Jesus = Horus?

This is probably a stupid question but I cannot find a relevant thread on ATS.

I've heard about the similarities between Horus and Jesus and although it's interesting I recently heard somebody say that Jesus is the Hebrew translation of Horus. They are literally the same name. Meaning Horizon or something.

If that is true then it certainly makes me think that maybe Jesus didn't exist. But I need some help so is it true? Anybody have the answer I seek?

A deep and involved subject. If you do some searches on the following first... The Babylonian Gods following them through to Eqypt. Then look at the Nag Hammidi and essens then look again at Jesus and see if any dots link up.


should keep you busy for a while.


Regards

Elf

Originally posted by MischeviousElf

should keep you busy for a while.


Regards

Elf

cheers for that although I wish you'd be a little more specific, I just started reading Enuma Elish
www.sacred-texts.com...
and it's a bloody mess. what with all the dots. I fugure that Tiamat(of dungeons and dragons fame) and Apsu had it going on...what with their waters mingling etc. but then who created who is a bit of a mess.
This:
en.wikipedia.org...
is no help either. I'd love to know how that was worked out. it ives no mention of Nudimmud who is "strong".

Any pointers as to what you were saying?

Originally posted by surrender_dorothy
This is probably a stupid question but I cannot find a relevant thread on ATS.

I've heard about the similarities between Horus and Jesus and although it's interesting I recently heard somebody say that Jesus is the Hebrew translation of Horus. They are literally the same name. Meaning Horizon or something.

If that is true then it certainly makes me think that maybe Jesus didn't exist. But I need some help so is it true? Anybody have the answer I seek?

There are similiarities between Jesus and Horus. Horus is Tammuz from Babylon the false savior of mankind. As is Hercules the Greek version of the Babylonian Tammuz.................all designed to keep you from seeing the true Messiah. These religions that originated in Babylon have blinded mankind from the time of the Tower of Babel.

sun, just stop posting your ridiculous arguments. you have yet to back any of them up with any sort of credible evidence or even logic. all you say is that it is blindingly obvious and then you move on. you were given threads to prove all of your points.

now to the original posts. well, christianity would have probably taken influence from egyptian mystery cults, many of which centered around a horus figure.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
sun, just stop posting your ridiculous arguments. you have yet to back any of them up with any sort of credible evidence or even logic. all you say is that it is blindingly obvious and then you move on. you were given threads to prove all of your points.

now to the original posts. well, christianity would have probably taken influence from egyptian mystery cults, many of which centered around a horus figure.

What are you talking about..........you have yet to disprove anything that I have said. In fact didn't you agree with me with what I posted about Osiris.....which I backed up.

Why don't you try to disprove what I say.........I have given you plenty of chances to do so and you have yet to respond

Another tid bit for you. Nimrod was killed and cutup in 14 pieces all of which were retrieved except his pecker. This is the origin of the obelisk which represents a ray of the sun and also the pecker of the sun god. Osiris was also cut up with the same results in one version of the lie. In Egypt the obelisk represents the same thing. I can only lead the blind man so far.........you got to do a little groping.

sun, the burden of proof isn't on me. you're the one making a claim, putting forth a hypothesis.

prove your points in the other 2 threads that are open for just that purpose

and you're wrong about the obelisk, it doesn't represent osiris' phallus, it's actually associated more with Ra, the SUN GOD.

Jesus in hebrew, or Joshua means "saves" btw. Jesus Christ basicaly translates into the annointed one who saves. Extremely popular name in semetic languages at the time.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
sun, the burden of proof isn't on me. you're the one making a claim, putting forth a hypothesis.

prove your points in the other 2 threads that are open for just that purpose

No, I'm not putting forth a hypothesis........I'm putting forth the truth. You have made several negative comments about the Bible in this forum. You need to quit making these statements unless you can prove them. If you like I will open two threads where you can disprove the Bible. I'll make it easy, If you can find an inaccurate prophecy I will consider that sufficient.

Like I said, it's like me making the comment that man has landed on the moon which is true. Then you ask me to prove it by providing the mathematical calcultions. Don't take this as an insult because it is not, it's an example...........You don't understand 2+2 and I don't have time to try and teach the things that you can only find if YOU SEARCH.

and you're wrong about the obelisk, it doesn't represent osiris' phallus, it's actually associated more with Ra, the SUN GOD.

Actually, it originates in the Babylonian religion when Nimrod is killed and is said to become Baal and Semiramis the Queen of Babylon is said to become pregnant by the ray of the sun. Baal the sun god is nothing more than Ra the sun god. Osiris over time absorbs the functions of Ra.......There is a reason for this........just more of the proof that you can't seem to find.

As the cult spread, Osiris took over more and more of Ra’s functions. Osiris became associated again with agriculture, as was Ra before Ra became so much a puppet of politics. Osiris eventually absorbed the power of Ra over the Nile, the floods, the vegetation. This was Osiris in his role a symbol for resurrection. Just as he was the god of the afterlife, so was he the god over the regeneration of non-human life on earth.

www.touregypt.net...

I actually made a detailed post about this in another thread.

The link to my post is here

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
I will open two threads where you can disprove the Bible. I'll make it easy, If you can find an inaccurate prophecy I will consider that sufficient.

no need to open a thread, i'll do it right here

jesus took the prophecy of isaiah too far. instead of being born of a young girl he was born of a virgin, something that is actually impossible physiologically

and the messiah wasn't named emmanual, not once is he referred to as such.

Originally posted by JackofBlades
I actually made a detailed post about this in another thread.

The link to my post is here

I read your post about Horus and Jesus. Horus is the Babylonian Tammuz and Christians were well aware that these myths were in place before Jesus was born. Tammuz the false savior is Horus the false savior is Hercules the false savior all born of a mortal with a god as the father. All in place to blind the world to the truth of the Messiah.

Tammuz was a real person as is Jesus.

2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

sun, you ignored my point. i just proved something that was untrue about biblical prophecy. why have you not admitted defeat?

either jesus isn't the messiah or the book of isaiah is wrong

edit to add: i forgot to mention that jesus was also not the descendant of david as the OT messianic prophecy teaches. his foster father was supposedly descended from david (via 2 different sets of contradicting lineages. 28 generations in matthew, 41 in luke, with little to no overlap). as joseph had nothing to do in the birth of jesus, that part of the prophecy was not fulfilled.

[edit on 3/17/07 by madnessinmysoul]

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
I read your post about Horus and Jesus. Horus is the Babylonian Tammuz and Christians were well aware that these myths were in place before Jesus was born. Tammuz the false savior is Horus the false savior is Hercules the false savior all born of a mortal with a god as the father. All in place to blind the world to the truth of the Messiah.

You just repeated the same arguments early Christians did. How is it possible for religions with a much earlier start than Christianity to have the same story about their Messiah? The story of Horus-Ra was established LONG before Jesus was even thought up.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
I will open two threads where you can disprove the Bible. I'll make it easy, If you can find an inaccurate prophecy I will consider that sufficient.

no need to open a thread, i'll do it right here

jesus took the prophecy of isaiah too far. instead of being born of a young girl he was born of a virgin, something that is actually impossible physiologically

and the messiah wasn't named emmanual, not once is he referred to as such.

What r you talking about of course it called him emmanuel in the bible im not a christian but you do need to actually give facts.


Emmanual (Septuagint Emmanouel; A.V., Immanuel) signifies "God with us" (Matthew 1:23), and is the name of the child predicted in Isaias 7:14: "Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel".

theres another prophecy thats wrong then, cause they didnt call him emanuel did they. LOL.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

and the messiah wasn't named emmanual, not once is he referred to as such.

When Christmas comes and millions and millions and millions of people sing: Oh Come, Oh Come, Emmanuel maybe you will take a second to realize that...................... "They will call his name Emmanuel."

But he wasnt called emmanuel though was he as was prophicised. So that prophecy was wrong, much like every other prophecy.

Originally posted by Starvald
But he wasnt called emmanuel though was he as was prophicised. So that prophecy was wrong, much like every other prophecy.

Well, let's make an example prophecy which is made up.

I found an old basketball book from the 1950's and it said a tall dark skinned man would come and play point guard in the NBA. "And they will call his name Magic."

Now you can sit around and say "No, his name is Earvin Johnson and not Magic if you want...............That's what denial of the truth is all about. So you can stick to your BB guns, or you can accept the facts and the truth.

I guess it's easy to find error in prophecy........ when you deny the facts.

The prophecy of Isaiah calling him Emmanuel is really saying that this savior will be considered God. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God......................And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
sun, you ignored my point. i just proved something that was untrue about biblical prophecy. why have you not admitted defeat?

either jesus isn't the messiah or the book of isaiah is wrong

Jesus is called Emmanuel by millions and millions and millions as I showed in a different post. And the real point of the prophecy is that this Messiah will be considered God.

edit to add: i forgot to mention that jesus was also not the descendant of david as the OT messianic prophecy teaches. his foster father was supposedly descended from david (via 2 different sets of contradicting lineages. 28 generations in matthew, 41 in luke, with little to no overlap). as joseph had nothing to do in the birth of jesus, that part of the prophecy was not fulfilled.

You are possibly aware that the lineage in Matthew thru Joseph(the adopted father) was the line of kingship and the lineage in Luke thru Mary his mothers line was the line of priesthood. The Messiah was both king and priest.
We know that the seed line is always considered the male. But in Genesis it prophesies that the seed of the woman will crush the head of the serpent. There we get a virgin birth with God being the father, hence the Son of God.

There is absolutely no lineage problems whatsoever. You can be sure of that because the Jews are meticulous keepers of lineage because they have to be. They know that the Messiah will come thru the lineage of the House of David. If there was a lineage problem this "Jesus is the Messiah" thing would have stopped dead in it's tracks. As you can see, everything that was prophesied happened.

[edit on 18-3-2007 by Sun Matrix]