Zapruder frames show driver killed JFK

Originally posted by jblaze
Maybe I'm seeing things.

That, my friend, is a pretty safe bet. The Zapruder film has been analysed and digitized and checked and double-checked a thousand times in the last 40+ years. Do you really think that something that obvious would get overlooked?

E. Howard Hunts son came out in early April and said his father told him it was LBJ and a couple of rogue CIA agents. There was a shooter on the grassy knoll, it was a french assassin dressed in a police uniform.
I don't see the driver making this shot. People are looking for something that is not there. First two shots were from Oswald, but the last fatal shot was the french assassin.

Originally posted by BartIV
E. Howard Hunts son came out in early April and said his father told him it was LBJ and a couple of rogue CIA agents. There was a shooter on the grassy knoll, it was a french assassin dressed in a police uniform.
I don't see the driver making this shot. People are looking for something that is not there. First two shots were from Oswald, but the last fatal shot was the french assassin.

If you want to kill someone, like a president. You leave no room for error. That involves multiple shooters, multiple plans of action, leaving little to zero room for error of the main mission, the murder.

So yeah Hunt's claim adds credibility to a government coverup, CIA involvement headed by LBJ, and a gives a name for the guy who was shooting from the grassy knoll...

Regardless, one shooter for this event is not enough, even two or three, or four (as shown by the actual number of shots heard, and the resulting damage from misses and hits).

Anyone really think that during this time, they took turns taking shots? OR multiple people fired at the same time from different locations. (ie simply put 1,2,3 shot, 1,2,3 shot, 1,2,3 shot, 3-4 people shooting on 3, just a thought)

If you attempt it, you need to accomplish the mission, at any means. If plan A fails, then theres plan b, then c, as long as it is accomplished.

If anything the driver slowed down, looked back twice, which is against training. The looking back at the exact moment of the headshot is suspect. Why was the passanger SS so calm, not reacting, not diving into the back onto the president? Why not speed away at the moment of first gunfire.

The driver should have not looked back, but speed away. The Passanger SS should have gotten off his fat, looking quite calm ass, and jumped into the back, to take bullets (ie their supposed creed to fame).

Slow down, wait for head shot, then speed away after the headshot is confirmed??? Okay...

In terms of the Driver turning around, I can see why this would make sense, when compared with witness testimony regarding the driver having a gun. I mean, he breaks training, turns around twice, and slows down...

If it was a reflection of the bald and calm SS next to him, then he was waiting for the confirmation of headshot to speed away... Simple as day...

The real problem with all of this, is well its quite evident that it was a coverup, and we are hear bickering about how it was done.. Instead of saying how we "battle" those who did this, and are in power today.







[edit on 11-5-2007 by squidboy]

Originally posted by squidboy

If you want to kill someone, like a president. You leave no room for error. That involves multiple shooters, multiple plans of action, leaving little to zero room for error of the main mission, the murder.

If you attempt it, you need to accomplish the mission, at any means. If plan A fails, then theres plan b, then c, as long as it is accomplished.

If anything the driver slowed down, looked back twice, which is against training. The looking back at the exact moment of the headshot is suspect. Why was the passanger SS so calm, not reacting, not diving into the back onto the president? Why not speed away at the moment of first gunfire.

The driver should have not looked back, but speed away. The Passanger SS should have gotten off his fat, looking quite calm ass, and jumped into the back, to take bullets (ie their supposed creed to fame).

Slow down, wait for head shot, then speed away after the headshot is confirmed??? Okay...

In terms of the Driver turning around, I can see why this would make sense, when compared with witness testimony regarding the driver having a gun. I mean, he breaks training, turns around twice, and slows down...

If it was a reflection of the bald and calm SS next to him, then he was waiting for the confirmation of headshot to speed away... Simple as day...

Its a refelection but the driver does pull something.



Here is the best Zapruder video on the net.
www.jfkmurdersolved.com...











[edit on 11-5-2007 by The_Driver_Shot_JFK]

Well yeah I can see that, in the video and your zoomed in gif, and photo, and elsewhere.

He does pull out his weapon. I can see it very clearly. If anything he pulled it in a defensive manner.

However, everything else about the scene doesn't make sense. Why at the moment of first gunfire, does the passanger SS not move, not dive back. So suspect.

Why is Jackie's SS the only one to move in, after the fact...

Odd stuff, doesn't add up. They we too slow in action. Very suspect. But we all know the answer why.

Originally posted by squidboy
Well yeah I can see that, in the video and your zoomed in gif, and photo, and elsewhere.

He does pull out his weapon. I can see it very clearly. If anything he pulled it in a defensive manner.

Defensive???? The driver is suppose to drive. Not pull a gun, turn around and point it at Kennedy. You just can't accept what your eyes are telling you. Your not the first it is very hard to except that its been there the whole time right under our noses.

If the driver was willing to slow the car down why wouldn't he be willing to shoot him? After all slowing the car down for snipers is very damning yet it didn't stop him from doing it.

Ain't no river as long as denial. So you better start paddling.

Originally posted by Smack
I think Jackie did try and exit the car.

No. Later on when asked about what she was doing, she said that in the anxiety of the moment she was crawling out on the back of the car to get the part of her husbands skull that had blown off .. she said she was going to put it back on him. She was in shock of course ... but she said that was what was going through her mind and that was why she was crawling onthe back of the car. If you look at the film you do indeed see part of his skull/brains fly back and land on the vehicle.

Why is this thread still alive. THE DRIVER DID NOT KILL JFK.

Use some common sense please.. if the driver killed JFK, everyone would know it by now. The film has been analyzed experts and truth seekers alike, and to think, all this time, no one had seen it.

The driver never puts his left arm over his right shoulder to aim at Kennedy. The very fact that he doesn't do this will tell you that he could not possibly have aimed such a fatal headshot!

Also, the type of injury sustained too JFK's head would have come from a powerful weapon such as a rifle or sniper rifle, not some little personal protection pistol which would not be capable of ripping through his head in the way it did!

All of that it irrelevant anyway, as we have people running towards the grassy knoll in an attempt to catch the shooter, witnesses testifying that the shot did come from that area etc.

Why do you persist in promoting this idiotic theory? Anyone can analyze the film in about 3 minutes and figure out that there was no way the driver killed him.

And Jackie just happened not to see the driver do this, or hear the shot coming from about a meter infront of her..

Originally posted by shrunkensimon

And Jackie just happened not to see the driver do this, or hear the shot coming from about a meter infront of her..

Yeah, right on! Otherwise we would have seen Jacqui trying to get out of the car over the trunk! Right?

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by shrunkensimon

And Jackie just happened not to see the driver do this, or hear the shot coming from about a meter infront of her..

Yeah, right on! Otherwise we would have seen Jacqui trying to get out of the car over the trunk! Right?

If she felt threatened, she would have bailed out of the car completely, but instead she remained put, waiting for an agent to catch up with the car.

Her reaction is pure shock. She hesitates for a second after she sees JFK's head exloding, then decides to reach over the back of the car in desperation towards the valiant agent who caught up with the car.

Anyone who thinks the driver did it hasn't looked/examined all the details close enough.

ditto that sentiment about anyone who thinks oswald did it alone.
i think it looks like the driver did shoot him. with a black gun in his left hand. not a hard shot to make, either. i think it was a backup plan, because kennedy had already been shot in the neck, from the front, but wasn't dying fast enough.

I have fired my own .45 on many occcasions at my local pistol range,even
with ear protecton the noise of the gunshots are absolutely deafening. There is no way that anyone in JFK's limousine would not notice the firing
from only a few feet away. Surely someone in the vehicle would have reported this.
I would also like to know why there were not any shell cassings found in the car from the .45 when again I know from experience they go
everywhere it would have been impossible for the driver to search the car while speeding to the hopsital.
And lastly there is a difference between bullets for pistols and bullets for rifles. Pistol bullets are low velocity rounds and are all but incapapable of causing the injuries we saw with the fatal shot, even at point blank range. However a high velocity rifle round such as one fired from the Mannlicher Carcanno retrieved from the school book depository is more than capable of causing such an injury.

FOOLS game

jesus, it looks very much like the driver shot him.......i could see the perspective

the driver looked back twice, first time would be to make sure he stayed on the road and slowed down, (don't want any shaking when hypothetically taking a shot) then the next time was to concentrate on target, and if you notice the first time he looked back (jackie could see him) by the second time he had the opp. to take him out.


walks like a duck, talks like duck, even though nobody want's it to be a duck ...........still doesn't say for sure it's a duck......this stuff is maddening

anyone check the physics. say the driver took the shot, what the angle would be and given that then, geez i'm fallng into the trap/fool's game, this deflects attention from the big picture

i think the more important thing maybe what JFK was speaking about prior to his death

www.youtube.com...

in large conspiracy's , once a fishy smell has been identified with a strong enough certainty in someone's mind, the details are always a FOOLS GAME to figure out the ego want's to be the one to figure it all out



[edit on 27-7-2008 by cpdaman]

I've watched the videos and the frames over and over...and it does appear William Greer, or whoever the driver was, fired the kill shot on JFK
jmo

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i agree that there is no way the driver did it with all those people and secret service around and if u accually LOOK at the film in slow mo the so called "arm" is just the side of the car in the sun and the "gun" is just the glare from that guys head

Originally posted by golddragnet
I haven't seen those frames. I do recall that Bill Hicks used to claim on stage that it was his belief that it was the driver who shot JFK. He is the only other person I have heard propose that theory.

William Cooper was the first one I ever heard propose that. He said to watch the Zapruder film, and when you did, to watch the driver.

I was STUNNED the first time I saw that. No one ever notices it. They watch JFK, Jackie, Connelly, and the Secret Service agent, in that order. No one ever thinks to look at the driver.

They don't get out of the car,perhaps assuming the driver is firing to protect the president. a perfect excuse. I think the driver fires the fatal blow. Nno doubt about it.

Originally posted by jblaze
I think the first two shots were supposed to kill JFK and that the driver was Plan B if you will, just in case these previous attempts were unsuccessful.

Yeah, that makes sense. Maybe he pulled his gun out and aimed it at him but never needed to fire it, because "plan A" was successful?

A team of tactical assasins were given the task of assasinating president JFK.

There were two snipers based in the building Lee H O alledgedly fired the fatal shots from.

As the car passes moments before the "shooting scene scene" on the opposite side of the road you will notice two adults and a child.

One of these adults is holding what appers to be a video camera & the other is holding an artical of clothing across thier arm ... although blured slightly the individual holding the camera looks rather familiar.

The name Dr Bill Deagle springs to mind, and with the fact that he himself has been employed by the US government since the age of 14.

He certainly would be a perfect candidate for HAARP mind control or perhaps another form of "manchurian" candidate to activate.

Please remember truth seekers that forms of science not yet mainstrem, and therefore beyond the publics understanding can allow for magic to occur before a persons eyes ... unless they know "how" it's being achieved - the "monkey see, monkey do" mentality of accepting what we are told to be the truth rather than knowing it to be so.

If you were to know the truth, you would have to be informed of numerous other factors which contribute in one way or another into any particular case.

The "truth" is a burden, knowing it will only lead to disapointment & leave you alone in a world you can no longer connect with.

For once you know ... Once you've learned enough, so that you too can work it all out & calculate a meaningful answer to the question.

Ask yourself this what will you now do now that you know too ?

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Google or search YouTube for "Bush JFK link". Very interesting film.