UFO? Shape shifting worm like tube with strange light...

No but because you asked if it was a solar balloon he will be watching the video with that in his mind. So his inclinations will be based on whether he sees a balloon or not.

If you are interviewing a witness to a crime, and this witness saw who committed it, you cannot ask them questions such as "Did he have a scar?" or "Was she wearing a t-shirt?" because it leads them into questioning their own judgement and centering on yours. That's why police always say "what were they wearing?" or "Did they have any distinguishing features?" instead.

You should have asked in your email, I was just wondering if you would mind watching this video and then giving me your judgement on what the object in question is.

Originally posted by Springer

Originally posted by Starwatcher
This video has a worm in space that moves same way as one is this video.

video.google.com...

No doubt! It has a very similar "flashing light" as well...

WHAT THE HECK are these things?! Hopefully we'll have a better understanding by Friday night (our digital imaging experts will have the DVD with the original, un compressed file on it then).

Springer...

To me, this is clearly a metalic debris. There is a cuople of videos of such debris. What reflects as light is the sunlight. This metalic debris is most probably from shuttle.

Originally posted by shots


I just finished watching it for the 10th time and think I have figured out what it is. If you watch the object over and over you will see a pattern develop within the object. By that I mean the way it moves is consistent with get this a plane pulling a banner. Yup watch it over and over you too will be able to see it once you know what you are looking for

That explains why you only see the lights from one end because the pulling plane is always on the end.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Here are some screen-grabs I prepared. I'm still leaning toward some runaway terrestrial object, but these are at least interesting.

I think these photos clearly disproves the statements of Shots, arent they?



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Originally posted by nawkturn
Not an inch nearer to resembling a solar baloon. Look at the cute crawling like movements it makes. Damn this is one hellava thing that needs to be debugged. I am waiting for the results to come out. There are some space serpent recordings by NASA which I earlier saw on youtube. But that thing was crawling all over the empty space like a maggot. Scary stuff ...

Sorry, but I don't see any crawling, or much movement at all. In every respect, this looks like a balloon. It's movement, if any at all, is in no way anomalous. There is no evidence at all that it is intelligently piloted or controlled.

There is also not one single reference point in the whole video, so I can't tell if it's 200 feet or 200 miles away.

I consider it an IFO.

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Originally posted by disownedsky
There is also not one single reference point in the whole video, so I can't tell if it's 200 feet or 200 miles away.

Check out the full-length video: jagman-full.mov 9.3 MB
There are several zoom-in/out portions that help put the object in context. It's also clear that we're in "digital zoom" for most of the video.

I'm all still thinking it's a runaway or prank terrestrial object like a large solar balloon, or balloon arch of black balloons... but some portions of the video defy how an object like that might behave. On the other hand, there's no logic to any aircraft (extraterrestrial or otherwise) having this shape and motion either.

We need more people to see this and help form a collective opinion and hopefully nail down what it is.

Originally posted by Dr Love
Does anyone else who's followed this thread think we're being duped? Does anyone else think we're being steered towards a conclusion.

It's really obvious guys, you're not even good at it.

Peace

Why are you always spouting this idiocy? Every sighting that gets talked about here you claim "we" are steering or creating or some other such inane thing...

What's your problem? We don't need to steer anything and we certainly DON'T. Jagman shot a video, he reported here, he sent me the original data, I sent it to the experts, WHAT in that is "steering?

Do you think we shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion or something? Well too bad dude, we are members of this site too.

It's getting old and making you appear to be full of sour grapes or so full of yourself you can't see the forest for the trees.

Springer...

Yes Skeptic i did notice the second bright light further down the object towards the end of the footage when the object is upright. It doesn't seem as bright and I don't see it flash in the rest of the footage, surely we would have seen the other light all the way through the footage?, why does it only appear towards the end? With the object moving around so much i thought we would have seen it, it's almost as if it's been turned on towards the end there..

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Originally posted by disownedsky
There is also not one single reference point in the whole video, so I can't tell if it's 200 feet or 200 miles away.

Check out the full-length video: jagman-full.mov 9.3 MB
There are several zoom-in/out portions that help put the object in context. It's also clear that we're in "digital zoom" for most of the video.

I'm all still thinking it's a runaway or prank terrestrial object like a large solar balloon, or balloon arch of black balloons... but some portions of the video defy how an object like that might behave. On the other hand, there's no logic to any aircraft (extraterrestrial or otherwise) having this shape and motion either.

We need more people to see this and help form a collective opinion and hopefully nail down what it is.

From that, we can see that the object has quite a small angular size, althoguh the video is so compressed it's hard to make it out when zoomed out, and where you really need context, or at least some test images, is when you are zoomed in. From the haziness of the image, I would guess the altitude is fairly low and the distance is very roughly about 3 kilometers.

I don't see anything odd about the movement. The aspect is changing as the object moves around in the wind (it's clearly a high area-to-mass ratio object), and the camera is zooming and panning. Thee is some sort of small metallic object near one end that is flapping in the breeze, and its reflections are irregularly visible.

I've seen a couple of large balloon-like objects lately in the air near D.C. One of them even looked like it could be in restricted airspace. They've been almost invisible without binoculars, so I don't have good images,
but they took me by surprise when I noticed them. Thereir movement is nothing like balloons or planes. Maybe these hobby solar balloons are becoming more popular. Given the heavy air traffic around here (including AF-1), I would think this sort of thing would be strongly discouraged by the authorities.

Originally posted by Springer
Do you think we shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion or something? Well too bad dude, we are members of this site too.

It's getting old and making you appear to be full of sour grapes or so full of yourself you can't see the forest for the trees.

Springer...

Springer, I feel compelled to tell you exactly why I said what I did just so you understand where I'm coming from.

When I see a majority of posters in a thread such as this that are new, newish, or members who post very sparingly, my alarm goes off. I've said it before but this screams of sock puppets. There's not nearly enough established members chiming in on this. Maybe they're just not interested I don't know, but they sure as hell used to be a whole lot more interested, especially since the fact that this thread has been flagged over a hundred times. Who's doing all the flagging and for what, something that looks like a balloon??? This and the O'Hare thread are two of a kind, zero compelling evidence and chock full of newer members. I'm sorry but it stinks.

With all due respect, I have no sour grapes over anything in the past. You guys have been more than lenient with me over the years. I just don't like feeling like I'm being manipulated.

Peace

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Honestly, my first thought is a bunch of black helium balloons strung together with a shiny thing at one end.

Its a neat video. Its just too bad that you were just out of range to resolve its longitudinal features. That's unfortunate.

Whatever it was, it seemed to have a semi rigid structure. Fluid in air currents and yet some tensile resistance along the length. (I'm still thinking balloons tied together.)

Thanks for sharing this video.

Could we do frame interpolation using the shaking of the camera while handheld to try to increase the resolution?

Originally posted by Dr Love
Springer, I feel compelled to tell you exactly why I said what I did just so you understand where I'm coming from.

When I see a majority of posters in a thread such as this that are new, newish, or members who post very sparingly, my alarm goes off. I've said it before but this screams of sock puppets. There's not nearly enough established members chiming in on this. Maybe they're just not interested I don't know, but they sure as hell used to be a whole lot more interested, especially since the fact that this thread has been flagged over a hundred times. Who's doing all the flagging and for what, something that looks like a balloon??? This and the O'Hare thread are two of a kind, zero compelling evidence and chock full of newer members. I'm sorry but it stinks.

With all due respect, I have no sour grapes over anything in the past. You guys have been more than lenient with me over the years. I just don't like feeling like I'm being manipulated.

Peace

First off there are NO sock puppets (I've checked IPs) and if you think the staff here is using sockpuppets then you definitely don't understand what we are about, we don't use sockpuppets.

Your paranoia meter is way out of alignment. If you looked at the data you would see that since January, 2007 our new membership numbers have skyrocketed, traffic is at all time highs (millions of unique IPs a month).

O'hare was a NATIONAL STORY and when I went on Coast to Coast AM it brought thousands of people to the O'hare thread. It's all in the numbers.

I am insulted that you think we would waste our time trying to manipulate anyone with stuff like this, what's the point? The extra $0.20 per THOUSAND people?!

Your "feelings" are beyond our control, your thinking it "stinks" based on your uninformed assumptions and ignorance of how the website business works is no excuse for your snide insinuations and accusations.

Frankly, it's getting very old and as hard as we work to keep this site fresh and on top of the latest things of interest to our members we just don't need it.

Springer...


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Dr. Love, I don't disagree about the way some of these things appear with regards to new members and whatnot but in this case I see only two options.

1. The original poster saw someone else's solar ballon or other type object and, not knowing what it was, filmed it thinking he had a real ufo or other type mystery.

2. it's his balloon etc and he is pretending it isn't.

I honestly feel like this is a case of number 1 and I hope it isn't number two because, as we all know, number 2 stinks.

I don't think you can compare this "sighting" to O'hare as this is one guy who filmed something odd and O'Hare was a somewhat larger sighting by aviation knowledgeable types that has received nearly global attention.

Not quite the same thing.

Is O'Hare a hoax? I can't say it is but it would be one hell of a job well done if it was a hoax.

Originally posted by Crakeur
I honestly feel like this is a case of number 1 and I hope it isn't number two because, as we all know, number 2 stinks.

While I am not convinced I know what it is (not by a LONG SHOT) and won't be until we get the analysis of the data, I am TOTALLY CONVINCED of Jagman's HONESTY.

I've NEVER seen a hoaxer who was willing to send 100% of the RAW DATA, straight out of his camera (the media he recorded it on), to digital imaging experts before.

Oh, sure, I've seen them send selected PARTS of the raw data, but Jagman sent it all, audio as well as video, like I said, the actual mini-disc straight out of his camera.

On top of all of that, TRUST me when I tell you, Jagman has ZERO need for pulling a hoax. Let's just say his family history/success is ASTOUNDING.

Springer...

IMO, the longer you are here the easier it is to see thru a hoax and I will chime in and say that I never once considered this a hoax of any kind.

The OP saw something and made a video of it (a pretty good video). Now he would like some answers if possible.

Pretty simple.

Springer, I agree with you. I was merely having a little fun with words there. Give it a minute...#2 stinks?

yeah, potty humor but funny.

As I said, he seemed more surprised and excited over the unexplainable than adamant and cocksure and arrogant over the image itself, which is how most haoxers tend to react (TD, OTD, BR, VM, RD etc)

The area around Santa Monica and Wiltsure Blvd has quite a few car dealerships, which sometimes have these sort of balloons, as others have said.The OP shot this from that area....... Hmmmm.
I was thinking of emailing to perhaps find if they did loose any archway balloons that day but am afraid of coming across as a nut. This is very speculative but I would start with asking Buerge Motor Car Co.



I know that they do appear to be static in the sky but they could be travelling away from the cameras perspective, due to the pacific breeze perhaps? That flashing thing is very odd though.

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I admit I have not read every page of this thread, and maybe this was asked:

Did any media source pick up on a sighting in the area around this time. Or has it been talked about by anyone else?

Possibly a blog search for that date could pick up some news?

Seems like a largely populated area would have a few reports via the web about an object like that.

Springer

Funny you mentioned about the second light because I was just about to post that I saw that. Also, the lights arent what you would expect if you just attached a mirror of something reflective to the end, it has an almost electrified characteristic to it.

It could be a wind indicator for skydiving.

Similar sighting, also over Los Angeles

Jumpmasters tape three lengths of clotheshanger wire to the end of a crepe-paper streamer and throw it from the plane over the drop zone. When it lands, the pilot flies over the wind indicator and begins counting seconds as the plane flies back toward the drop zone. When the plane arrives over the first jumper's desired impact point on the drop zone, the pilot begins counting again until the plane has flown the same number of seconds as the inbound trip.

The pilot uses the point then directly beneath the plane as a reference, and that's where the first jumper exits when the jump run begins.

Sorry.

Found this LINK that give a K-12 version of solar bags and some of their uses. Anyone have any data on how rigid these things get and at what altitude they begin to maintain a constant shape?

Or even if they do? One of the images in the linky shows one of the things floating at 120,000 ft and it looks pretty firm - considering the kinds of winds at that altitude.

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