About Osama's admission on 9/11.

Remember that people compare to this tape to the supposed fake video. Well in this video, he also mentions about 9/11...ironic.

Besides the confession tape. Thought I post a few images about him. Especially the ring thing.




Isn't he(supposedly fake) suppose to look fat in the video?



The ring.

These four videos about Al Queda leadership and many of the hijackers present pretty strong evidence of their envolvement.

The premise that the "fat osama" tape is a fake is pretty much been blown to dust at this point.

www.youtube.com...
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If you watch all of those videos with the hijackers dedications/ last will and testimonies and listen to their motivation-- it becomes pretty clear Al Queda carried out 9/11

here is a Muckraker report as well:

www.muckrakerreport.com...

www.whatreallyhappened.com...
fake osama claims he had something to do with 9/11 on dec 13 2001..
fake reality or real illusion.

Originally posted by iknowyouknowiknow
www.whatreallyhappened.com...
fake osama claims he had something to do with 9/11 on dec 13 2001..
fake reality or real illusion.

Yeah, well, "skinny Osama" put out a second tape much later where he again claimed responsibility for 9/11. Very few dispute that one.

Is it fake, too?

Originally posted by iknowyouknowiknow
www.whatreallyhappened.com...
fake osama claims he had something to do with 9/11 on dec 13 2001..
fake reality or real illusion.

Source says fake Osama video released on Dec 13.

A videotape purportedly showing Osama bin Laden confessing to the 9/11 attacks was made public on December 13, 2001:

Nobody can debunk this and some members have supported this. Hmmm....truth hurts eh?



For a topic where many CTers have used this as an example of govt. conspiracy, I expected better from them.

GwionX

I have read your responses to many different topics in the 9/11 section and you are just unwilling to even discuss that there is some truth to the information presented.

you really have just bent over and taken bush ball deep






[edit on 19-3-2007 by tombangelta]

Originally posted by tombangelta

GwionX

I have read your responses to many different topics in the 9/11 section and you are just unwilling to even discuss that there is some truth to the information presented.

you really have just bent over and taken bush ball deep

Hmmm, well I don't think that assesment is exactly accurate. Here is one of my first posts in this forum...perhaps it will help you to understand my position

posted on 16-2-2007 @ 07:09 PM (ID:2960704) GwionX:


I began researching the actions of our federal government back in 1999, The focus of my investigation was the ATF seige at Mt. Carmel In Waco, Texas 1993. More specifically the ATF and FBI circumventing Posse Comitatus laws to use military force on citizens. I have written in-depth papers on this subject.

I have seen federal authorities use military tanks to gas small children and babies for 6 hours.

I have seen the propaganda machine in full force to villify a target. Heck by April 93 the public's consensus was: "Just take those crazy cult members down, and quit wasting our tax dollars" or some such sentiment.

I learned a lot about the federal government, but what I learned is not what the "9/11 conspiracy theorist" wants to hear.

You see, the END-GAME PLAN of the ATF/FBI seige on Mt. Carmel wasn't to gas babies...That was the END RESULT. The intention was to serve a warrant on an individual (David Koresh) for alleged weapons violations. Simple enough right? WRONG!

What caused this debacle wasn't some highly-efficient, future-seeing, diabolical plan; IT WAS mistake after mistake, poor planning, poor communication, poor understanding of the situation, and the inability of federal bureacracies to work together AT ALL.

I have NO reason to believe that any of these inefficencies were rectified before September 11th 2001.

To believe that the bureaucratic agencies of the CIA, FBI, NORAD, FEMA, STATE DEPT, NY Local Officials, FAA, Military Chiefs, Select Congressmen, Select Scientists, The main stream Media, the Secretary of Defenses office, Lumpy Dick, and Party Boy Bush were all on the same page and suddenly morphed into a borg-like super-intelligence, with the ability to predict the future, conquer and enslave the world, all the while killing and lying to their own citizens all with pinpoint precision..

Um sorry folks we can barely count our ballots.

No, the US Federal Government, specifically, the overblown Bureaucratic system before 9/11 was simply riddled with incompetence and complacency. A "That's not my job attitude."


It took a few overly smart doods sitting in a cave in Afganistan to come up with a plan to knock our front teeth in...they were overly smart because one of our bureacracy's skrewed-up (CIA- BLOWBACK). No surprise there.

The tragedies of 9/11 were a result of simplicity, not complexity.

I realize it is no fun to think of the people within our Federal Government as everyday goof-balls that just happened to take a different career path.

But, they are....

Besides Waco93, I have written papers on the AFA, PTC, PMRC, the duress-induced, and Manifest Destiny driven take-overs of the Kingdom of Hawai'i, and Northern Mexico. Not topics you will find on Hannity or Rush Limbaugh.

Hope that helps.



[edit on 19-3-2007 by GwionX]

Well one good way to put the Osama question to rest would be to bother to capture him, instead of saying, "I don't think he's really that important."

For all any of us know, right now he could be spending his CIA paychecks and 9/11 bonus in a casino on the Riviera.

Originally posted by gottago
Well one good way to put the Osama question to rest would be to bother to capture him, instead of saying, "I don't think he's really that important."

For all any of us know, right now he could be spending his CIA paychecks and 9/11 bonus in a casino on the Riviera.

We all know that isn't true. Osama Bin Laden being caught won't change a thing. Should Osama be caught and say anything that does not support a conspiracy, it will be deemed as a lie. Look at the guys who were more incriminating in the event than Osama. Look at how all the pentagon footage gets released. How many times did people say "Well if they would just release footage, they could put this all to bed"?

The evidence does not matter in the court of public opinion. If one doesn't like the evidence they see, they will find any way to dismiss it. Osama confessing and or being caught is no different.

(big quote removed, please edit your quotes)

All right, according to your logic, then why should we believe the "confession" tapes either? Can't have it both ways.


[edit on 19-3-2007 by SkepticOverlord]

Originally posted by gottago
Well one good way to put the Osama question to rest would be to bother to capture him, instead of saying, "I don't think he's really that important."

For all any of us know, right now he could be spending his CIA paychecks and 9/11 bonus in a casino on the Riviera.

Better he be in limbo, diseased, broke and silent than a martyr. OBL doesn't deserve to reveled as a heroic warrior. $.02

Originally posted by GwionX

Originally posted by gottago
Well one good way to put the Osama question to rest would be to bother to capture him, instead of saying, "I don't think he's really that important."

For all any of us know, right now he could be spending his CIA paychecks and 9/11 bonus in a casino on the Riviera.

Better he be in limbo, diseased, broke and silent than a martyr. OBL doesn't deserve to reveled as a heroic warrior. $.02

--And that's about what it's worth.

Where in that post is there anything to suggest I'm saying he's either a martyr or a heroic warrior? Really, this is a blatant smear upon someone who doesn't share your opinion, and a crude one at that.

Please address the questions presented and don't pervert others' posts to suit your agenda.

Get over it, Scooby. Ya paranoid, spaztic. stinking pile of narcissitic flame bait.

All you want to do is whine, and flame. I have written the EXACT SAME LINE BEFORE-- it Has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.

It has to do with the logic behind not parading OBL's head around on a pole.


[edit on 19-3-2007 by GwionX]

(ridiculously large quote removed)


Excuse me, but is there a moderator on this thread? This is a totally unacceptable post and should be dealt with accordingly.



[edit on 19-3-2007 by SkepticOverlord]

How many warns do you have again? I don't have any.

It is easier than you think for a Moderator to spot a person trying to start a flame-war.

I am done with this thread.. The information stands on its own merit.



[edit on 19-3-2007 by GwionX]

We resolved the "fat Osama" issue long ago... 2003 to be exact...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I don't buy it, sorry folks.

To me the difference looks to be the difference between PAL and NTSC video formats.

This was most likely shot using PAL, and the conversion to NTSC WILL widen the aspect ratio. I'd like to see the full video as it's easy enough to cherry-pick specific worst-case frames and focus on short-lived oddities.

Why don't people do more homework on stuff like this?

And in my book, ad admission from someone set-up and funded by the CIA is not exactly proof that there was no "government" involvement.

Control Your Large Quoting!

I just handed out far too many big-quote warnings for a one-page thread.

Please be mindful of your quoting.

Sorry for the delay in responding, I spilled coffee in my keyboard and hd to dig up an old one. The letters work better! Fat Osama: I once bought it. Up till recently actually, thought it one of the few good points in Loose Change. I feel silly now. But I didn't really believe it, just hadn't decided against it...

I was hoping Deltaboy would explain better the reason for Osama’s alleged fattening. little luck with the vid links... I initially wondered if he hadn’t packed on a few for the winter of hiding in caves he knew he’d be doing, but the proportions just weren’t right. But lately I’ve heard something about video aspect ratios, conversion errors, where the screen was simply stretched? And then SO answered that. Yayyy! That far back, huh? You folks are sharp. It all makes sense. And the ring also worn all the time, along with a watch and occasionally a giant purple pimp hat with tassles. Or did I make that up?

Originally posted by iknowyouknowiknow
fake osama claims he had something to do with 9/11 on dec 13 2001..
fake reality or real illusion.

A valid perspective. I believe Osama admitted to 9/11 repeatedly. His initial public distancing could have numerous reasons. I also believe KSM said what they say he said, has said it before being tortured, and would freely say it again. All in all, these guys are an open book to their sworn destroyers. They may well have even launched the attacks themselves, hoping to destroy America but ironically and unexpectedly opening a can of whoop ass! Oops they did it again, accidentally serving US interests, first off by justifying the Afghan War decided on in the months before 9/11.

Recall al Qaeda – the thing that would become al Qaeda – was once an American tool in that same place in the 1980s, and incidentally, somewhat indirectly, kept helping out the US as late as ’94 in Bosnia and ’99 in Kosovo, and in Chechnya to boot, keeping the Russkies just a bit weaker. Much has been made of the reason for and timing of the change of heart that turned Osama’s once-useful network into public enemy number one, a global cancer requiring selective global surgery, but what if…

What if there never was a change of heart? What if Osama is a video ghost, with no real connection to the world? A delusional idiot kept around to hand us provocations and fess up at every opportunity, the Goldstein for our two minute hate?

But his face, his words, the ideas he presents, are the spark to the very real fuel of (partly deserved) anti-American animosity. Whether or not Osama's network is organizing it, the idea serves as a rallying point, and we have to step in and intervene. We tell them where to fight: Iraq. Bin Laden tells them where to fight: Somalia. Anyone know what US nterests are in Somalia? I probably should...

If so then all this fake Osama and Gitmo torture talk becomes pretty irrelevant.


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GwionX

I realize it is no fun to think of the people within our Federal Government as everyday goof-balls that just happened to take a different career path.

but they are.

well that says it all.

then why have previous presidents warned against these monsters for years.

im not even going to bother with you. good day sir.