S-4 Question: What does the "S" stand for?

If I didn't believe or wasn't interested in any conspiracy I would not be here! However, I sense some people are more interested in "attacking logic" over doing personal research and participating in conspiratorial topics. Thats fine...if I didn't know any better I would be insulted!

Keep up the good work...promotions are on the way!



[edit on 7-3-2007 by SocialistAgenda]

The S stands for Sector. [...]his experiences at the Sector Four (S4) Base[...]

users.skynet.be...
(Bob Lazar mirror site)

Bob's W-2

Fallow the link and read the W-2 very carefully. You was see that it says:U.S. Department of Naval Intelligence on it. the same thing is on the Clearance badge a bit further down the page.

Here's The Problem:

There is NO Department of Naval Intelligence! There is however an
Office of Naval Intelligence. See Wikipedia- Office of Naval Intelligence

A real employer would Not make that mistake on a W-2, would they?

Tim

[edit on 3/8/2007 by Ghost01]

Originally posted by Ghost01
Bob's W-2

Fallow the link and read the W-2 very carefully. You was see that it says:U.S. Department of Naval Intelligence on it. the same thing is on the Clearance badge a bit further down the page.

Here's The Problem:

There is NO Department of Naval Intelligence! There is however an
Office of Naval Intelligence. See Wikipedia- Office of Naval Intelligence

A real employer would Not make that mistake on a W-2, would they?

Tim

[edit on 3/8/2007 by Ghost01]

If there is a DNI it would be secret to everyone except to the people who actually work for it! Your reasoning skills are quite poor but that is ok since your at least "trying"!

Also, is it a coincidence that the alien interview video has DNI enstamped on it at the bottom left portion of the screen

I really don't think so!

1+1=2

SocialistAgenda,

Is there a Paticular Reason why you feel that it's better to attack my logic, than to READ what I'm saying.

Naval Intelligence is VERY real! However it is called the Office of Naval Intelligence. Not Department, Office!

Humor me and read what I'm saying before you resort to snide remarks!

Tim

Hey Tim, how goes it ?
I must say, I've talked to my dad about DNI.
It exists. He was involved. Nothing about aliens or UFO's, but about gathering intel during, and shortly after the cold war.

Do I have proof ? Only my dad's word, which I believe.
Have I asked him for proof ? You know it.
He answered, "not while he was alive".

Take it as you may.

Respectfully,
Lex

Lazar and his friends reconstruct the events surrounding his experiences at the Sector Four (S4) Base by reviewing an appointment calendar Lazar kept with notes referring to the "hidden" events of that time.

source (from Thodeph link above)

Is Bob the only researcher to have been to S4?

Originally posted by Ghost01
There is NO Department of Naval Intelligence!

That is a big mistake, and a clear indication of forgery. There's no way an employee would forget who they are, or confuse themselves with its British equivalent.

[edit on 10/3/07 by ConspiracyNut23]

Originally posted by Ghost01
SocialistAgenda,

Is there a Paticular Reason why you feel that it's better to attack my logic, than to READ what I'm saying.

Naval Intelligence is VERY real! However it is called the Office of Naval Intelligence. Not Department, Office!

Humor me and read what I'm saying before you resort to snide remarks!

Tim

Your a real "joker"! Too bad the "Terms and Conditions" of this site do not allow me the right to fully express myself

I will say however that you should actually try denying ignorance instead of encouraging it! Is that too much to ask for in a so-called conspiracy site?!!

[edit on 11-3-2007 by SocialistAgenda]

[edit on 11-3-2007 by SocialistAgenda]

Originally posted by Lexion
Hey Tim, how goes it ?
I must say, I've talked to my dad about DNI.
It exists. He was involved. Nothing about aliens or UFO's, but about gathering intel during, and shortly after the cold war.

Do I have proof ? Only my dad's word, which I believe.
Have I asked him for proof ? You know it.
He answered, "not while he was alive".

Take it as you may.

Respectfully,
Lex

Thanks for confirming the existance of DNI! Could it possibly be that initially it was for gathering cold war intelligence and then it switched to "higher intelligence"?

According to many sources this not an uncommon practice! LANL was originally developed for atomic bomb research and then it expanded into other endeavors!

[edit on 11-3-2007 by SocialistAgenda]

As far as what DNI is active in, today.
I have only what my dad has told me. ( not much )
Intel gathering is all he will say.
What Intel, he won't answer completely, but he denies ever seeing any UFO's, or aliens.

After asking if he ever saw these things, and getting a denial, I thought about my questions.

He was assigned to ship duty, mostly and stayed in a radio room.
Of course he never SAW anything....grrrrr....

Next time he's in a mood to talk, I'll rephrase my questions.

Lex

This should help in "straightning out" the non-believers!

Source: www.clydelewis.com...

As an individual, Lazar's credibility has been brought into question by a few UFO researchers. People tend to criticize Lazar primarily because of what appears to be lack of credentials, and a lack of a personal history. However, many times those same researchers have failed to truly explore his background. And to Lazar's credit he has produced several key items which lend creditability to his identity. Lazar, very early on, produced a W2 form which stated he worked for Naval Intelligence during the time when he says he worked at S4. This W2 which bears the code E-6722MAJ, and states his working location as Nevada also bears another anomaly. When contacted the IRS lists his tax background as secret and when contacted the DNI (Department of Naval Intelligence) will confirm a Robert Scott Lazar worked for them during that time period in Nevada but all other details are secret. Also during 1998 Jon Farhat, a noted Hollywood digital effects designer, created Boblazar.com. Although Lazar never benefited from its creation, during its development Farhat paid for several Russian satellite passes over S4, in hopes of catching a glimpse of the facility. During one such pass, the digital camera on board Mir caught a metallic disk 35ft in diameter lift off from a landing site about ½ mile from S4, fly over S4 then land again. Meanwhile the landing site can clearly be seen.

I hope people noticed that when DNI was contacted they did in fact affirm that a Robert Scott Lazar worked for them and the IRS lists his tax background as secret!

What more proof does one need to be convinced?!

Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
This should help in "straightning out" the non-believers!

Source: www.clydelewis.com...

As an individual, Lazar's credibility has been brought into question by a few UFO researchers. People tend to criticize Lazar primarily because of what appears to be lack of credentials, and a lack of a personal history. However, many times those same researchers have failed to truly explore his background. And to Lazar's credit he has produced several key items which lend creditability to his identity. Lazar, very early on, produced a W2 form which stated he worked for Naval Intelligence during the time when he says he worked at S4. This W2 which bears the code E-6722MAJ, and states his working location as Nevada also bears another anomaly. When contacted the IRS lists his tax background as secret and when contacted the DNI (Department of Naval Intelligence) will confirm a Robert Scott Lazar worked for them during that time period in Nevada but all other details are secret. Also during 1998 Jon Farhat, a noted Hollywood digital effects designer, created Boblazar.com. Although Lazar never benefited from its creation, during its development Farhat paid for several Russian satellite passes over S4, in hopes of catching a glimpse of the facility. During one such pass, the digital camera on board Mir caught a metallic disk 35ft in diameter lift off from a landing site about ½ mile from S4, fly over S4 then land again. Meanwhile the landing site can clearly be seen.

I hope people noticed that when DNI was contacted they did in fact affirm that a Robert Scott Lazar worked for them and the IRS lists his tax background as secret!

What more proof does one need to be convinced?!

First, in an U.S.-American context, DNI stands for Director of Naval Intelligence, and not Department! I assume you will say that this is just to "distract the outsiders" and that there actually is a secret Department of Naval Intel. Anyway, it says "... and when contacted the DNI (Department of Naval Intelligence) will confirm ...". I definitely won't believe a single word of this before anyone posts an actual contact address for this alleged DNI. And not something on an obscure and unverified form, but in an official listing of U.S. government agencies. I don't even need to point out that something like "(someone) will confirm that ..." is pretty much meaningless if you can't produce an actual and verifiable quote of what "someone" actually said!

Second, and that's even more ridiculous:

"During one such pass, the digital camera on board Mir caught a metallic disk 35ft in diameter lift off from a landing site about ½ mile from S4, fly over S4 then land again. Meanwhile the landing site can clearly be seen."

And exactly where can this imagery be seen?! Without the actual pictures, it's just another "Someone told me"-story, i.e. worthless. Especially since the background details (IMINT-quality digital camera on Mir!) sound totally bogus!

What more proof does one need to be convinced?!

A lot more! Or better said, anything at all in the first place, because what you provided is no "proof" by any definition of that word. Your postings show that you regard the issue with quasi-religious faith - you are a "believer"(!) who takes every utterance, which supports this belief, as gospel. "Non-believers" are questioned what they are doing here, if they don't believe anyway. But ATS is not a church, where non-believers are encouraged to leave the faithful alone.

Regards
yf

Originally posted by Lexion
Hey Tim, how goes it ?
I must say, I've talked to my dad about DNI.
It exists. He was involved. Nothing about aliens or UFO's, but about gathering intel during, and shortly after the cold war.

Take it as you may.

Respectfully,
Lex

Intresting! I've spent years studing the US Intelligence
Community. Never once have I found a listiong other than the Office of Naval Intelligence. As a later post (see below) there is the Director of Naval Intelligence. Maybe that office is called DNI.

Here is a link to theNaval Intelligence Website It makes NO mention of the Department of Naval Intelligence

Or, another thought the Just occured to me, Did they ever change the name? If you remember the CIA was once the OSS, and the NSA started life as the AFSA (Armed Forces Security Agency).

Just a few thought!

Tim

[edit on 3/12/2007 by Ghost01]

Originally posted by yfxxx

First, in an U.S.-American context, DNI stands for Director of Naval Intelligence, and not Department! I assume you will say that this is just to "distract the outsiders" and that there actually is a secret Department of Naval Intel. Anyway, it says "... and when contacted the DNI (Department of Naval Intelligence) will confirm ...". I definitely won't believe a single word of this before anyone posts an actual contact address for this alleged DNI. And not something on an obscure and unverified form, but in an official listing of U.S. government agencies. I don't even need to point out that something like "(someone) will confirm that ..." is pretty much meaningless if you can't produce an actual and verifiable quote of what "someone" actually said!

Then why does the W2 state "Department of Naval Intelligence" and not "Director of Naval Intelligence" Are you claiming that the Employer's field in this stub was forged Sorry, I don't want to consider that!

Second, and that's even more ridiculous:

"During one such pass, the digital camera on board Mir caught a metallic disk 35ft in diameter lift off from a landing site about ½ mile from S4, fly over S4 then land again. Meanwhile the landing site can clearly be seen."

And exactly where can this imagery be seen?! Without the actual pictures, it's just another "Someone told me"-story, i.e. worthless. Especially since the background details (IMINT-quality digital camera on Mir!) sound totally bogus.

The images can be seen at users.skynet.be...!

Originally posted by Ghost01

Intresting! I've spent years studing the US Intelligence
Community. Never once have I found a listiong other than the Office of Naval Intelligence. As a later post (see below) there is the Director of Naval Intelligence. Maybe that office is called DNI.

Here is a link to theNaval Intelligence Website It makes NO mention of the Department of Naval Intelligence

Or, another thought the Just occured to me, Did they ever change the name? If you remember the CIA was once the OSS, and the NSA started life as the AFSA (Armed Forces Security Agency).

Just a few thought!

Tim

[edit on 3/12/2007 by Ghost01]

Perhaps it was originally called "Department of Naval Intelligence" and then changed to "Office of Naval Intelligence".

Perhaps DNI is a covert branch/division within ONI with very limited access to people that are directly involved.

Perhaps and probably it is a completly separate department with no affiliations to OFI.

I can't say for sure either way!

I appreciate ya'll being skeptical.
I would be, read some of my replies to other posts.

I'm just relating what my dad has told me, and like I said, I trust him.

Continue seeking the Truth, my brothers !

Lex

Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23

Originally posted by Ghost01
There is NO Department of Naval Intelligence!

That is a big mistake, and a clear indication of forgery. There's no way an employee would forget who they are, or confuse themselves with its British equivalent.

From another thread...

Originally posted by Gazrok
7. Lazar isn't the first reference to the front of EG&G and the ficticious DNI (Department of Naval Intelligence). The real name is ONI Office of Naval Intelligence, but it isn't unheard of for black projects to use realistic sounding agency names for deniability. Similar antics were used for folks on the U-2 and SR71 projects.

SOURCE: bob lazar a total fraud

So I guess it's not so easy after all. But I'm sure you'll be active in that thread soon.

[edit on 17/3/07 by ConspiracyNut23]

Picked up something interesting from William 'Bill' Cooper (before people start scoffing... yes, I consider Cooper to be a credible witness from within the Air Force. Although he got frightened at later stages of his life to adopt broader views about the masonic agenda):

The alien base and exchange of technology actually took place in an Area known as S-4. Area S-4 was code named "The Dark Side of the Moon".

The Dark Side of the Moon... According to Disclosure Project witnesses, there are bases on the other side of the Moon.I suspect that's where the US Air Force is keeping its airbase with copies of flying saucers -- ready to attack.

Originally posted by Thodeph
I suspect that's where the US Air Force is keeping its airbase with copies of flying saucers -- ready to attack.

NICE! That is what I have been trying to tell people off and on. That all the recent sightings of these stereotypical saucers are not actually alien spacecraft, but spacecraft built by the US government. More and more sightings are because of all the increased test flights and exercises the PTB are doing in preparation for the coming staged "alien attack" on America to enstate the new world order... It is nice to know that I am not the only whack job with this opinion on the origination of all the saucers lately....