So, do you really think AIDS was caused by the government?

I disbelieve that. Lots of people may agree with the possibility that AIDS may have been created by the government in order to continue on with racial cleansing. However they have no absolute way to actually prove that it comes from the government, let alone the lack of evidence they have is astonishing. What is even more astonishing is that they are saying that they are doing this without any proof and without anything to back them up, I mean, if you had proof then show it to me!

I think it's highly unlikely that someone within the US Government would do such a thing, it costs so much in health care that it really doesn't help anything much... It's always a possibility, though, and I'm no doctor.

HIV is a strong virus because of it's lipid membrane and the fact that it attacks the immune system. I don't know how rare this is, but I know it's known to exist elsewhere. You have to remember that some people aren't confident that HIV alone causes AIDS, though that's the highly probable scientific consensus for the most part.

There was AIDS cousins in our primate relatives long before. I believe it passed onto humans through the eating of primates which is considered a delicacy in Africa.

How about cancer? I beleve Jack Ruby and John Gotti believe the Gov. gave them cancer

Vasili Mitrokhin alleged that the theory was a KGB disinfo campaign to undermine US support in the Third World. This was done through Dr Jakob Segal. I haven't actually read the Mitrokhin files however, and I know both the CIA and Indian intelligence had doubts as to his authenticity.

Either way, it seems rather dubious. As a biological weapon, you'd want something that spreads quickly and easily (air-based or similar), multiplies fast then dies out. HIV takes far too long for it to change to AIDS for it to have a military application.

That the U.S. navy engineered the virus to get rid of the Gay's because the were getting too powerful in Washington.

Has anyone else heard simular?

These are all paragraphs from an article on the NewsTarget website.

Human medical experimentation in the United States: The shocking true history of modern medicine and psychiatry (1965-2005)

(1970)
A year after his request, under H.R. 15090, Dr. MacArthur receives funding to begin CIA-supervised mycoplasma research with Fort Detrick's Special Operations Division and hopefully create a synthetic immunosuppressive agent. Some experts believe that this research may have inadvertently created HIV, the virus that causes AIDS (Goliszek).

(1971)
President Nixon converts Fort Detrick from an offensive biowarfare lab to the Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center, now known as the National Cancer Institute at Frederick. In addition to cancer research, scientists study virology, immunology and retrovirology (including HIV) there. Additionally, the site is home to the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute, which researches drugs, vaccines and countermeasures for biological warfare, so the former Fort Detrick does not move far away from its biowarfare past (Goliszek).

An article entitled "Viral Infections in Man Associated with Acquired Immunological Deficiency States" appears in Federation Proceedings. Dr. MacArthur and Fort Detrick's Special Operations Division have, at this point, been conducting mycoplasma research to create a synthetic immunosuppressive agent for about one year, again suggesting that this research may have produced HIV (Goliszek).

(1978)
The CDC begins experimental hepatitis B vaccine trials in New York. Its ads for research subjects specifically ask for promiscuous homosexual men. Professor Wolf Szmuness of the Columbia University School of Public Health had made the vaccine's infective serum from the pooled blood serum of hepatitis-infected homosexuals and then developed it in chimpanzees, the only animal susceptible to hepatitis B, leading to the theory that HIV originated in chimpanzees before being transferred over to humans via this vaccine. A few months after 1,083 homosexual men receive the vaccine, New York physicians begin noticing cases of Kaposi's sarcoma, Mycoplasma penetrans and a new strain of herpes virus among New York's homosexual community -- diseases not usually seen among young, American men, but that would later be known as common opportunistic diseases associated with AIDS (Goliszek).

(1980)
According to blood samples tested years later for HIV, 20 percent of all New York homosexual men who participated in the 1978 hepatitis B vaccine experiment are HIV-positive by this point (Goliszek).

The CDC continues its 1978 hepatitis B vaccine experiment in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, St. Louis and Denver, recruiting over 7,000 homosexual men in San Francisco alone (Goliszek).

The FDA prohibits the use of prison inmates in pharmaceutical drug trials, leading to the advent of the experimental drug testing centers industry (Sharav).

The first AIDS case appears in San Francisco (Goliszek).

(1981)
(1981 - 1993) The Seattle-based Genetic Systems Corporation begins an ongoing medical experiment called Protocol No. 126, in which cancer patients at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle are given bone marrow transplants that contain eight experimental proteins made by Genetic Systems, rather than standard bone marrow transplants; 19 human subjects die from complications directly related to the experimental treatment (Goliszek).

The CDC acknowledges that a disease known as AIDS exists and confirms 26 cases of the disease -- all in previously healthy homosexuals living in New York, San Francisco and Los Angeles -- again supporting the speculation that AIDS originated from the hepatitis B experiments from 1978 and 1980 (Goliszek).

(1982)
Thirty percent of the test subjects used in the CDC's hepatitis B vaccine experiment are HIV-positive by this point (Goliszek).

This article goes on and on about the secret experiments done on people without their knowledge or consent. Do I believe the government created AIDS? Yes. After reading what they have done for decades... how could you NOT believe that?

Yeah there's actually all kinds of official documents that cleary show the government created it and used it in secret tests.

Best place to hide the evidence is out in the open right under your nose.

Yeah I know that but that's not really what I am talking about. I am saying that with the lack of official evidence of which they claim is true it is going to be nearly impossible to prove that AIDS was created by the government. That being said, I am glad someone showed me the facts and proved me wrong. I like being proved wrong.

I proved someone wrong?

Huh, didn't see the posts above for some reason.

[edit on 13-3-2007 by Johnmike]

Originally posted by annestacey
These are all paragraphs from an article on the NewsTarget website.

Human medical experimentation in the United States: The shocking true history of modern medicine and psychiatry (1965-2005)

(1970)
A year after his request, under H.R. 15090, Dr. MacArthur receives funding to begin CIA-supervised mycoplasma research with Fort Detrick's Special Operations Division and hopefully create a synthetic immunosuppressive agent. Some experts believe that this research may have inadvertently created HIV, the virus that causes AIDS (Goliszek).

(1971)
President Nixon converts Fort Detrick from an offensive biowarfare lab to the Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center, now known as the National Cancer Institute at Frederick. In addition to cancer research, scientists study virology, immunology and retrovirology (including HIV) there. Additionally, the site is home to the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute, which researches drugs, vaccines and countermeasures for biological warfare, so the former Fort Detrick does not move far away from its biowarfare past (Goliszek).

An article entitled "Viral Infections in Man Associated with Acquired Immunological Deficiency States" appears in Federation Proceedings. Dr. MacArthur and Fort Detrick's Special Operations Division have, at this point, been conducting mycoplasma research to create a synthetic immunosuppressive agent for about one year, again suggesting that this research may have produced HIV (Goliszek).

(1978)
The CDC begins experimental hepatitis B vaccine trials in New York. Its ads for research subjects specifically ask for promiscuous homosexual men. Professor Wolf Szmuness of the Columbia University School of Public Health had made the vaccine's infective serum from the pooled blood serum of hepatitis-infected homosexuals and then developed it in chimpanzees, the only animal susceptible to hepatitis B, leading to the theory that HIV originated in chimpanzees before being transferred over to humans via this vaccine. A few months after 1,083 homosexual men receive the vaccine, New York physicians begin noticing cases of Kaposi's sarcoma, Mycoplasma penetrans and a new strain of herpes virus among New York's homosexual community -- diseases not usually seen among young, American men, but that would later be known as common opportunistic diseases associated with AIDS (Goliszek).

(1980)
According to blood samples tested years later for HIV, 20 percent of all New York homosexual men who participated in the 1978 hepatitis B vaccine experiment are HIV-positive by this point (Goliszek).

The CDC continues its 1978 hepatitis B vaccine experiment in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, St. Louis and Denver, recruiting over 7,000 homosexual men in San Francisco alone (Goliszek).

The FDA prohibits the use of prison inmates in pharmaceutical drug trials, leading to the advent of the experimental drug testing centers industry (Sharav).

The first AIDS case appears in San Francisco (Goliszek).

(1981)
(1981 - 1993) The Seattle-based Genetic Systems Corporation begins an ongoing medical experiment called Protocol No. 126, in which cancer patients at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle are given bone marrow transplants that contain eight experimental proteins made by Genetic Systems, rather than standard bone marrow transplants; 19 human subjects die from complications directly related to the experimental treatment (Goliszek).

The CDC acknowledges that a disease known as AIDS exists and confirms 26 cases of the disease -- all in previously healthy homosexuals living in New York, San Francisco and Los Angeles -- again supporting the speculation that AIDS originated from the hepatitis B experiments from 1978 and 1980 (Goliszek).

(1982)
Thirty percent of the test subjects used in the CDC's hepatitis B vaccine experiment are HIV-positive by this point (Goliszek).

This article goes on and on about the secret experiments done on people without their knowledge or consent. Do I believe the government created AIDS? Yes. After reading what they have done for decades... how could you NOT believe that?

JOHNMIKE, that is what I am talking about.





[edit on 13-3-2007 by Maverickhunter]

If the AIDS virus was given to exclusivley homosexual men through a Hep B vaccination, then how did it spread to the wider community?
I really don't buy the blood transfusions theory. I don't think gay men donate THAT much blood and also people who have never had a blood transfusion have gotten HIV.

There aren't that many gays in the world to spread it too far by themselves.
It must also have been given to some other group/groups for it to have spread as far and wide as it has.

Maybe by the Hep B vaccine to gays, some other form to women and children?
But then the question is WHY?
Is it an experiment that got out of control? And don't scientists usually have an antidote to every virus they create and actually experiment with? Who would knowingly spread a virus/disease without having a cure?

Firstly, 'gays'? What is this, 1980?

Secondly, please correct me if I'm wrong, but has anyone claimed AIDS was given exclusively to homosexual men through the Heb B vac?

Thirdly, 'there aren't that many gays in the world'? Really? From looking at just the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras in my local city, it seems there's quite a few homosexual people out there. Keep in mind, too, that it only takes one bisexual person to spread the disease from the homosexual to the heterosexual community - and from there it spreads like wildfire.

As a biological weapon, you'd want something that spreads quickly and easily (air-based or similar), multiplies fast then dies out

As an out-right biological weapon, yes, you would seek these features. But if you're looking for a biological weapon that appears like a naturally occurring phenomena, I think you would look for a different set of features.

And the cost to health care - to me - is an argument for, not against. The health industry is just that - an industry. I think we would have a cure for cancer by now if this were not the case. It's a lot more profitable to treat the symptoms over and over and over again, than it is to address the cause in the first place.

Originally posted by TheStev
And the cost to health care - to me - is an argument for, not against. The health industry is just that - an industry. I think we would have a cure for cancer by now if this were not the case. It's a lot more profitable to treat the symptoms over and over and over again, than it is to address the cause in the first place.

Exactly. The FDA, USDA, AMA (and more) are in this for the money.

Modern medicine is a platform for profit, not health
This has implications that are more serious than one might initially think, especially considering the heavy role that pharmaceutical companies play in mainstream medicine. "Deep Healing" author Dr. Emmette Miller writes, "We have to remember that most medical research in this country is financed by pharmaceutical companies who are looking for new drugs they can produce and sell."

Source:

Pharmaceutical fraud: How Big Pharma's marketing and profits come before consumer safety and wellness

Is AIDS a disease created by people ?
I'm not going to rule out the idea for the simple reason that AIDS appeared out no where during the 1980s.
Why is there no signs or records of AIDS killing people thou out history ?
Lets assume AIDS existed before the 1980s that still leaves the following question.

What caused the sudden raise in infections and deaths ?
AIDS may not have been created by people but there must have been a process that led to the diseases sudden impact.

The other possibility is that AIDS is a part of Evolution as in a means of controlling the population of humans since the only predators we face are our fellow man.

I think it was possible that the government is involved with the AIDS Virus. You here all the time about biological warfare on the news. Here's another website I found that talks about AIDS and documents from the government.

AIDS

I'm really surprised, especially on this site, that people actually believe in this Fruad

Anyway, have a look at this site www.aras.ab.ca...

There are some very good links and video's explaining all

aids was created by native men having sex with apes , aids was a non deadly deseace under apes it mutated and was given on by the native men of africa to there wives.
the culture there said that woman having there periods were unclean and you had to keep away from them until they were clean again.
the men had urges and they took apes and monkeys ,
then there were stories that aid/ hiv could be cured by having sex with childeren. after while when war and poverty took the overhand people took advantage of our asylium laws and came here they raped and some times had sex with people from the countries where they went. so those people were infected also, because there are no apes or monkeys here they took eachother and people from the gay world, gays are not always gays they are even bisexual and they are going to have sex with there wives or girlfriends who don't know they have a secret life.

Many years ago in Highschool (8th grade or so I believe) I did a 6 page report on Biological Warfare. One of the things that stuck with me on this report was the articles I ran across on HIV. I don't remember exactly, because it was a long time ago, but the general idea was the first aids case came out of a particular prison (don't remember the state, somewhere in the NE). In this particular prison some years before inmates were given the opportunity to shorten their sentence by partaking in experiments. At the time, the tests were deamed unsuccessful because they didn't know it had such a long incubation period... That's about all I remember, not saying I do or don't believe it, but take it for what it's worth.

I was talking to a girl who did AIDS research one night and she said they can trace it back to like the 1950's in Africa. I highly doubt a government made it. Would the government give it to people....can anyone say Tuskegee?? Would a corporation spread it? It's a PC disease and drug companies made TONS of money trying to cure it.

commenting on someone's post...are you sure they were "eating" the monkey??

also read that some(very small genetic group) of Nordic people are almost imune to HIV. That's about as white as you can get. that could be where the conspericy theory that HIV was made to target blacks came from