Smoking ban....

they should come up with a decent piece of legislation that is aimed at reducing the amount of irritants that asthmatics and others who suffer from respiratory problems face on a daily basis, sure shs would be one of those irratants, but so wouldn't perfumes, ect. this type of legislation might not only save a few lives decades from now, but might actually save a life today, or tomorrow, or next week, and would reduce the strain on the healthcare system much more.

by the way, how can one prove that one particular person died from second hand smoke, and not smog, or perfume exposure, or just bad genetics, would really like to know.

I support MOST smoking bans. If you don't want me to smoke in your business, then I shouldn't be able to. However, full out smoking bans do hurt the small bars, and some businesses. In Colorado, you can smoke in casinos, and anyplace that is categorized as a cigar lounge, or tobacco shop, that is if they sell tobacco in the building. Recently I heard that they might start allowing some bars to allow smoking in them. There is no need to smoke in a bar, around people who don't smoke. I even go outside my own home to smoke.

I think selling tobacco should be banned. Smokers are harming themselves and other people, so I shouldn't be forced to tolerate them. Also, the NHS would be glad if selling tobacco would be forbidden.

[edit on 14-4-2007 by INeedHelp]

This is all the product of succumbing to liberal-Socialist ideals. Smoking should be allowed in Bars/pubs and anywhere they serve alcohol. Why is smoking banned if drinking is allowed ? Both are bad for the health in excess. They should have separate sections for smokers and non smokers if they wish but people generally tend to smoke in a pub. Whats the point of banning it there ?

I think trying to make this a left/right issue is just daft.

It's primarily a heath issue and secondly (as far as business here is concerned in terms of the staff working in those environments) it's a private business insurance matter.
That is what has driven this matter so far, in fact private businesses have been banning smoking for many years now and the Gov has come very late on the scene as far as 'banning' smoking is concerned.

It has absolutely nothing to do with 'socialism' or the left or what ever other red-herring some folks want to try and introduce to go off on their own hobby-horses.

I have no problem with the idea of formal 'smoking bars, clubs or restaurants' but I can see no good reason why simply because a place is a bar/pub/club/restaurant non-smokers ought to accept being subjected to other people's smoke......and that includes the staff working there.

It stinks and causes some people great discomfort (I know several older people who have stopped going out to pubs because the smoke is unbearable).

Originally posted by IAF101
This is all the product of succumbing to liberal-Socialist ideals

Name of the "Liberal-Socialist" author and the book he publised it in.

Fact is, smoking harms other people. You have absolutely no right to go around causing other people harm, when you do not need to. Honestly if you can not give up smoking then go get medical help. If you honestly smoke because you want too than you have issues you need to look at.

Originally posted by Odium

Originally posted by IAF101
This is all the product of succumbing to liberal-Socialist ideals

Name of the "Liberal-Socialist" author and the book he publised it in.

Fact is, smoking harms other people. You have absolutely no right to go around causing other people harm, when you do not need to. Honestly if you can not give up smoking then go get medical help. If you honestly smoke because you want too than you have issues you need to look at.

You have no right to tell what other can and cannot do. The smoking ban is pathetic to say the least by liberal hippy's who want to tell othyer what to do with their lives. It is not the business of the government or any other self righteous pompous fools to dictate how the citizenry live their lives. If individual pub owners have a problem with it then that is a different matter. Most pub owners hated this law as it drove away paying customers and the community it brought in. Smoking is a social habit, it may be bad for the health but so is consuming alcohol. Are they going to make that illegal as well ? If people dont like the atmosphere of a pub they need not go there. It is not a enforced on anybody. Pubs have through the ages been a place where people could smoke, this interference into the lives of the citizenry is due to the perverse pseudo liberal-socialist mindset that has plagued the EU and now has begun to rape the UK of its social fabric.

Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
I think trying to make this a left/right issue is just daft.
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It stinks and causes some people great discomfort (I know several older people who have stopped going out to pubs because the smoke is unbearable).

It is an issue of the government overstepping its jurisdiction. The private lives of the citizenry are not the subject to legislation by any government. At least that is the case in the US. There are still a few people who know what freedom is and enjoy such fredeoms. This pathetic excuse that it is for public health is a sham. Does the government think that its citizens are so foolish as to not know the deleterious effects of smoking ? In that case they should work on the education system not such knee jerk reactions to curb individual liberty.