The sun is pregnant!

Originally posted by grover
you are totally wrong... the accepted model has the sun's role as only providing the gravity to hold the various bits of rock and dust and ice in a general orbit; its actually their own gravitional fields that attract them to each other and either pull them apart again or hold them together.

Hi Grover
To who did you answer?

You say it yourself the accepted model....well the accepted model changes every year as new information comes to light about our precious sun and I believe they are still scratching the surface about how the sun actually works etc.
The sun freaking accounts for 99,8% of the total mass of our solar system
planets, asteroids, meteoroids, comets and dust including!

Nando out!

Hi Sleeper,
If the sun gives birth would that be a Gala event ?

Originally posted by sherpa
Hi Sleeper,
If the sun gives birth would that be a Gala event ?

Hi sherpa,

Yes, but not necessarily for humans, who would scratch their heads for a long time and then try to make it fit into the general beliefs that have been perpetrated for the last few decades.

The trauma that would ensue if the common person found out that few if anyone on this planet know diddly squat of what is going on concerning physics and astronomy---and much of anything else---it would not be a pretty picture.

So for our protection this crazy stuff needs a tight lid over it---

You know that's exactly the answer I was hoping for, so is the audience gathering soon or are they already here ?

Regards

Originally posted by sleeper

So for our protection this crazy stuff needs a tight lid over it---

This might be a good place to mention that Beta testing is complete on the Official John Lear/ATS Tin Foil Hat and we expect to have them on sale at the Bay Area UFO Expo in San Jose August 25th and 26th.

Of course, no longer will I be able to claim that I am not "selling anything or making a profit on this UFO stuff".

The first Official John Lear/ATS Tin Foil Hat (release 1.0) will be presented gratis to Sleeper for all the work he has done in this field and to show our appreciation for his tireless and gracious efforts. :

Originally posted by sherpa
You know that's exactly the answer I was hoping for, so is the audience gathering soon or are they already here ?
Regards

There are many dignitaries in town and more on the way, but not sure what the occasion is and if there is more than one event going on---which is rare----every available “space” is booked up as far away as Alpha Centauri.

Just kidding on that last part---


There is so much space out there that it’s freaking mind boggling what can hide up there.

Too few people on earth can grasp just how big space really is from down here---and apparently for most, the human mind doesn’t stretch enough for the hidden wonders of space to fit in it.---How sad.

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by sleeper

So for our protection this crazy stuff needs a tight lid over it---

The first Official John Lear/ATS Tin Foil Hat (release 1.0) will be presented gratis to Sleeper for all the work he has done in this field and to show our appreciation for his tireless and gracious efforts. :

Hi John,

Tireless is right, sleeper and yourself have got to be getting something out of this to be unswervingly answering hundreds of questions like this, I think I would have retired graciously ages ago.
I must admit though I find some of sleepers answers exactly to the point and at other times a little to oblique.
And as an aside I am beginning to share the frustration of dealing with space agencies such as NASA and ESA, if I was sceptical at first about the secrecy than I am a convert now.
Oh and has foil Ever been made out of tin ?

Originally posted by johnlear
The first Official John Lear/ATS Tin Foil Hat (release 1.0) will be presented gratis to Sleeper for all the work he has done in this field and to show our appreciation for his tireless and gracious efforts. :

Wow John I’m touched!---yeah I know most people already knew that---

Anyway, cool, not sure that I can be in San Jose during that time so how do I get my hat?

BTW, Milton thinks it’s all a ploy to block him out---I assured him it wasn’t and told him we could take turns wearing it, which seemed to make him happy

By Johnlear:
This might be a good place to mention that Beta testing is complete on the Official John Lear/ATS Tin Foil Hat and we expect to have them on sale at the Bay Area UFO Expo in San Jose August 25th and 26th.

Hi John, Are you making any claims on what these hats are supposed to do for the buyer? I mean apart from the appearance aspect!

Originally posted by sleeper

Anyway, cool, not sure that I can be in San Jose during that time so how do I get my hat?

No problem Sleeper. You don't have to be in San Jose. I will send it by Fedex as soon as the initial batch come in and are inspected. We were originally going to put the in a booklet but have decided to combine warranty, guarantee, and operating instructions on a CD.

I'm not sure you and Milton would enjoy the Expo because there will be mostly a bunch of UFO nuts there.

I just got back from Zorgons where we finalized the sash design for the abovetopsecret.com Bay Area UFO Expo Beauty Contest. Its black lettering on a white sash that says:

ABOVETOPSECRET.COM
bayareaufoexpo.com
Beauty Contestant

I will be personally handing out the sashs to those beauties who I feel are up to abovetopsecret.com standards of excellence.

The contest will be judged by Me, Springer, Dave and Johnny after the Banquet Saturday night.

Hi Sleeper, how are you.

“The sun is pregnant!”
Allemachtig [Dutch expression for amazement] this is really Earth-shattering, I never ever expected that someone come forward with such an theory, its mind-boggling for me.
I am thunderstruck, and I wander how our scientists react on such a statement?

The only way to have real success in science ... is to describe the evidence very carefully without regard to the way you feel it should be. If you have a theory, you must try to explain what's good about it and what's bad about it equally. In science you learn a kind of standard integrity and honesty. — Richard Feynman

source: www.giss.nasa.gov...


I have just downloaded [to read them] all your answers from your thread “I’m coming clean on Extraterrestrials” and by doing that I come to this thread.

You said,

Originally posted by sleeper
I believe all the moons have their origin in the Oort Cloud as fragments of larger bodies that exploded and ricochet back towards the inner solar system. Pluto may be such a moon searching for a home.

If that’s so, than before they became moons, the original shape of those fragments of larger bodies must be very capricious [I hope that’s the right word for it], how then became the shape of all the moons except those of Mars so perfectly round like a marble?

Originally posted by sleeper
The moon is a perfect fit for earth, too perfect to have happened mearly by chance, which is another subject entirely

Maybe that is your next Earth-shattering tread?
Because I think I know what mean by that.

Is Venus pulled out of its orbit around the planet Uranus by the Destroyer Comet?


[edit on 4/8/07 by spacevisitor]

[edit on 4/8/07 by spacevisitor]

[edit on 4/8/07 by spacevisitor]

Hey Sleeper

Thanks for a great OP and continued posts throughout the thread

Seems the naysayers and trolls have dropped off now, which has got to be a good thing

Whilst what you propose is at first read, bordering on the unbelievable, re-reading several times, combined with reading your other comments and reading links that others have posted to "reputable" scientific sources, your idea is in no way as strange as some believe

Personally, I'm on the fence as far as "the electric universe" goes, but put it this way, before your OP, I was so far on the mainstream side it wasn't funny

Thanks for opening my mind, I really do appreciate it

Things are certainly not what they seem in the universe, to be sure

Peace

Originally posted by spacevisitor
Hi Sleeper, how are you.

“The sun is pregnant!”
Allemachtig [Dutch expression for amazement] this is really Earth-shattering, I never ever expected that someone come forward with such an theory, its mind-boggling for me.
I am thunderstruck, and I wander how our scientists react on such a statement?

Hi spacevisitor,
I don’t think our scientists would be happy about it because it contradicts everything most of them believe.

Is Venus pulled out of its orbit around the planet Uranus by the Destroyer Comet?

Destroyer comet?

Originally posted by Rilence
Hey Sleeper

Thanks for a great OP and continued posts throughout the thread

Seems the naysayers and trolls have dropped off now, which has got to be a good thing

Hi Rilence

Yeah, but the “Inquisition” still got the mods to move this thread to skunkworks because it threatened their belief system---rocked their boat, and they got their way, that’s all they wanted----

I guess that’s how denying ignorance works for some---shut out competing ideas---lol

Whilst what you propose is at first read, bordering on the unbelievable, re-reading several times, combined with reading your other comments and reading links that others have posted to "reputable" scientific sources, your idea is in no way as strange as some believe

Waking up the mind is never easy, and it usually happens with stuff that makes people rethink everything

Personally, I'm on the fence as far as "the electric universe" goes, but put it this way, before your OP, I was so far on the mainstream side it wasn't funny

Everything is electrical in this universe but I’m not a “proponent” of the “Electric Universe” theory because I’m not sure what it is about and haven’t yet found the time to read up on it.

Originally posted by spacevisitor
Is Venus pulled out of its orbit around the planet Uranus by the Destroyer Comet?

Originally posted by sleeper
Destroyer comet?

Hi Sleeper,

The history of the Destroyer Comet as claimed is as follows,

Millions of years ago a sun went Nova (exploded) and pulled into itself and throwing/ pushing the surrounding planets and debris out into space. The sun collapsed into herself tearing a hole in space.
One of the fragments (ca 1.72x mass /size of earth). that was to be the "destroyer" was blown/thrown away, as a dark star, that travels for millions of years in space and comes ultimately into our sun system.

• Around 8239 B.C. it passes closely by Earth and causes the Atlantic ocean to part.
• ca.6000 B.C. Venus is pulled out of its orbit around the planet Uranus by the Destroyer Comet and comes in orbit around the sun.
• 5981 B.C. The Destroyer Comet comes close to Earth, causing great destruction. It also changes the orbit of Venus.

This must be familiar to you, because I have mentioned it in a U2U I have send you once.
It is the legends of the destroyer that is behind the talk of Nibiru/12th planet.
I can impossible say that this is true or not, I can only rely on the honesty of this source as much as I rely total on the honesty of your answers to me.

Sleeper -

The things you refer to are a near perfect fit for the Electric Universe/Plasma Cosmology theory/theories. You really should take awhile to read up on the basic premise...it will likely "hit a nerve' with you.

Spacevisitor...where did you get your informaiton, and can you expand?

Originally posted by spacevisitor
This must be familiar to you, because I have mentioned it in a U2U I have send you once.
It is the legends of the destroyer that is behind the talk of Nibiru/12th planet.
I can impossible say that this is true or not, I can only rely on the honesty of this source as much as I rely total on the honesty of your answers to me.

Hi spacevisitor,

That’s a big applecart for me to comment on for now---

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Sleeper -

The things you refer to are a near perfect fit for the Electric Universe/Plasma Cosmology theory/theories. You really should take awhile to read up on the basic premise...it will likely "hit a nerve' with you.

I hope I can finagle some time to do that tex---thanks!

You'll find this week's top space story a little at odds with your beliefs, I think.

www.space.com...

[edit on 30-8-2007 by Spanish_Inquisitor]

Originally posted by Spanish_Inquisitor

You'll find this week's top space story a little at odds with your beliefs, I think.

www.space.com...

I think I'll stick with Sleepers explanation. This story (Major Planet Formation Mystery Solved) has to be the epitome of scientifically convoluted, tortuous, self-gratificationally hypothesized bs.

Even the word 'proposed' in place of 'solved' might have helped. But not much.

One more of these Spanish_Inquisitor and I would respectfully suggest that you find elsewhere to post. Thanks.