Keep this in mind...

I'd just like to point out, that even though you may believe in the corruption of the American government, and what not, that you still should stay loyal to your people and country.

www.youtube.com...

Have a watch, without distractions. I hope it strikes a key.

Have you forgotten?

Nothing like defending our freedom by slaughtering hundreds of thousands of foreign innocents on a false premise.

YEAH! I feel so FREE!

Then why don't you move. You aren't fit to be American.

How about you come make me move and we'll see who really belongs where. I'm the 2nd amendment type of free, buddy.

I don't care who you are, what military you belong to, any of that. You aid in the slaughter of hundreds of thousands, you are responsible for your actions when the time comes.

I hope the majority of people here don't agree with this "American".

Originally posted by bsbray11
How about you come make me move and we'll see who really belongs where. I'm the 2nd amendment type of free, buddy.

I don't care who you are, what military you belong to, any of that. You aid in the slaughter of hundreds of thousands, you are responsible for your actions when the time comes.

but by the same token, bin laden and the taliban and other islamic militants should be held responsible.

Originally posted by XphilesPhan
but by the same token, bin laden and the taliban and other islamic militants should be held responsible.

Ok, sure. How does this relate to slaughtering innocent civilians en masse?

This would be equivalent to catching a serial killer by destroying a state. I question the logic.

That was our song. An American song

Now, for bsbray I will be objective and post "their song"

Be sure to read the words.



[edit on 13-3-2007 by GwionX]

Originally posted by Joshua Crick
Then why don't you move. You aren't fit to be American.

It's this kind of mentality that lets governments get away with things like, killing millions of Jews, or staging terror attacks like 9-11. It's this kind of mentality that allows fascism to thrive.

Blind elegance does not equal patriotic.

And who are you to say what 'being American' is? How about being a Human Being? I'm sick of this us and them mentality. Your great America was stolen and exploited, and not for your benefit either. You are just LUCKY to be here, no more no less.

If you really cared about your country you'd open your eyes and get a clue.

My eyes are WIDE OPEN --and backed with FACTS!

Not some stupid hotel holle pipedream..

you sicken me.

Originally posted by ANOK
It's this kind of mentality that lets governments get away with things like, killing millions of Jews

Exactly. This isn't a matter of patriotism. It's murder. Mass murder.




It can't even be disputed anymore how many civilians we've slaughtered directly in the Mid-East. Even "official" numbers are insane!

Muslims are the new Jew, and you racists are ushering this mentality in.

Originally posted by GwionX
My eyes are WIDE OPEN --and backed with FACTS!
Not some stupid hotel holle pipedream.. you sicken me.

Was I even talking to you?

Such mature debate

Your reactionary style just shows how much thought you really put into this. What are your eyes wide open too exactly? You are so naive about the way things really operate. You can have your eyes open as wide as you like, but until you take the blinders off it won't make much difference.

I'm glad I sicken you btw, hope it felt good... You wanna know what sickens me? The death of trillions of Human lives throughout history slaughtered, in the most horrific way you can think of, by governments to further their political and financial agendas.

Your government is not your country, your country is not your government. Think for yourself.

It's Hotel Hölle btw...

I am far from a war-monger.

Would you suggest we just fold like Spain did?

THAT is exactly what mujahdeen was counting on.

Ok, man...I am going to spell it out for ya.

The biggest beef Al Queda/ mujahdeen had with the USA was the fact that we were in Saudi Arabia... Ask yourself: why were we there? Why did we need to be there? Oil? Nope..we got oil from Saudi for decades.
Because the Saudi moderates wanted our protection? Yes.

From Who? Saddam Hussain

He had already invaded Kuiwait, and attempted to invade Iran before that. He showed no qualms about firing Scuds into Saudi Arabia during the first gulf war.

As long as he was in power the threat of aggression was there. A whole generation of Radical Muslims hated the fact that Infidels were in the lands around Mecca. Hate it so much they are willing to die and kill on religious principle.

What is the End game scenario for this?

Unseat defiant despotic leaders (Hussain, Tailiban) stabilize the region and eliminate the threat of Iraqi invasion to neighboring countries.

We are almost there. Then we can leave. Leave Iraq, Saudi, Afganistan, let them live peacably amongst themselves.

It isn't to go kill Muslims. It is to end that particular cycle of hate, once and for all.

And may i ask what saddam and Iraq had to do with 9.11? It was supposedly bin laden who masterminded the plot...

And dont give me this poo you should be fighting for your fellow americans by invading Iraq. If you really want to fight for your fellow americans you should expose the government that had prior knowlege of the attacks and still let them happen.

Peace

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[edit on 13/3/2007 by Mirthful Me]

apparently we only go to war for religion and power...kinda makes me sick..oh wait! no it does...
we should be fighting as a race...not as a country...cuz apparently we are so overwhelmed we forgot that our planet is dieing and we are still doing nothing about it

[edit on 3/13/2007 by kiliker30]

I didn't intend for this to become a debate; although, I don't mind if it does. Just try to keep it about the original video posted.

Thanks

Originally posted by Joshua Crick
I hope the majority of people here don't agree with this "American".

I do, but I'm not American. The US govt and the shadowy puppetmasters behind them are corrupt to the core. The American people on the other hand, I have no problem with. Very nice people.

That was a sickening video! That kind of mindless propaganda is utterly disgusting.

I liked the image bsbray11 posted; I think I’ll join in:



[edit on 13-3-2007 by VladTheImpaler]

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. "

"Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149
May 7, 1918


www.oldamericancentury.org...

[edit on 13-3-2007 by pai mei]

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by Joshua Crick
Then why don't you move. You aren't fit to be American.

It's this kind of mentality that lets governments get away with things like, killing millions of Jews, or staging terror attacks like 9-11. It's this kind of mentality that allows fascism to thrive.

Blind elegance (edit: obedience?) does not equal patriotic.

And who are you to say what 'being American' is? How about being a Human Being? I'm sick of this us and them mentality. Your great America was stolen and exploited, and not for your benefit either. You are just LUCKY to be here, no more no less.

I agree with ANOK on this, you cant just agree with what the leader says is right for your country. And frankly, thats what the terrorists are doing as well. So open your mind rather than keeping it shut to the idea that any idealogy than your own is correct.

While that video is about Afghanistan, I am going to post a link to an image from Iraq to point out the human suffering caused by this "War on Terror". BTW it's a bit graphic, and was originally from this thread.

Image files.abovetopsecret.com...

One should never blindly follow the leader of the country if they have doubts, or even ever.