deny the facts"

Sun matrix your the only one to deny facts. As much as im sure you believe your religion, thats cool mate, its up to you what to believe in despite however no facts are not involved. Facts show the Bible to be innacurate, simple as that, no historian or archaeologist will take the bible as a primary source yet in many cases i agree with patcular parts of the bible, but then i have a degree in theology so i am biased in many ways though mostly due to the philosphy of the rhetoric it displays, HOWEVER no matter how much you believe in something IT DOESNT MAKE IT FACT.

Originally posted by Starvald
"I guess it's easy to find error in prophecy........ when you deny the facts"

Sun matrix your the only one to deny facts. As much as im sure you believe your religion, thats cool mate, its up to you what to believe in despite however no facts are not involved. Facts show the Bible to be innacurate, simple as that, no historian or archaeologist will take the bible as a primary source yet in many cases i agree with patcular parts of the bible, but then i have a degree in theology so i am biased in many ways though mostly due to the philosphy of the rhetoric it displays, HOWEVER no matter how much you believe in something IT DOESNT MAKE IT FACT.

First, I am not a religious person. I have no use for it.
Second, archaeologist have used the Bible to locate many lost cities. The Bible has stood the test of time and prophecy. I'm not sure what you are talking about as far as historians. The Biblical history is history.

It's really just a matter of walking in truth or blindness. It's like the prophecy about Emmanuel. You can face the facts or you can choose to ignore them. I believe what I believe because of facts. I have tested the facts and cannot deny the truth.

lol what?

tell me what prophecies in the bible have actually came to pass. Please enlighten me on that cause im pretty sure myself and the majority of the world would liek to know becuase as far as history is concernd it has done no such thing. But please, deny the ignorance of decades of biblical research and tell me, what prophecy in the bible has come to pass.

Originally posted by Starvald
lol what?

tell me what prophecies in the bible have actually came to pass. Please enlighten me on that cause im pretty sure myself and the majority of the world would liek to know becuase as far as history is concernd it has done no such thing. But please, deny the ignorance of decades of biblical research and tell me, what prophecy in the bible has come to pass.

LOL what? Whose decades of Bibical research........Yours?

I suggest you look at something simple like Ezekiel 37 which accutately predicts the rebirth of Israel as a nation. How is it possible that a people is spread all over the world as predicted and 2000 years later is reformed as a nation as predicted.

We also see the same fulfulled prophecy in Isaiah 66. The prophecy was fulfilled almost 2000 years from the destruction of Israel. Israel was born in a day on May 15th 1948.

Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

www.believers.org...

If you were smart enough you could figure out that Jeremiah 50 and 51 are happening right now.

Originally posted by JackofBlades

The story of Horus-Ra was established LONG before Jesus was even thought up.

Yep, the story of Horas-Ra was established LONG before Jesus WAS BORN, DIED AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD. The story comes out of Babylon and is the story of Tammuz.

How is it possible for religions with a much earlier start than Christianity to have the same story about their Messiah?

How is it possible that this same story is all over the world in different versions. How is it possible that Horus was supposedly born on Dec 25?
Additionally, how is it possible that Krishna was also supposedly born on Dec. 25th Further, how is it possible that the rebirth of Nimrod is celebrated on Dec 25th. We know that Jesus was not born on Dec 25th and yet how is it possible that we celebrate his birth on Dec. 25th.

You will find your answer in Isaiah 14

The book Cloak of the Illuminati talks a lot about the likenesses between Jesus and Horus.

JackCash

www.religioustolerance.org...

There is a chart 1/3 way down that does a better job than I ever could answering the OP's question (before the thread was hijacked by bickering between two people)

Originally posted by Arkangel4time
www.religioustolerance.org...

There is a chart 1/3 way down that does a better job than I ever could answering the OP's question (before the thread was hijacked by bickering between two people)

Many of your similiarities have likely been added after the fact. However not all of them.

So the question becomes how can mythical Horus have the same story as real person Jesus who was not born yet.

How does mythical Horus have some of the same characteristics of real person Tammuz?

How does Osiris have similarities to Zeus. How is Hercules born of a god and mortal the same story as Jesus?

You will find the answer in 2 Peter 1:16.

2 Peter 1:16

16We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

I think I need the scales to fall off my eyes to understand how what you said explains it

The story of the false savior did not originate with the myth of Horus, it originated with Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz. The Babylonian religion was formed when Nimrod died and became Baal the sun god.

Instead of the Son of god you get the sun god. This sun god religion spread all over the world as you can see even in central America etc.
You will also find the serpent or dragon from the Mayans to the Chinese to the snake charmers of India to Egypt.

I wonder who the bringer of light is that brought these false religions to the people of the earth?

Horus and Jesus, ..

years and years have passed... and there have been only a few people through-out history that have made it into the record books as having special knowledge or enlightened mind...

and for the most part these people have been "created" from birth, chosen before conception, for the purposes of being thee individual to model human behaviour after... The particular improvements and changes to the patterning/direction of the model implanted into the new figure as the times call for.
The actual secret societies have the ultimate power, and understand wholly how the human brain functions (and doesn't function) so they have provided models and patterning techniques to advance and develop the human-race.
Although there are ultimately more secret societies than is recommended to be healthy on one planet,.. they conspire and undermine each-others efforts by implanted anchors and other subliminal disrupter stimuli hung on every street corner and in every corporate logo. It has always been a fight for your mind.
Every action and reaction is something that one learns, there is no such thing as a natural reaction unless someone has something to model after.
Not only does our body run off of linguistic programming, but our cells and organs run off of similar procedures that are equally unhealthy, like genetic problems, our DNA has the past coded into it.

These individuals, Jesus / Horus .... they are not ONE person.
They are literally the trinity.
The one who observes both GOOD and BAD counsel.
Created to be a model, to protect against the agenda of the opposing "side(s)"
So each of these individuals had to have adequate knowledge of both side(s) GOOD and BAD.
Because when being a model for anyone, you want to preemptively implant thoughts or behaviours that will stop them from reverting back, or changing to anything else.

The problem today is, we have NLP and anyone can create a system they can implement and use to control and influence others.

Today is a scary day, either NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming) is shown to the masses and people start really waking up to the techniques being used against them, or they fall into a deeper hypnotic trance and they start cutting us open and putting data-links in our noggins to upload our thought patterns to super-computers to determine how long it will take before they have slugs. I know I'm painting this to appear a certain way, and no it isn't my entire thought process on the subject nor is it entirely supported by myself. I just think that people do not understand, on a day to day basis, how much of their interactions with people are programmed and what I mean by this is. The suggestion of need in store displays and in grocery stores, the subliminal advertising (which regardless of being overtly subliminal, or having a subliminal effect on people, everything is produced to give certain feelings or to activate different centers of the brain.

We were born into a hypnotic, suggestive state, and have remained in it for our entire lives.. bouncing from one model to another, and one hypnotic suggestion to another......
The world has yet to wake up from it's eternal suggestive hypnotic trance.
and those individuals (Jesus, Horus, etc) have been our models to get closer to the day where models are no longer necessary... and patterning and re patterning is no longer required.

Originally posted by PuRe EnErGy
Horus and Jesus, ..



The problem today is, we have NLP and anyone can create a system they can implement and use to control and influence others.

Today is a scary day, either NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming) is shown to the masses and people start really waking up to the techniques being used against them, or they fall into a deeper hypnotic trance and they

start cutting us open and putting data-links in our noggins to upload our thought patterns to super-computers to determine how long it will take before they have slugs. I know I'm painting this to appear a certain way, and no it isn't my entire thought process on the subject nor is it entirely supported by myself. I just think that people do not understand, on a day to day basis, how much of their interactions with people are programmed and what I mean by this is. The suggestion of need in store displays and in grocery stores, the subliminal advertising (which regardless of being overtly subliminal, or having a subliminal effect on people, everything is produced to give certain feelings or to activate different centers of the brain.

We were born into a hypnotic, suggestive state, and have remained in it for our entire lives.. bouncing from one model to another, and one hypnotic suggestion to another......
The world has yet to wake up from it's eternal suggestive hypnotic trance.
and those individuals (Jesus, Horus, etc) have been our models to get closer to the day where models are no longer necessary... and patterning and re patterning is no longer required.

these are what is said about the "merchants" in the book of revelation which i believe are the ones that are causing the great deception...


Revelation 18:3
For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries. The kings of the earth committed adultery with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries."

Revelation 18:11
"The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes anymore—

Revelation 18:15
The merchants who sold these things and gained their wealth from her will stand far off, terrified at her torment. They will weep and mourn

Revelation 18:23
The light of a lamp will never shine in you again. The voice of bridegroom and bride will never be heard in you again. Your merchants were the world's important people. By your magic spell all the nations were led astray.


[edit on 19-3-2007 by Funkydung]