From Anonymous Posts: S-4 Meaning

Original Anonymous Post By: anon_100820
This anonymous post is in response to ATS thread: S-4 Question: What does the "S" stand for?


Hello all,

I'm a "Camo Dude", and I'm here to tell you;

S-4, is simply Sector-4, on military base/area maps they are sectorized to prioritize various mission support functions. Major Accident evac, MOPP, ect. They generally are numbered in a counterclockwise fashion, so the 4th sector is typically in the northeast corner.

FYI.

A pig knows little, therefore suffers little.

How much does man suffer?

Guys it's good to have an open mind, but not so much that our brains fall out.

It seems we Now have an answer to the S-4 Mystery! Case Closed!

Your right, from so much disinformation our brains will eventually fall out! S4 is called Sector 4 and is located at Pappoose Lake! We, or at least I, have already established that!

Ghost01 you start yet another ridiculous thread(I am starting to lose count of them) claiming to believe a "cammo dude" that doesn't even have the courage to get a nickname!

Also, why do you start a new thread about S4 when there already several of them

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[edit on 14/3/2007 by Mirthful Me]

Hmm Socialist for someone who has only been here for so little time you have some spunk. Not always a good thing. The reason ghost started the thread like this is because when someone post on the Anonymous board it allows you to create a reply in the forum of a new post.

As for the believe a camo dude anyone can believe what they want but if you have info to prove that 'Camo dude" wrong you post it I dont see the need to attack ghost liek that when he has done more for ATS then you have so far and he isn't a bad guy and you seem to have based the reason of your anger on something that you learn if you have been on ATS for a bit.

There is a way around what ghost did though. If you go onto the Anonymous board click to reply in the forum of a new thread but instead just copy the quote you can post it direct to the already create post (thread).

LOL!!! You are defending someone that starts one dumb thread after another. Hmmm. My personal opinion is that someone who does not believe in Lazar, Schneider, S4, Dulce, DNI, underground bases,etc; produces mainly mainstream material; lacks judgement and reasoning skills; is somewhat naive or pretends to be, and for the most part is here to defend his/her government really has no place here other than for DEBUNKING!!! Is Ghost the only person? The answer is NO! But the others are not so aggressive in starting these provacative threads as this person is!

You are wrong about me and what I have done for this site! I have produced more material in 3-4 months than this person has produced in years. But take it as you will...I really don't care and I don't understand why you feel obligated to defend him

Also, you are wrong about my longevity here on ATS! My nickname is new but I have been visiting this site for many months!

Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
LOL!!! You are defending someone that starts one dumb thread after another. Hmmm. My personal opinion is that someone who does not believe in Lazar, Schneider, S4, Dulce, DNI, underground bases,etc; produces mainly mainstream material; lacks judgement and reasoning skills; is somewhat naive or pretends to be, and for the most part is here to defend his/her government really has no place here other than for DEBUNKING!!!

And Greeting to you as well!

Your oppinions are really amusing! You claim that I don't believe in underground bases. May I be so bold as to inquire about where you got that statement from?

I assume you haven't read everything I've ever posted. But hey, it's your oppinion, you're entitle to it.

Tim

You registared in fed on the 26th you have under a 100 posts and your telling me that I'm wrong defending someone? Really its me who doesn't care what you think as you have done nothing to provide and credibilty to what you do here on ATS. Lear Lazar etc are informed and provide at the very least something to chew on.

[edit on 22/08/06 by Canada_EH]

In my opinion your defending the wrong person as I already stated in my previous post! Longevity and post count are inferior to quality and motives! Take it as you will!

For your information I have been visiting ATS since past November but I just recently signed up. Technically, that does not even make me a rookie but even if I was I really don't see what you are trying to prove with this silly analogy of yours!

And your absolutely right Mr. Lear and Mr. Lazar are very well informed individuals and deserve the outmost respect something they have not receieved in this board! I am not saying this because I am obligated in any way rather cause I want to! Take this as you will also!

Have a nice day and try minding your own business for a change!

I’m confused as to why Ghost01 started this thread as well.

This was the first answer you got in your other thread,, why start this one?

And I tend to agree with SocialistAgenda that Ghost01 does have an agenda here, his continuous Bob Lazar bashing.

Ghost01, you raised a good point on the other thread, why did you start this one as well? What do you expect will be said here that wasn’t said in the other thread?

Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
In my opinion your defending the wrong person as I already stated in my previous post! Longevity and post count are inferior to quality and motives! Take it as you will!

I agree that Quality and Motive are more important then longevity and post count.

Now then! First thing's first!

What is your motive for this post? Is this about finding the truth, and helping others seek enlightenment, or Discrediting those you disagree with? I sense a Hidden Agenda in your attacks on this thread.

Also, you need to remember that ATS is getting new members everyday! The things you and I might consider "Common Knowedge" might be new for some of our members. The whole Issue of the Meaning behind the S in S-4 came from another thread of mine. I'll freely admit, I don't know everything about Groom Lake/Area 51. I've learned a lot over the years, but I'm still learning.

Second, I was trying to share a reply to another thread with the general ATS Community. It wasn't my origional intent to "Start Another Thread". I did it because I couldn't figure out how to insert the post into the existing thread. Sorry if I offended you by trying to Deny Ignorance.

Tim

Originally posted by Ghost01
The New thread was a mistake! I couldn't Figure out how to add it to the Existing thread!

my appologies Tim.

I should point out that I consider you, (along with ShadowHawk & gfad) to be one of the few area 51/military experts on ATS. I was honestly confused as to why you started this thread. (Knowing your dislike for Bob, I thought that was it)

What Ghost just explained to you is the reason I respond to the this thread. I had also checked the Anonymous posting board and had to post on a current thread. Ghost hadn't figured out what I had done just a little bit before hand and so just did the default action of replying to this post by pressing the button it has there to begin with.

As for my stance againest Socialist Agenda it was because from the very first post it seemed like he was out to discredit someone for a "mistake" that honestly ATS created in Anonymous board because those people are replying to current threads but when you go to reply to there question/statement it creates a new thread.

Hmm… maybe an “Add to thread” button should be added along with the “quote and create new thread” button.

It’s probably in the works anyway. Things are changing awfully fast around here. I’m still waiting for the mass u2u which explains what “friend” and “foe” is about.

Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
I’m still waiting for the mass u2u which explains what “friend” and “foe” is about.

I just U2U you with a small explination hope it helps. Also as for the ATS mods etc looking into the issue with the Anonymous poster issue I hope so or we may have ot bring it to their attention some how in either the questions section or a U2U of some sort. I may just look into that now

Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
I’m confused as to why Ghost01 started this thread as well.

This was the first answer you got in your other thread,, why start this one?

And I tend to agree with SocialistAgenda that Ghost01 does have an agenda here, his continuous Bob Lazar bashing.

Ghost01, you raised a good point on the other thread, why did you start this one as well? What do you expect will be said here that wasn’t said in the other thread?

Exactly! Thanks for noticing the obvious and having enough courage to speak up! It seems boldness is a rare trait in our days!

If I were you I would stop visiting this board as it is absolutely loaded with disinformation agents! I won't even bother listing the names since they are so obvious if one reads the threads! Today we have a new psy-ops agent and his name goes by Canada_EH!

Ghost keep up the good work but stop using the Delphi technique...it is becoming so obvious my man

For anyone that is not aware of this technique and how they use it to silence the opposition here is a good explanation:

www.eagleforum.org...

In group settings, the Delphi Technique is an unethical method of achieving consensus on controversial topics. It requires well-trained professionals, known as "facilitators" or "change agents," who deliberately escalate tension among group members, pitting one faction against another to make a preordained viewpoint appear "sensible," while making opposing views appear ridiculous.

Ghost01 thanks for putting me and John Lear on your hate list. Coming from you I actually consider it an honor!

I will not retaliate but I will try to ignore you, unless of course you leave me no choice

Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
Ghost01 thanks for putting me and John Lear on your hate list. Coming from you I actually consider it an honor!

Wow, a "hate list". I don't have such a thing, but I have a "list of the biggest *censored* on ATS", and you are on it as well ! John Lear, too, of course.

Regards
yf, professional disinformation agent and Delphi Technique practitioner

Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
Ghost01 thanks for putting me and John Lear on your hate list. Coming from you I actually consider it an honor!

My Plesure! I'm normally not crazy about having a "FOE" of any kind. However, when you stoop to cheap shots such as this:

You are defending someone that starts one dumb thread after another. Hmmm. My personal opinion is that someone who does not believe in Lazar, Schneider, S4, Dulce, DNI, underground bases,etc; produces mainly mainstream material; lacks judgement and reasoning skills; is somewhat naive or pretends to be, and for the most part is here to defend his/her government really has no place here other than for DEBUNKING!!!

I feel that You've Earned you places as a "Respected Foe". However, it's hard to respect someone who consider the above commentary appropeart. The Irony here is, you didn't even have the guts to talk to me about your feeling before resorting to cheap shots.

Yes, I have my issues with John Lear. However, Mr. Lear even had the honor to face off with me and discuss his geviances before we got to our square-off point where we now stand.

B.T.W. It's not a Hate List! I take it you never read the U2U from the ATS Admin.

Tim

Originally posted by SocialistAgenda

Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
I’m confused as to why Ghost01 started this thread as well.

This was the first answer you got in your other thread,, why start this one?

And I tend to agree with SocialistAgenda that Ghost01 does have an agenda here, his continuous Bob Lazar bashing.

Ghost01, you raised a good point on the other thread, why did you start this one as well? What do you expect will be said here that wasn’t said in the other thread?

Exactly! Thanks for noticing the obvious and having enough courage to speak up! It seems boldness is a rare trait in our days!

If I were you I would stop visiting this board as it is absolutely loaded with disinformation agents! I won't even bother listing the names since they are so obvious if one reads the threads! Today we have a new psy-ops agent and his name goes by Canada_EH!

Ghost keep up the good work but stop using the Delphi technique...it is becoming so obvious my man

For anyone that is not aware of this technique and how they use it to silence the opposition here is a good explanation:

www.eagleforum.org...

In group settings, the Delphi Technique is an unethical method of achieving consensus on controversial topics. It requires well-trained professionals, known as "facilitators" or "change agents," who deliberately escalate tension among group members, pitting one faction against another to make a preordained viewpoint appear "sensible," while making opposing views appear ridiculous.

you seemed to have not looked at Conspiracy Nuts following posts. And how the heck am I blah blach agent of some kind. I told you what Ghost had done by mistake and then said that you had been rude about it. honestly I havent hate bashed you but you do get more and more frustrating in the way your treating this subject. I encourage you to continue and then maybe I'll have something to actually go and talk to the ATS staff about. Like honestly how do you expect me to react to remarks like yours? I have spent 3 years on the Aviation forums talking to great guys and gals but as soon as I go onto this Area 51 thread I get attacked for what I think was pretty simple post. Man I hope you feel great about yourself acting like a 5 year old and if you have been here for your many months it doesn't make you and less of an A$$. Heck I think your doing more damage then good for Mr Lazar and Lear as I have started listining and read things about them but it now seems to be fogged over by the actions and words of yourself.

Original Anonymous Post By: anon_100820
This anonymous post is in response to ATS thread: S-4 Question: What does the "S" stand for?
S-4, is simply Sector-4, on military base/area maps they are sectorized to prioritize various mission support functions. Major Accident evac, MOPP, ect. They generally are numbered in a counterclockwise fashion, so the 4th sector is typically in the northeast corner.

Hmmm, this gives us no information whatsoever. This anonymous poster gets an F minus in my book.

So he's a "Cammo Dude?" That's nice and professional.

Military area maps are sectorized? Fair enough, that sounds reasonable.
However, this poster refused to even say how many sectors are in that area. Instead we are told that the "4th sector is typically in the northeast corner." Well, considering that we've been given no other information we're basically in a position to "trust" an anonymous post.

That's not going to happen on ATS, so let's examine this with some common sense and assumptions that we're forced to make due to the nonexistant information in the post.

In all my experience on earth and in math classes, quadrants are numbered as such

2 1
3 4

en.wikipedia.org... em#Two-dimensional_coordinate_system

www.themathlab.com...

Yes, they are labeled in a counterclockwise fashion, but the FIRST quadrant is the northeast quadrant. The fourth quadrant is the southeast quadrant.

But see, I'm forced to make this assumtion of quadrants due to the lack of information given. We could be dealing with 5,6,7,8,9, etc. sectors. Also, we aren't told which sector is the 1st, so how can we assume that the northeast sector is "obviously" the fourth.

Bottom line, without a little more information this post might as well have not happened.

Originally posted by Sunsetspawn
Military area maps are sectorized? Fair enough, that sounds reasonable.
However, this poster refused to even say how many sectors are in that area. Instead we are told that the "4th sector is typically in the northeast corner." Well, considering that we've been given no other information we're basically in a position to "trust" an anonymous post.

That's not going to happen on ATS, so let's examine this with some common sense and assumptions that we're forced to make due to the nonexistant information in the post.

In all my experience on earth and in math classes, quadrants are numbered as such

2 1
3 4

You raise some very good discussion points in your post. I really think we should explore them in depth and see what else we can learn from them. However, With all due respect, I MUST raise one Fair Question:

You're layout of sectors is based on a Quadrant, or 4 sector system. How did you come to the conclusion that Groom Lake only has 4 sectors?

If I remember correctly, the Lake bed itself is roughly 8X10 Miles giving it an area of about 80 square miles. If there are four sectors, that sould be around 20 square miles a sector. That's a big area.

I would expect smaller areas and more of them to cut down on emergency response time. My guess is that it should look more like a clock with adleast 12 sectors.

Will you please share with us how you came to the conclusion that Groom Lake Only has 4 sectors?

Tim

[edit on 3/19/2007 by Ghost01]