US troops in Iraq with AKs!!!

ultimately...try comparing prices, an ak74 original...compared with a modern m16? would still beat it hands down in most conditions
yup...ruskies did it again.
as for dragunov? heh

Originally posted by FULCRUM

Originally posted by MrDurden

You Active/prior service?

Prior..

But im not a American..

I was in service 1999-2000..

I was a Squad Leader, rank Corporal.. ("

Originally posted by MrDurden

What country are ya then? Only Served one year?

Yeah..

One year (362 days..) in Finnish defence forces..

Im reservist now..

And the way that things are going, everybody talking about us joining NATO and all i might find myself in Iraq or some other place.. soon enough..

Originally posted by FULCRUM

Originally posted by MrDurden

What country are ya then? Only Served one year?

Yeah..

One year (362 days..) in Finnish defence forces..

Im reservist now..

And the way that things are going, everybody talking about us joining NATO and all i might find myself in Iraq or some other place.. soon enough..

I feel ya. I've spent about 3 of my 3 1/2 years on deployemnts. I've been to Kuwait 3 times, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Saudi. A few of my buddies from my old unit told me they are punching out to go back to Iraq for 7 more months starting in January. We just got back in September and we've been there since the invasion. I hate that place, the people are pretty friendly though. (Though that might have something to do with the fact I have a high powered 7MAG rifle strapped to me.

Fulcrum ur Finnish? for some reason i always thought u were Russian...

Originally posted by Papz


Fulcrum ur Finnish? for some reason i always thought u were Russian...

No, he's not Finnish.... He's only begun!!! BWAHAHA!.......I dunno.......I'm retarded.....

To the topic:

Like Russian said:

US troops did swap thier weapons for AKs many times..

In Iraq..

As those with M4s felt that they didnt have weapon that reabile enough..

And those that had M16s felt that they didnt have weapon reabile and short enough..

But this reability is more of a matter of maintanance..

Also i think that supperior KO power of AK and better penetration also had something to do with it..

That many took enemy weapons..

And fine sand is much more of a hazard to Armalite type of weapons as they have more 'high tolerances' and they dont use as 'violant' mechanism as AKs do..

Like pics from MrDurden here showed.. theyll have to even wrap AT-4s to plastic to protect them from sand..

And AT-4s dont really have that many moving or/and sensitive parts..

if he is using that Ak i wouldnt hold it against him. it is safer for them to use Aks than the M-16. the sound of a Ak is alot differant than the m-16. enemys are tought to tell the differance and fire at the noise of the M-16 at night. they cant tell who you if you are using their gun.

Originally posted by dragon
if he is using that Ak i wouldnt hold it against him. it is safer for them to use Aks than the M-16. the sound of a Ak is alot differant than the m-16. enemys are tought to tell the differance and fire at the noise of the M-16 at night. they cant tell who you if you are using their gun.

We are also tought to tell the difference, so we also have to be careful that some dumb private doesnt know we are in the area, he hears an AK and starts peelin off rounds in our direction. It's a double edged sword, and the only reason my unit did it was for reliability and because ammo was readily available.

Originally posted by MrDurden

Originally posted by FULCRUM

Originally posted by MrDurden
I forgot to add the link in the above post to where you can see some of the pics I took while I was over there:

www.geocities.com...

If these REALLY are your pics..

This is something really speacial!

Thanks for sharing..

Yup thats me. I just got transferred from Division to FSSG behind a desk but if you want I can send you more from my work e-mail. Lets chat sometime, my e-mail is [email protected]

I have gotten quite a few emails asking for the pics I did not post since I submitted the above post. Well, you wanted it so you got it. I went ahead and posted the rest of my pics. Just as a warning though some of these pictures are not for the weak of heart as there are pictures of dead Iraqi's. Consider yourself warned.
www.geocities.com...

damn those are some awesome pics

thx for sharing MrDurden.

Are you presently in Iraq or are you back home ?

Originally posted by MrDurden

I have gotten quite a few emails asking for the pics I did not post since I submitted the above post. Well, you wanted it so you got it. I went ahead and posted the rest of my pics. Just as a warning though some of these pictures are not for the weak of heart as there are pictures of dead Iraqi's. Consider yourself warned.
www.geocities.com...

Thanks for the pics dude..

Again..

Some notes:

"I couldnt help myself"
(OMG! Isnt Saddam pretty now, some positive PR to him from US Army..)

"A cache of Iraqi weapons that were rounded up from all the POW's. They are set to have explosives placed on them to be destroyed"
(Were the SKS:s and AK-47s/AKMs/Tabuks the most modern fire arms that you have seen in there?)

And what comes to the 'gore' well.. it didnt bother me..
Lets face it.. those pics were quite 'clean or sterile'..

Im sure that you know what im talking about..

its not unusual for any troops to use other weapons lting around, some are better at somethings than others, and your all taught the merits and failings in training. i have a friend in the paras who uses a CAR-15 normally instead of his standard issue SA80. the SAS uses German weapons they use HK MP5's. mind you, H&K are owned by BAe Systems now anyway, so they are british now i suppose!

if i had to go into battle with the weapon that i would be issued with, id be actively searching for a better one, so i could throw that piece of Junk SA80 away! thankfully in the RAF i dont tend to need it!

Originally posted by Papz

damn those are some awesome pics

thx for sharing MrDurden.

Are you presently in Iraq or are you back home ?

I've been home for a few months now, but my old unit is punching back out in 6 more weeks. I wont be joining them though.

Originally posted by FULCRUM

Originally posted by MrDurden

I have gotten quite a few emails asking for the pics I did not post since I submitted the above post. Well, you wanted it so you got it. I went ahead and posted the rest of my pics. Just as a warning though some of these pictures are not for the weak of heart as there are pictures of dead Iraqi's. Consider yourself warned.
www.geocities.com...

Thanks for the pics dude..

Again..

Some notes:

"I couldnt help myself"
(OMG! Isnt Saddam pretty now, some positive PR to him from US Army..)

"A cache of Iraqi weapons that were rounded up from all the POW's. They are set to have explosives placed on them to be destroyed"
(Were the SKS:s and AK-47s/AKMs/Tabuks the most modern fire arms that you have seen in there?)

And what comes to the 'gore' well.. it didnt bother me..
Lets face it.. those pics were quite 'clean or sterile'..

Im sure that you know what im talking about..

No problem. My hope was that the more people I share those pics with, the more people will understand. Ignorance too often breeds hate or fear. On average I would say that I ran accross Haji's with AK-47's, 74's, and SKS with a bunch of mods on them.

MrDurden,

So they do have AK-74s?

Of caliber 5,45x39mm?

I did see one photo of Uday or Qusay with one..
(AK-74M..)

But i havent seen any other pics from Iraq in which these weapons were visible..

Btw,

AK-74M has been in service in Russia since 1991..

So..



Btw,

"Haji's" is that modern military slang for local 'VC'?

Originally posted by FULCRUM
MrDurden,

So they do have AK-74s?

Of caliber 5,45x39mm?

I did see one photo of Uday or Qusay with one..
(AK-74M..)

But i havent seen any other pics from Iraq in which these weapons were visible..

Btw,

AK-74M has been in service in Russia since 1991..

So..

Btw,

"Haji's" is that modern military slang for local 'VC'?

Yup, we caught quite a few of 'em carrying the AK-74 5.45x39.5 model. A lot of stuff I saw out there was pretty fishy. One example was some French SATCOMM equipment that wasnt even released by their government until the mid 90's, which would not only break the ban on selling arms, etc to Iraq; it would bust it over the knee!! hehe But Yeah, "Haji" was the official term used to describe the natives, enemies and friendlys. We got in trouble for calling 'em "Rag-heads", "towel-heads", etc. So our CO approved "Haji". Sort of like "Jerry" for the Germans in WWII or "Charley" in Nam.

It seems since I have posted the new pics I was skeptical about posting I have been recieving a high number of e-mails per day with mixed reviews. Below you will see that I am even recieving e-mails from Marines of substancial rank in my own command (Which I have posted below). What do you all think?

E-Mail:
From: "Rob ******"
To:
Subject: A tip
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:17:33 -0800

You've got some great photos on your website. I think photos like these
need to be shown however I'd take off the ones showing the Iraqi
soldier. It's against the Geneva Convention. Drop me an email or talk
to the Legal officer if you've got a question.

S/F,

Maj Taylor
USMC

Originally posted by dragon
if he is using that Ak i wouldnt hold it against him. it is safer for them to use Aks than the M-16. the sound of a Ak is alot differant than the m-16. enemys are tought to tell the differance and fire at the noise of the M-16 at night. they cant tell who you if you are using their gun.

sound is NOT the reason its the durability.

and as MOST people know AKs are very good at that.

Originally posted by Russian

Originally posted by dragon
if he is using that Ak i wouldnt hold it against him. it is safer for them to use Aks than the M-16. the sound of a Ak is alot differant than the m-16. enemys are tought to tell the differance and fire at the noise of the M-16 at night. they cant tell who you if you are using their gun.

sound is NOT the reason its the durability.

and as MOST people know AKs are very good at that.

VERY true. I've pulled an AK out of a pond, racked it, and the thing was able to rock-n-roll like it was brand new. If you fart on the M-16 wrong it'll jam. You gotta love letting the lowest bidder build your weapon.