Got my new AK-47!

Originally posted by PuRe EnErGy
I think the same law should apply to gun owners as do the taser owners of indiana...

you must have one used on you before you can purchase/own one yourself...

I think people shouldn't own a gun if they don't hunt animals for FOOD.
Sure we could argue that you're not going to hurt anyone.......
What use is it? .. a tool of hobby? necessity ..?
Protection? ...
Sure guns are great, I've used tonnes of em... but I go hunting, and I eat what I kill, and I don't plan on pulling a Dick Cheney... I don't even own a gun anymore, when I stopped hunting I got rid of them, that and Canadian gun laws changed..
Whats the need to promote gun use more than it already is?
a sense of glee? or recognition? ..

First and foremost is self defense. Where I live police response is twenty minutes away. And I live in a city, not out in the country someplace. I do not understand people who do not get the concept that an armed populace is a greater deterrent to crime than a police force is. THE CRIMINALS WILL ALWAYS BE ARMED. Why shouldn't the intended victims be armed as well?

The bonus is that when the bad guys have lured our armed forces to the four corners of the Muslim world and the invaders start pouring in from Mexico that they will not be met by an unarmed citizenry.

I am glad that you ate what you killed because it really gives gun owners and "sportsmen" a bad image when somebody just kills for a trophy.

I would make it a law that hunting licenses are only issued to folks who make less than 15,000 dollars a year with priority going to Native Americans. These are the people who need the food. Not some millionaire trophy hunter.



[edit on 3-13-2007 by groingrinder]

I was about to get into this debate forming here... But this is a weapons forum. Not a forum on your thoughts about the right to bear arms. I started a thread here where you can try to preach to us Americans about our backwards right to bear arms.

*PEACE*

Originally posted by PuRe EnErGy
so because its in the constitution means its okay?
[edit on 3/13/2007 by PuRe EnErGy]

Oh geez.... do I really have to answer this, are you that dull?

YES!!!

Since the constitution is the basis on which we have built our country, I would say yes. You cant pick and choose what parts of the constitution suits you and throw the rest out.

Congratulations on the AK! Everyone should have an AK. One AK for every member of a household at least.

In CT we cant have have AK's. At least not one in 7.62x39. Dont ask why. The answer will make your head explode.

So I got a Mini-30 and a Saiga AK variant in .308. Im pacified but not satisfied.
Ive been stockpiling 7.62's and Im going to continue buying up .308 versions of the AK as money permits basically for spite's sake.

I hate CT soooooooo much.

Originally posted by magicmushroom
Xphiles I must admit that the comments re your new gun seem a bit sick, can I ask why you would want such a weapon in the first place and secondly dont tens of thousands of your fellow citizens die from guns each year in the US.

What exactly about my statements are sick in your view? you completely lost me here.


I wanted the gun for sport and or defense if I ever needed it.

and

No, about 1500 people die from gunshots every year here in the US, not thousands. More people are killed by cars each year than by guns and very view are by responsible gun owners.

Now, criminals who obtain guns shipped into the US illegaly because of lax borders are the majority of the people who commit crimes with guns.

So, if you want to reduce gun related crimes, you would have better luck if you sealed the border, especially the one with Mexico.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Congratulations on the AK! Everyone should have an AK. One AK for every member of a household at least.

In CT we cant have have AK's. At least not one in 7.62x39. Dont ask why. The answer will make your head explode.

So I got a Mini-30 and a Saiga AK variant in .308. Im pacified but not satisfied.
Ive been stockpiling 7.62's and Im going to continue buying up .308 versions of the AK as money permits basically for spite's sake.

I hate CT soooooooo much.

thanks, and yes, liberals who know zip about guns making gun laws cracks me up.

They dont allow AKs chambered in 7.62x39mm, but they allow one chambered in .308?same size bullet with more power behind it? :shk:

thats why anti-gun liberals should not be allowed to pass gun laws, they are absolutely clueless.

I live in the US and I didnt need any license. its a semi-auto rifle so its completely legal.

Depends where you live.
I live in NJ, which has a statewide AWB, so no AK's for me.
Even an M1A is considered an "assault rifle" here due to the magazine capacity.

Actually my old JC Higgins .22 is considered an assault rifle for the same reason - it has a tubular magazine under the barrel.

However my M1 and SKS's are still OK here, for now.

Xphilesphan .. I think I misspelled that..

Do you have to be 21 to own a semi auto rifle?

I turn 21 in about 3 months, so it wouldn't matter either way, just curious.

Originally posted by groingrinder

First and foremost is self defense. Where I live police response is twenty minutes away. And I live in a city, not out in the country someplace. I do not understand people who do not get the concept that an armed populace is a greater deterrent to crime than a police force is. THE CRIMINALS WILL ALWAYS BE ARMED. Why shouldn't the intended victims be armed as well?

The bonus is that when the bad guys have lured our armed forces to the four corners of the Muslim world and the invaders start pouring in from Mexico that they will not be met by an unarmed citizenry.

I am glad that you ate what you killed because it really gives gun owners and "sportsmen" a bad image when somebody just kills for a trophy.

I would make it a law that hunting licenses are only issued to folks who make less than 15,000 dollars a year with priority going to Native Americans. These are the people who need the food. Not some millionaire trophy hunter.



[edit on 3-13-2007 by groingrinder]

Thanks groingrinder and lost sailor,

I do live in a small town, and I mean SMALL, 1500 people. We dont even have a sheriff. Well, we do, but he is dispathced from a town 15 miles away. I live in a very rural area, crime rate is low, but we are very independant.

I do hunt, but I always follow what I was taught. A "code of the hunter" if you will:

1. always eat what you kill, never be wasteful.

2. never take more game than what you can use.

3. Trophies are not the object of hunting, they come secondary.

and pretty much follow common sense and the hunting laws, .

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Xphilesphan .. I think I misspelled that..

Do you have to be 21 to own a semi auto rifle?

I turn 21 in about 3 months, so it wouldn't matter either way, just curious.

nope. Unless your state laws are different the general rule of thumb is 18 for long-guns, thats your rifles or shotguns and my state, indiana, makes no distinction betweeen "Assualt" rifles and bolt action ones.

And 21 for handguns.

If you are thinkinmg of purchasing your first gun, good for you!

enjoy the expierence!

Originally posted by xmotex

I live in the US and I didnt need any license. its a semi-auto rifle so its completely legal.

Depends where you live.
I live in NJ, which has a statewide AWB, so no AK's for me.
Even an M1A is considered an "assault rifle" here due to the magazine capacity.

Actually my old JC Higgins .22 is considered an assault rifle for the same reason - it has a tubular magazine under the barrel.

However my M1 and SKS's are still OK here, for now.

right, I live in indiana so its no big deal. We dont have an AWB, unless its passed on the federal level and I think that only pertains to imports.

Well, you dould always become a resident of another state. .

I am..

I have experience with a .22m rifle, but when I moved out I could no longer shoot it at my dads farm.

I also used to have a 12 gauge shotgun, pump. That was along time ago, back when I was about 12-15 something like that..

I would like to buy an AK or an AR-15 to go to shooting ranges and use for practice.. I am in Ohio and I am certain those guns are legal now. I know Ohio is making changes to its concealment laws as well, we will now be able to drive with hand guns, visibly. It is currently stated that you have to have it locked up, the new law removes the locking up bit.. no point in having a gun in your car for protection if you have to whip out a key and unlock it, load the magazine then try and fire at the man trying to car jack you.. pull your wife out .. kid out.. you never know what psychotic creeps will do these days, completely out of control. If people know there are those armed, I think they will be less inclined to try and commit crimes. Right after the concealment law was passed here, there was a case just a few weeks after of a man walking downtown at night by himself, 3 guys jumped at him all bearing guns.. he shot 2 and hit I believe like 6 times and got away to call the police.. the found the creeps trying to get into the emergency room.

I don't understand the liberal stance that criminals should be protected. and if some nut case kid wants to start killing people, a big knife or sword will do the job just as well... should we be like the UK and start knife amnesty programs! please..

Originally posted by magicmushroom
Xphiles I must admit that the comments re your new gun seem a bit sick, can I ask why you would want such a weapon in the first place and secondly dont tens of thousands of your fellow citizens die from guns each year in the US.

magicmushroom, the debate is on another thread. Here you go

Originally posted by LostSailor
I was about to get into this debate forming here... But this is a weapons forum. Not a forum on your thoughts about the right to bear arms. I started a thread here where you can try to preach to us Americans about our backwards right to bear arms.

*PEACE*

Since this seems to be the angle attempting to take over and make us feel guilty about who we are as a nation..I am going to post about what happened in the Supreme Court concerning Washingtion DC.

THe Courts struck down WAshington DCs ban on private ownership of handguns as unconstitutional.

I am curious as to what is going to happen when the court decision concerning WAshingtion DCs ban against handguns in private ownership being unconstitutional finally takes place. Or if it will even take place. I understand the City of Washington DC is going to appeal it. Crime and personal assaults are very high in WAshington DC. Break ins etc etc. Alot of wildlife there which is ironic for a city which is a Capitol City for a nation. You would think that the powers concerned would be more effective in handling it. Not so.

Anyway...if the ruling goes through to effectiveness after appeal....I am very curious to see if this type of crime will begin to fall. Also curious to see if the media will avoid the topic or sensationalize it for ratings.

The city has been a mess up to now for the citizens living there in certain areas. Little done about it for years and years now. Can the citizens do what the government can obviously not do.
And when and if they do it ..to where will these criminal types migrate??

Nonetheless it is going to be a intresting study.

Thanks,
Orangetom

OMG

Xphilesphan has gone and bought a Soviet rifle favoured by Muslim extremists.

What happened to the Uzi? Why'd you decide against it?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Jimmy1880
OMG

Xphilesphan has gone and bought a Soviet rifle favoured by Muslim extremists.

What happened to the Uzi? Why'd you decide against it?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I wouldnt give you 2 cents for a UZI. I'd rather have my 12 gauge pump than a UZI. My pump is far more useful and versatile. Probably more effective range than a UZI too.

The other thing about the AK rifle is that like my SKS rifles the ammunition is quite common and inexpensive. A huge plus for any tool like this.

YOu do know that most of these Muslim Extreamists cant shoot worth a darn no matter what they are using...right??? Why do you think the prefered most effective weapon of these Extreamists is the IED or the "Not so smart bomb. Think about what this means in the small arms field.

Try some thinking about what is not included on the television news formats or the newspaper/public education. Also leave out the drama techniques.

And XphilesPhan...keep them in the X ring.

Thanks,
Orangetom

Thanks orangetom, I will.

yeah, the Uzi was a bad investment. It would have cost me more than double for alot less firepower. And as Orangetom metioned, the ammunition is cheap and plentiful.

I know the muslims use it, but what can you expect from one of the most widely proliferated weapons of all time?

I also have a fondness for soviet/russian weapons. I have an SKS as well as my new AK.

Originally posted by C0le
An armed man is a free man.

Can I get an Amen!

Originally posted by PuRe EnErGy
I think the same law should apply to gun owners as do the taser owners of indiana...

you must have one used on you before you can purchase/own one yourself...

I think people shouldn't own a gun if they don't hunt animals for FOOD.
Sure we could argue that you're not going to hurt anyone.......
What use is it? .. a tool of hobby? necessity ..?
Protection? ...
Sure guns are great, I've used tonnes of em... but I go hunting, and I eat what I kill, and I don't plan on pulling a Dick Cheney... I don't even own a gun anymore, when I stopped hunting I got rid of them, that and Canadian gun laws changed..
Whats the need to promote gun use more than it already is?
a sense of glee? or recognition? ..

Criminals do not abide by gun laws so why prevent them from being in the hands of a lawful citizen? Do you think the criminals in the UK or other restrictive countries, obey gun laws? They know they have an advantage if they carry a firearm.

Remember Hurricane Katrina???? Thugs everywhere running around shooting unarmed people. Those with arms were able to protect themselves until Uncle Sam came knocking an illegally attempted to confiscate arms from lawful citizens staying in their homes. The NRA and GOA are pursuing that infringement on the 2nd amendment as I type.

Personally I like the comfort knowing I can protect myself, my spouse, and my children if the need should occur. Can't count on a policeman to be in your home when someone is about to harm your family. Self defense in my opinion is a far greater reason to own arms than to just go hunting.

My state allows conceal carry after obtaining a license. It's called the Oklahoma Self Defense Act. Now if you are joe blow bad guy, you may have a second thought before car jacking or holding a person up in my state. We have laws that protect the citizen and allow a person to use deadly force if they believe their life is in danger.

So ask yourself, what are you going to protect yourself and your family if you are ever confronted by a criminal seeking to harm or kill you? I'm sure you will find any anti gun bias you have will vanish and you will wish you owned one.

One of the highest areas of violent crime has been in our nations capitol. Guess what, they have had some of the most strict gun laws in the USA. Just last week an appeals court overturned the gun ban in DC. It will be interesting to track and watch as crime goes down. It will also be interesting to see how anti-gun lobbyist try to explain why crime is lower with guns being allowed in DC again...

On a sad note, with Democrats back in power a new Assault Rifle Ban is being introduced by Mrs. MCCARTHY of New York. the bill is HR1022. The list is much more comprehensive than the previous ban that was allowed to drop dead. Write your senators and tell them not to allow this one on the floor and to kill it in committee. If any Democrat or Rudy wins the 08 election, they will sign any anti-gun law that crosses their desk. God please give us a good candidate for 08 because it is looking very bleak right now.

OBTW nice looking AK. I believe the Romanian is a little cheaper due to quality of the receiver. The Yugoslavian is a little more expensive but more desireable.

Originally posted by XphilesPhan
Thanks orangetom, I will.

yeah, the Uzi was a bad investment. It would have cost me more than double for alot less firepower. And as Orangetom metioned, the ammunition is cheap and plentiful.

I know the muslims use it, but what can you expect from one of the most widely proliferated weapons of all time?

I also have a fondness for soviet/russian weapons. I have an SKS as well as my new AK.

I also have a fondness for Russian hardware. I have a 1941 and 1944 91/30 Mosin Nagants. The 7.62x54 round is a really sweet round. While not quite Russian, I have a Yugo SKS that's a real good shooter. I've been eyeballing the AK but looking for a semi with more power behind hit. Panther .308's have got my attention but are high dollar!