UFO? Shape shifting worm like tube with strange light...

Originally posted by mnmcandiez
You know, this looks really fake. I'm sorry but you're sure not fooling me. It looks like video editing, theres another color patch around the whole thing.

it could be, and thats why in the interest of open minded examination they are looking at the raw footage and from what we've seen of jritzman and his friends, if its fake, we'll know. from the bit of his work ive read in other threads, im not sure hollywood could one over on this guy.

but that begs the question, if its not faked, then what?

personally i cant wait to find out

wow very interesting for sure...

subscribed to see if anything comes of this

Can anyone find out what the weather was like in the area at the time the film was taken? Especially the wind speed and direction.

From what Jagman is saying he was looking North and the object came towards him.

Therefore, if it is some sort of unpowered 'balloon' type object the wind (at altitude) ought to have been blowing roughly from North to South.

Mudshark

I reserve judgment on speculating on what this object is, and will not try to debunk it in any way. I also do not think that its a hoax. However, I will provide a couple of observations:

* Object displays no intelligent locomotion-
Granted, it does move, but it does not seem to exhibit the qualities normally associated with choice of movement. Any sort of intelligent creature, or even a non-plant lower creature, would exhibit some control of its movements. Living creatures have basic reasons for being somewhere or doing something: hunting, gathering, eating, mating....something. If it were a craft of some form, the same would apply. It would have been there for a reason, doing something, and would have been moving under its own power to complete whatever it was doing.

* Object movement seems to be subject to air current-
If you watch, it twists, turns, loops, moves backward, etc. Its movement as the recording progresses seems to be the result of aircurrents that you would typically associate with a populated area. More updrafts here, some downdrafts there, a crosscurrent over here.

* The alleged "Light"-
Lights are on craft for a reason, communication, identification, to have visual contact, etc. Communication lights have identifiable patterns, they aren't just random and occasional. For identification or visual contact purposes, they are static (constant) or intermittent, which means that they blink at regular intervals. In This "light" does none of the above, which suggests that it is not a light at all, but a reflection from another source, such as the sun.


I also think that this reply has some merit:

Originally posted by saint4God
Many have put in some great theories as to what it is, but I think it's safe to say some of the things that it is not...

1.) Intelligent Alien Life. If you're capable of transplanetary travel, would you hang out in a black floaty thing above a city?
2.) Military secret project. If you ran a military base, would you conduct your secret experiements in a black floaty thing above a city?
3.) A complete solid. The movement with the air-currents suggest it does not have any form of a rigid structue.
4.) Technologimicable. FAA and military aviation would have seen a blip and been all over that bugger if it showed on radar.

they sometimes take their time and explain weather and such.

I remember one time they talked about the wind and how it can act differently at different altitudes, ie. blowing one way at low altitudes and the other way at higher altitudes.
By which you can't step outside and conclude that because the wind is north south at ground level it is the same at the height of that object.

I on the side of that experimental tube balloon posted earlier or something similar.

[edit on 12/3/07 by flice]

OK, now that I have seen those solar balloons I think it was one of those and not a balloon string.

Explaining better what I think, I think it is a solar balloon tethered by both ends, one of them not exactly at the end, creating that little bend.

As for the size, one of those videos posted by Xanfalcon says it is 15 metres long.

At some frames it looks like we can see the strings, but it may be just a result of the compression.

On one occasion, the light, that I think is the Sun reflecting on something, looks like it catches the string on that end and that is why the light looks long.

Let's wait for the expert's analysis.

I'm in favour of the Solar Balloon theory. The light source may be nothing more technical than a cd tied loosely to one end of the balloon.

Great video whatever the outcome!

Ok. I just got off of the phone with Peter Davenport of the National UFO Reporting Center. He says he is 99% sure that it is a string of balloons floating in the wind, possibly caught in a thermal. He also says, "But we will never know for sure, will we?"

So, there you go. I vote balloons.

[edit on 12-3-2007 by ParanormalNewsNet]

Originally posted by ParanormalNewsNet
Ok. I just got off of the phone with Peter Davenport of the National UFO Reporting Center. He says he is 99% sure that it is a string of balloons floating in the wind, possibly caught in a thermal. He also says, "But we will never know for sure, will we?"

So, there you go. I vote balloons.

[edit on 12-3-2007 by ParanormalNewsNet]

Hate to but down NURC lol, but if you filter out everything but the shape ad track the movements you will see it is far to Fluid to be a string of tightly wrapped balloons. They do not move in a snake like fashion, they are too close together Show how the Solar Balloon and see if he has a change of heart.

Well, I'm only stating what one of the experts in UFOlogy has determined it is.

Perception is definately reality.

IMHO - the objects " shape changeing " properties are being over hyped

look at 1:12 onwards -

there the right hand extremity clearly flexes - while the left hand tail remains the same - it is flexing only - if it ws rotating the tail at the left would shrink

but at seveal later points , it seems to me that the APPARENT change of shape is more duue to roll , pitch and yaw , than real change of shape

its shape is constantly changing - i do not deny that - but its shape changes are as i state more from attitude changes .


just my 0.02 groats YMMV

Originally posted by flice
they sometimes take their time and explain weather and such.

I remember one time they talked about the wind and how it can act differently at different altitudes, ie. blowing one way at low altitudes and the other way at higher altitudes.
By which you can't step outside and conclude that because the wind is north south at ground level it is the same at the height of that object.

I on the side of that experimental tube balloon posted earlier

or something similar.

[edit on 12/3/07 by flice]

Well, what if the object was flying through clouds, going the opposite direction that the clouds are moving?

Originally posted by ParanormalNewsNet
Well, I'm only stating what one of the experts in UFOlogy has determined it is.

Exactly what credentials qualify someone to be an expert in UFOlogy?

I can understand that some people might be experts on videos, photgraphs, sound, burns, etc... But what credentials does a person need to be an expert about UFOs?

Originally posted by ParanormalNewsNet
Ok. I just got off of the phone with Peter Davenport of the National UFO Reporting Center. He says he is 99% sure that it is a string of balloons floating in the wind, possibly caught in a thermal. He also says, "But we will never know for sure, will we?"

So, there you go. I vote balloons.

[edit on 12-3-2007 by ParanormalNewsNet]

Since when is Davenport an expert on ANYTHING? I have received more negative feedback about that guy than just about anyone I've ever received negative feedback about.

It has been said that he turfs everything and rarely (if ever) collaborates with anyone.

In any case, when we have the data we'll analyze it, I am 99% certain that its NOT a string of balloons, that's just laughable after all the evidence our Members have posted about solar bags.

If it's any type of "balloon" I think the solar bags look the closest to it. I still have issues with the way it moves around (dances) and how it maintained that elevation for so long.

Springer...

[edit on 3-12-2007 by Springer]

If it was a string of baloons, there would be humps along the edges. No matter how far away it is, when it is zoomed in that much and with (thankfully) a good quality camera, you would see at least some indication of several balloons.

The object is smooth along the edges which means that it is just one object. And if you watch the way it moves when it 'slithers' it looks the same way underwater worms or snakes do, in that its body moves in one fluid motion. Wind couldn't do something like that to a large balloon.

Originally posted by Springer


In any case, when we have the data we'll analyze it, I am 99% certain that its NOT a string of balloons, that's just laughable after all the evidence our Members have posted about solar bags.

If it's any type of "balloon" I think the solar bags look the closest to it. I still have issues with the way it moves around (dances) and how it maintained that elevation for so long.

Springer...

I think the dancing and staying in one place are solved if it's tethered in one or two places and is on a line that is either released or breaks at the end of the tape. Think "kite"...the way they move around on the line in wind gusts. Only it's a wind sock kite or a tubular balloon sort of thing on a tether being flown like a kite.

Originally posted by Tom Bedlam


I think the dancing and staying in one place are solved if it's tethered in one or two places and is on a line that is either released or breaks at the end of the tape. Think "kite"...the way they move around on the line in wind gusts. Only it's a wind sock kite or a tubular balloon sort of thing on a tether being flown like a kite.

I considered that as well but, again, the thing does "end over ends" which defies being tied, not to mention that was one HELL of a roll of kite string!

I just don't see it as being tethered BUT the beauty of our expert analysts is if there is a monofilament or any other string/tether their multi thousand dollar software will FIND IT.

That's why I always preach about getting the data.

Springer...

I live in the Los Angeles area and I have seen this exact thing up in the sky. I am 90% sure those are balloons on a string with a metallic object tied to the end. There are dozens of auto places around that have baloons on strings tied down in their lots as some form of decoration. I would not be surprised if this was a normal balloon sighting from a distance.

While the Solar Balloon seems the most plausible explanation, a few things bother me about watching the video. Perhaps if we had some video of a tethered balloon as a reference, it might solve some of my "issues".

If this in fact a solar balloon, then wouldn't the tube be relatively stiff longitudinally (given that it's pressurized) and be inclined to remain sausage shaped?

If this balloon was only slightly pressurized, wouldn't it kink and collapse in certain places rather than form smooth curves?

I was thinking of a party animal balloon as an example when trying to think of the flight dynamics.

While I tend to agree that this thing is of terrestrial origins, it's movement still has me mystified.

Still, the comments and analysis here is really impressive and I look forward to hearing about the utlimate review of the RAW images...

Well either way, thanks to Jags post of it I was able to see my first UFO that apparently other people have seen as well. I have no idea what is in that video and will from this day forward will never ever criticize what other people claim to have seen. I just think that there is some strange stuff going on around LA right now. I'm keeping my eyes peeled and my cameras charged NO JOKE!