Thermite theory vs. Explosives theory

Originally posted by whiterabbit

Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
Because the few bits of the WTC that are left are covered in the products of the reaction of Thermate.

Not true. They found sulfidation, not specific evidence of thermite.

Assuming sulfur could only have come from thermite isn't true. There's sulfur in the drywall. There was sulfur in lots of things throughout that building. Any of those things could have easily been the source of the sulfur found.

Thermite also leaves other byproducts besides sulfur, which they didn't find.

They use drywall Gypsum for fireproofing, why would they use a product which you are claiming has sulfer in it for walls in houses, it would burn up quickly if it did IMO.

[edit on 19-3-2007 by PHARAOH1133]

Originally posted by whiterabbit

Those still would've left slag, obviously-cut beams, and unburned thermite. None of which were found at ground zero.


[edit on 14-3-2007 by whiterabbit]

were connected to the detonation wires or cables they would of been burned as they cut through the I-Beams.
So with all the heat which was around what makes you think there would be any thermite laying around, plus how would you be able to identify thermite in a pile of dirt and debris? I don't think any loose thermite would be exposed or just laying around.

First they place 2 thermite straps on the I-Beam one on top the other on the bottom about six feet apart cuting angles going in different directions, then they place an explosive charge in the middle of the beam (Which is to be blown out and away) in between the two straps charges to blow the section out, so they use thermite to cut it and explosives to blow the section away from the rest of the beam, so it will fall.

Originally posted by Connected
That is also why CD Inc. was used to clean up the Oklahoma City bombings, and other government projects.

--edit--
damn i typed to slow, guy above me said it as I was saying it lol...

[edit on 15-3-2007 by Connected]

You said Controlled Demolition, INC. did the clean up at the Oklahoma bombing also!!!!!!!
This is incredible information if you are correct, and if you are this puts a whole new light on the whole situation here.
We need to have a little looksee and talk to these guys at Controlled demo, Inc. I think. Very, Very interesting, to say the least!

[edit on 19-3-2007 by PHARAOH1133]

[edit on 19-3-2007 by PHARAOH1133]

Originally posted by whiterabbit

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
But would explosives leave all that molten steel in the basements of the buildings?

No. Neither thermite nor explosives are capable of directly causing that. That had to come from some other process.

Do you think it might of been just jet fuel which kept the I-Beams burning for 6 weeks?
It had to be chemical, Like Thermite or Thermat IMO

Originally posted by whiterabbit

Thermite REALLY would have left evidence everywhere--evidence even untrained people could spot. There would've been people constantly asking, "Why are all those columns melted like somebody cut them?" They would've been reporting their observations to the police, the fire department, the FBI, etc.

So many people would've seen so much that you could NEVER have kept it quiet.


[edit on 15-3-2007 by whiterabbit]

Yes people who by the way were in complete fear had no idea right when it happened.
But they didn't think: Oh look at all these beams that look like they have slag on them, we better not store all this evidence, like they originall told us they were, looking for body parts to test for DNA and other things like keychains watches jewlery, stuff like that, for id. purposes, Oh look we better get rid of these I-Beams before someone starts, examining them! Hey I got a great Idea, lets just ship it all to CHINA and get it out of the country then nobody will know!

[edit on 19-3-2007 by PHARAOH1133]

[edit on 19-3-2007 by PHARAOH1133]

Originally posted by whiterabbit

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
But thats why you use a fuel air mix to spread it.

It still wouldn't burn for 4 weeks under rubble. Not even close.

Show me some proof then?
What is your explaination for the red hot I-Beams burning red hot after six weeks? I would sure like to know

Here is the interview where Stacey from Controlled Demolition Inc admits cleaning up Oklahoma

www.pbs.org...

The whole building was basically full of, you know, classified information. So we actually had a contract with them to remove any classified materials from the building that we could locate—thousands and thousands of pieces of paper.

Guess who also cleans up the *CLASSIFIED* things at Building 7? You got it, the same guys who cleaned up at Oklahoma.

Guess where the rabbit holes goes??

Check this out, Terry Nichols who was a part of the Oklahoma bombing has come out recently and named an FBI agent in an Affidavit as the one who directed Timothy Mcveigh!

Remember Nichols always maintained that someone else was involved.

Well guess who? Here is the Link you can read about it here:

SALT LAKE TRIBUNE

www.sltrib.com...

Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols says a high-ranking FBI official "apparently" was directing Timothy McVeigh in the plot to blow up a government building and might have changed the original target of the attack, according to a new affidavit filed in U.S. District Court in Utah.
The official and other conspirators are being protected by the federal government "in a cover-up to escape its responsibility for the loss of life in Oklahoma," Nichols claims in a Feb. 9 affidavit.

Now this gets more strange.

The BOMBER behind the WTC in 1993 Ramzi Yousef meets by Chance with Terry Nichols in the Philippines!!!
Check out the link that explores this

www.newsmax.com...

Oklahoma City bomber Terry Nichols met with World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef in the Philippines before he and Timothy McVeigh carried out their plot, investigative reporter Jayna Davis said Wednesday.

"Terry Nichols and Ramzi Yousef met personally in the Philippines on the island of Mindanao in the early 1990s to discuss, of all things, bombmaking," Davis told ABC Radio Network host John Batchelor.

On Wednesday, an Oklahoma jury returned a 161-count murder verdict against Nichols. He is expected to face the death penalty. But the bizarre Yousef-Nichols tie-in did not come up in the trial.

What are the chances!

Thermite used to bring down flight 93.
www.youtube.com...

timestamp 4:04 notice the white smoke, if this isn't proof I don't know what is.

Can a CT'er tell me why I am wrong? And prove to me that this is not thermite?

And will examine what they are saying.
There might of been, like I have said before multiple types of explosives used, people who do these Controlled demo's have thousands of differently designed explosives and charges to use, he therefore is more of a artist when designing how to exactly bring a building down, so lets not limit ourselves here about what kind of explosives or other types of material which may have been used.
Would it not make more sense to discuss this matter with a Controlled DEMO expert, who actually does this type of work, I would think so.

[edit on 19-3-2007 by PHARAOH1133]

[edit on 19-3-2007 by PHARAOH1133]

Originally posted by Caustic Logic
Sorry guys, didn't read this thread at all, and I'm a WTC idiot, but have had a scenario I'd like to share and that's worth exactly what it is:

Special "insulation" for the metal components of the towers, at least at anticipated impact points, with a chemical component that, when mixed with jet fuel, turns to a slow-burning thermite like substance. Then the building's collapse was ensured in case impact and fire alone wouldn't do the trick, and they could still say, in a way, it was the jet fuel, and if needed show exactly how all the collapse damage was indeed at and around impact points, not all throughout the towers as in a CD. It would be a plane and chemicals induced collapse totally engineered but made to look like the official story.

A bit silly but what the heck. It makes some sense.

when you mentioned insulation, That the building was full of asbestos all the I-Beams were coated with Monocoat Asbestos which would make it hard for jet fuel to burn through, especially on the bottom floors.
The cost to remove this before the buildings fell would of run in the hundreds of millions, and I think should be looked at closely.

[edit on 20-3-2007 by PHARAOH1133]

Originally posted by DoomX
Here's a kicker,
I watch this: www.youtube.com...

Where are the sounds to the squib explosions on specific floors as seen in
www.youtube.com...

Are these silent bombs causing squibs? or bombs that blend into the rumble sound of the building?

Notice the second video 0:21 seconds is show a demolition of a building and you clearly hear the charges going off, despite the music and commentary. You can even say the camera at 0:21 in the second video is similarly close to the base of the building as the camera guy in the first video.
Yet, in the second video you hear distinct charges set off and in the first video you do not.

Any explanation?

We are finding (not in this thread alone), but many other threads which there have been videos being removed as a way of censorship, why do you think this is happening, anyone care to comment?
Maybe we are getting too close to the truth possibly?

Originally posted by DoomX
Here's a kicker,
I watch this: www.youtube.com...

Where are the sounds to the squib explosions on specific floors as seen in
www.youtube.com...

Are these silent bombs causing squibs? or bombs that blend into the rumble sound of the building?

Notice the second video 0:21 seconds is show a demolition of a building and you clearly hear the charges going off, despite the music and commentary. You can even say the camera at 0:21 in the second video is similarly close to the base of the building as the camera guy in the first video.
Yet, in the second video you hear distinct charges set off and in the first video you do not.

Any explanation?

What kind of explosives caused this?
Bet they're going to say Jet Fuel!

Originally posted by whiterabbit

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
So i guess you know what would keep the debris red hot for 6 weeks if not thermite.

Nope. Not totally.

The leading theory is that hot iron interacting with the water had a hydrogen reaction.

I DO know thermite couldn't have done it, though. It would've burned up LONG before that. And explosives even sooner.

[edit on 16-3-2007 by whiterabbit]

I would like to see that evidence, this is a very interesting idea?
show me the proof this can happen!

Originally posted by PHARAOH1133

We are finding (not in this thread alone), but many other threads which there have been videos being removed as a way of censorship, why do you think this is happening, anyone care to comment?
Maybe we are getting too close to the truth possibly?

www.youtube.com...
Here's the new link if you still wish to see what I was trying to convey.

I have no idea why the other link was removed from youtube, but I did find another to replace it. Don't know how long it will be up.

Damn agents!

[edit on 19-3-2007 by DoomX]

Originally posted by PHARAOH1133

But why would it be ridiculous if they use Thermite in other buildings with controlled demolitions?

When has thermite ever been used to perform a controlled demolition?

IIRC, it never has.

They use drywall Gypsum for fireproofing, why would they use a product which you are claiming has sulfer in it for walls in houses, it would burn up quickly if it did IMO.

Not quite correct. Drywall can be rated to slow down a fire, but it is not used for fireproofing. And yes gyspum has sulphur in it.


en.wikipedia.org...

What is your explaination for the red hot I-Beams burning red hot after six weeks? I would sure like to know

I'm sorry I missed this, do you have links to pictures or eyewitnesses who say "red hot I-beams burning red hot" six weeks later?

Thermite produces a quick chemical reaction, it would take tons of it to burn for six weeks.


Another flaw in both of these theories is that they require an unknown type of detonation system that can survive being hit by an airliner and an hour of fire yet still work perfectly.

Originally posted by talisman
Here is the interview where Stacey from Controlled Demolition Inc admits cleaning up Oklahoma

www.pbs.org...

The whole building was basically full of, you know, classified information. So we actually had a contract with them to remove any classified materials from the building that we could locate—thousands and thousands of pieces of paper.

Guess who also cleans up the *CLASSIFIED* things at Building 7? You got it, the same guys who cleaned up at Oklahoma.

Guess where the rabbit holes goes??

Check this out, Terry Nichols who was a part of the Oklahoma bombing has come out recently and named an FBI agent in an Affidavit as the one who directed Timothy Mcveigh!

Remember Nichols always maintained that someone else was involved.

Well guess who? Here is the Link you can read about it here:

SALT LAKE TRIBUNE

www.sltrib.com...

Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols says a high-ranking FBI official "apparently" was directing Timothy McVeigh in the plot to blow up a government building and might have changed the original target of the attack, according to a new affidavit filed in U.S. District Court in Utah.
The official and other conspirators are being protected by the federal government "in a cover-up to escape its responsibility for the loss of life in Oklahoma," Nichols claims in a Feb. 9 affidavit.

Now this gets more strange.

The BOMBER behind the WTC in 1993 Ramzi Yousef meets by Chance with Terry Nichols in the Philippines!!!
Check out the link that explores this

www.newsmax.com...

Oklahoma City bomber Terry Nichols met with World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef in the Philippines before he and Timothy McVeigh carried out their plot, investigative reporter Jayna Davis said Wednesday.

"Terry Nichols and Ramzi Yousef met personally in the Philippines on the island of Mindanao in the early 1990s to discuss, of all things, bombmaking," Davis told ABC Radio Network host John Batchelor.

On Wednesday, an Oklahoma jury returned a 161-count murder verdict against Nichols. He is expected to face the death penalty. But the bizarre Yousef-Nichols tie-in did not come up in the trial.

What are the chances!

Yes very, interesting to say the least, I think we are uncovering all the facts surrounding these events and they are becoming very clear to me, and I hope the rest of the people in the world see it too, it's just like: Where do we go from here now?
I think things are coming to a head real quick here and something is going to happen real quick. That's all I got to say. At least some other big independent investigation, however where's all the Tangible evidence? China? Maybe someone should ask China if they still have 911 I-Beams?

[edit on 19-3-2007 by PHARAOH1133]

Originally posted by DoomX

Originally posted by PHARAOH1133

We are finding (not in this thread alone), but many other threads which there have been videos being removed as a way of censorship, why do you think this is happening, anyone care to comment?
Maybe we are getting too close to the truth possibly?

www.youtube.com...
Here's the new link if you still wish to see what I was trying to convey.

I have no idea why the other link was removed from youtube, but I did find another to replace it. Don't know how long it will be up.

Damn agents!

[edit on 19-3-2007 by DoomX]

All I have to say to what you just said is Ditto, good job DoomX

Originally posted by LeftBehind

Originally posted by PHARAOH1133

But why would it be ridiculous if they use Thermite in other buildings with controlled demolitions?

When has thermite ever been used to perform a controlled demolition?

IIRC, it never has.

They use drywall Gypsum for fireproofing, why would they use a product which you are claiming has sulfer in it for walls in houses, it would burn up quickly if it did IMO.

Not quite correct. Drywall can be rated to slow down a fire, but it is not used for fireproofing. And yes gyspum has sulphur in it.


en.wikipedia.org...

What is your explaination for the red hot I-Beams burning red hot after six weeks? I would sure like to know

I'm sorry I missed this, do you have links to pictures or eyewitnesses who say "red hot I-beams burning red hot" six weeks later?

Thermite produces a quick chemical reaction, it would take tons of it to burn for six weeks.


Another flaw in both of these theories is that they require an unknown type of detonation system that can survive being hit by an airliner and an hour of fire yet still work perfectly.

Calcium Sulfate
And yes they do use drywall as a fireproofing it's rated Like you have to use 5/8 drywall on garage wall connected to the living areas they call them "Firewalls"
And yes there are plently of videos showing the I-Beams burning for 6 weeks.
Go to my thread and do the reseach yourself
Here's the link : www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 20-3-2007 by PHARAOH1133]

Like I said, certain types of sheetrock might be rated to slow down a fire, it is certainly not fireproof, nor a fireproofing substance like asbestos.

en.wikipedia.org...

The most commonly used drywall is one half inch thick, but can range from one quarter (6.35 mm) to one inch (25 mm). For soundproofing or fire resistance, two layers of drywall are sometimes laid at right angles to each other. In North America, five-eighths inch thick drywall with a one-hour fire-resistance rating is often used where fire resistance is desired.

Drywall provides a thermal resistance R-value of 0.32 for three-eighths-inch board, 0.45 for half inch, 0.56 for five-eighths inch and 0.83 for one-inch board. In addition to increased R-value, thicker drywall has a higher sound transmission class.

It will burn, it is fire resistant not fireproof.

And yes sheetrock is made from gypsum or calcium sulfate.

en.wikipedia.org...

A growing source of gypsum is from flue gas desulfurization which scrubs the sulfur emissions from fossil-fuel-burning power stations. This is done by using finely ground limestone which reacts with the sulfur dioxide to produce high-purity gypsum as a by-product.

I have seen your thread, and I have done research on this. I have never seen any picture, let alone video of "red hot I-beams burning red hot" six weeks later, and there is certainly none in that thread.

If you could provide a link to one it would be greatly appreciated.