What did they do wrong

Hello everyone i was just wondering why do people think muslims are terroists why does every religon want to have war with them i mean cmon they did make some christians in to muslims or somthing like that yes so wat there just making a religon anyways what happens if u destroy their temple how would u like if they destroyed every last temple in the world why what did they do wrong in the past all of the religons u have to ask ur self is ur religon good or bad Especially masons and jews so u have to admit are sacrifices good ir bad is killing good or bad so think about

Originally posted by RazorFang
Hello everyone i was just wondering why do people think muslims are terroists why does every religon want to have war with them i mean cmon they did make some christians in to muslims or somthing like that yes so wat there just making a religon anyways what happens if u destroy their temple how would u like if they destroyed every last temple in the world why what did they do wrong in the past all of the religons u have to ask ur self is ur religon good or bad Especially masons and jews so u have to admit are sacrifices good ir bad is killing good or bad so think about

Any religion that condones violence and intolerance against "unbelievers" is not exactly a positive element in human progress regardless of what that religion is, or claims to be.

Non-Muslims associate Islam with with terrorism because it ain't Buddhists and Presbyterians flying planes into buildings and driving bomb-laden cars into crowds of innocent people.



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maybe the muslims did that because maybe there were angry and wanted to get vengence but wait if the muslims keep having vengence and like the whole world turns on them i wonder what exactly would happen

Originally posted by RazorFang
maybe the muslims did that because maybe there were angry and wanted to get vengence

Which begs the question: what kind of idiot gets vengeance by blowing himself up?

I mean, let's be honest here: do they really believe that "72 virgins in paradise" crap?

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I mean, let's be honest here: do they really believe that "72 virgins in paradise" crap?

It never ceases to amaze me what can be learned from an ignorant statement like that. And to be coming from a Freemason who at one time would have called out to his Islamic Brother in the name of Allah.

Perhaps if you spent less time on Ali Sina's www.FaithFreedom.org and more time asking the real questions, like how did the Muslims get the bombs in the buildings, you'd be saving yourself alot of extra embarrasement.

You might also stop and think about the various sects of Islam that just popped up inside Freemasonic Lodges and have since then crafted new words like "al qaeda" that most learned people will have a hard time connecting to Prophet Mohammed.

And if you ever bothered reading up on what Brother Manly P Hall wrote about Islam and Mohammed it might upset you to learn how his image is far different than yours! But oh wait, I forgot.....he's irregular and another Mason forgot his Metamucil again I suppose! Since your so busy defending the likes of Satanists like Crowley, then may be it's you who desires 72 virgins.

Originally posted by Masonic Light

Any religion that condones violence and intolerance against "unbelievers" is not exactly a positive element in human progress regardless of what that religion is, or claims to be.

Good point, in the days when catholics were burning people at the stake for making herb tea I would have condemned them as utterly evil. Car bombs against civilian populations are bad for publicity. Women publicly executed for trivial offenses is very comparable to witch burning. I would condemn any culture who practices this sort of thing no matter what ethnic or religious background they cam from.

Originally posted by sweftl337

It never ceases to amaze me what can be learned from an ignorant statement like that.

It has once been said that there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers. Thanks for proving it fact.

And to be coming from a Freemason who at one time would have called out to his Islamic Brother in the name of Allah.

To begin with, Freemasons don't call out to each other "in the name of Allah". Secondly, Islamic Masons tend to be cultured, educated, and liberal: they don't buy the 72 virgins crap either.

Perhaps if you spent less time on Ali Sina's www.FaithFreedom.org and more time asking the real questions, like how did the Muslims get the bombs in the buildings, you'd be saving yourself alot of extra embarrasement.

I have no idea who Ali Sina is, nor do I care. I don't even care how they stack their bombs. The fact is that they do on it daily basis, which answers the OP's question about why people associate Muslims with terrorism.

You might also stop and think about the various sects of Islam that just popped up inside Freemasonic Lodges and have since then crafted new words like "al qaeda" that most learned people will have a hard time connecting to Prophet Mohammed.

There aren't any Islamic sects popping up in Freemasonry, nor did they craft new words Al-Quada.

And if you ever bothered reading up on what Brother Manly P Hall wrote about Islam and Mohammed it might upset you to learn how his image is far different than yours! But oh wait, I forgot.....he's irregular and another Mason forgot his Metamucil again I suppose! Since your so busy defending the likes of Satanists like Crowley, then may be it's you who desires 72 virgins.

You seem unable to address the issue, and just want to talk about me. I'm flattered, but sorry: I play for home team.

Your claim that Manly Hall was irregular is as bogus as your claim that Crowley was a satanist. Hall had always been a regular Freemason. And if he were alive, and was asked why people associate Muslims with terrorism, he would of course answer that it's because Islamic terrorists kill innocent people on a daily basis.

Masonic Light,

Manly P, Hall wrote his book called the Secret Teachings of All Ages before he was ever a Freemason. In several threads, I have seen this excuse used over and over again by people like you to try and deflect away from Manly P Hal's opinions on both spirituality and regarding Freemasonry. I have witnessed the illusion portrayed by your kind that there was no connection between Freemasonry and Templarism and when Manly P Hall was used to prove that there is a connection, you quickly remind that he wrote his book before ever becoming a Freemason.

For where there is some Truth and Light, you see only darkness and spread deception. Please do not insult my intelligence by acting as if you accept Brother hall's words! Had you actually read his writings you'd find that the defamation against Mohammed and Islam is nothing less than Propaganda by the evil ones! Yet you provide the straw-man argument.

To begin with, Freemasons don't call out to each other "in the name of Allah". Secondly, Islamic Masons tend to be cultured, educated, and liberal: they don't buy the 72 virgins crap either.

What a Muslim sees in Allah is what Jesus Christ called out in Aramaic when he said " Allaha". What the early Templars sought out in their Sufi Brethren – which to this day has had some great effect on our Western culture, was the believe in Allah! What you have displayed here is nothing less than total ignorance.

I have no idea who Ali Sina is, nor do I care. I don't even care how they stack their bombs. The fact is that they do on it daily basis, which answers the OP's question about why people associate Muslims with terrorism.

There aren't any Islamic sects popping up in Freemasonry, nor did they craft new words Al-Quada.

I thought you had questions on how the bombs were packed into the WTC? I guess you packed your mind with so much fluff, that you could not see that suicide bombers are a relatively new phenomena! Uneducated people "assume" that the corrupted Mullahs speak for the whole of Islam! Consequently, I know Mohammed Ben Sheik, who is Freemason, so stop lying.

Your claim that Manly Hall was irregular is as bogus as your claim that Crowley was a satanist. Hall had always been a regular Freemason. And if he were alive, and was asked why people associate Muslims with terrorism, he would of course answer that it's because Islamic terrorists kill innocent people on a daily basis.

Shame on you for placing words into the mouth of a Manly P Hall. You claim, " He would of course answer that it's because Islamic terrorists kill innocent people on a daily basis"! How do you know that he would not have said that perhaps the attack on Islam is the work of the evil ones and those same forces know all too well, that Muslims are prohibited to murder or blow anything up! How do you know oh infidel that he might not respond that it was British MI6 agents who were caught trying to blow up mosques and not Muslims!

You have already been exposed.



[edit on 3-3-2007 by sweftl337]

Originally posted by sweftl337
Masonic Light,

Manly P, Hall wrote his book called the Secret Teachings of All Ages before he was ever a Freemason.

You finally got one right. If I could toss a cigar through cyberspace, it would be to you.

In several threads, I have seen this excuse used over and over again by people like you to try and deflect away from Manly P Hal's opinions on both spirituality and regarding Freemasonry.

Manly P. Hall's opinions as to religion, spirituality, or whether Italian dressing should be used on Subway sandwiches are completely irrelevant to the OP's question of why people associate Muslims with terrorism.

Wasn't it you complaining about people derailing threads earlier?

Shame on you for placing words into the mouth of a Manly P Hall. You claim, " He would of course answer that it's because Islamic terrorists kill innocent people on a daily basis"! How do you know that he would not have said that perhaps the attack on Islam is the work of the evil ones and those same forces know all too well, that Muslims are prohibited to murder or blow anything up! How do you know oh infidel that he might not respond that it was British MI6 agents who were caught trying to blow up mosques and not Muslims!

Simply put:

Because Hall was not a moron.

ALLAH, ALIM, ALEIM, AELOHIM, ALLAHA, are all the same God.


And without Islam, there practically is no FreeMasonry.


See what Manly P. Hall wrote, in this thread:


Moorish Science Temple


Even down to the way Masonic Lodges are numbered, like Mosques.





From the "Sean Hannity" show, a debate between the bigoted Sean Hannity and the so-called "anti-Semitic" Malik Zulu Shabazz:

SHABAZZ: All Muslims respect the Bible, but he should have the opportunity. Now, your ignorance, Mr. Prager -- Islam has contributed a lot to America. In the middle of the Supreme Court is -- in the rotunda is a statue or bust of the Prophet Muhammad showing the respect that American law and jurisprudence has for the revealer of the Quran.

Many of our American presidents are Masons and Shriners who got to the 33rd degree and studied the Quran in secret and have the star and the crescent on their fez.

HANNITY: Malik --

SHABAZZ: So Islam is at the basis of Western and American civilization.

See also the writings of the Druid and FreeMason Godfrey Higgins, who wrote much on The Knights Templar, Islam, and FreeMasonry.



Sorry to burst some bubbles here, but Sufism/Sophee-ism, the Knights Templar, Gnosis, Rosicrucianism, Kabbalah, Druidism, Buddhism, Illuminati, and FreeMasonry are all inseparable in their Original Purity.




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I'm disappointed that any learned person would take the "72 Virgins" teaching literally.

It looks to me like a direct reference to Yesod, Eden, the Voluptuous Garden of Delights.


7 + 2 = 9: Yesod




From Samael Aun Weor:

“Jinn” Paradise, the Garden of Delights

Positively, such a God of the Water has power over the Ether of Life, and his power is omnipotent… Thus, in this manner we explain to ourselves, the Scientific Clue which our Astrologer friend revealed to us.

Naturally, the Hierarchies, the "Jinn Masters" only grant this type of Theurgical operations when the victim is cast unjustly into prison. No Master of the great White Lodge would ever dare to violate the Law!

Therefore, we learn how to place the Physical Body in "Jinn" State with the power of these mantras, and with that power, many victims can be saved from the pain and injustice of mankind.

In ancient times the humans from the first races lived in the "Jinn" paradises, yet they fell in this dense tridimensional world. Nevertheless, let us learn how to place the Physical Body in "Jinn" state; thus, we will have the privilege of visiting the "Jinn" Paradises where the rivers of pure water spring forth milk and honey.

That is the "Garden of Delights" of which Mohammed spoke. Listen to his words:

These are they who are drawn nigh (to Allah), in the gardens of delights.

A numerous company from among the first and a few from among the latter, on thrones decorated, reclining on them, facing one another.

Round about them shall go youths never altering in age, with goblets and ewers and a cup of pure drink; they shall not be affected with headache thereby, nor shall they get exhausted, and fruits such as they choose, and the flesh of fowl such as they Desire.

And pure, beautiful ones, the like of the hidden pearls: A reward for what they used to do.

They shall not hear therein vain or sinful discourse, except the Word Peace, peace.

And the companions of the right hand; how happy are the companions of the right hand! Amid thorn-less lote-trees, and banana-trees (with fruits), one above another! And extended shade, and water flowing constantly, and abundant fruit, neither intercepted nor forbidden, and exalted thrones!

Surely we have made them to grow into a (new) growth, then we have made them virgins, loving, equals in age. (The Quran, chapter 56: The Event: 11-37)

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Originally posted by Tamahu
I'm disappointed that any learned person would take the "72 Virgins" teaching literally.

So are the families of the thousands of innocent people butchered by such people.

It looks to me like a direct reference to Yesod, Eden, the Voluptuous Garden of Delights.

Tell that to Ali and Habib as they behead you on film for Al Jezeera.

Again Masonic Light a pitiful attempt at a "masonic spin." I think you need to get back on the Nextel and have your W.M. help you come up with an answer here on the ATS board. Sweftl337 has busted you out everytime, and you have done nothing except drop smart remarks. Sweftl337 is exactly right about what Manly P. Hall said about Islam. You can't even debate the facts and neither can your brothers on this board How long will it be before you U2U all the rest of your clown brothers on this board? Railing them to try and get Sweftl337 kicked off the board Manly P. Hall said it best about freemasonry, Islam, and you. Never trust a mason

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[edit on 3-3-2007 by Andy Warhol]

Originally posted by Andy Warhol
Manly P. Hall said it best about freemasonry, Islam, and you. Never trust a mason

I really don't think that Manly P. Hall would have said "Never trust a Mason". lol

However, Manly P. Hall did fight for the purification of modern FreeMasonry, as he was no doubt aware of the corrupting influences that have taken hold therein...




[edit on 3-3-2007 by Tamahu]

Originally posted by Masonic Light
So are the families of the thousands of innocent people butchered by such people.

Tell that to Ali and Habib as they behead you on film for Al Jezeera.

As many fanatics as there may be within Muhammadanism(as within Christianity and other religious sects), the situation is not as bad as the Zionist "Fox News" makes it out to be.


The sad thing is, that Zionism is taking advantage of the fact that various Muhammadan sub-sects are fighting each other, when the various Islamic sects should unite in order to fight Zionism.




[edit on 3-3-2007 by Tamahu]

Originally posted by Tamahu




I really don't think that Manly P. Hall would have said "Never trust a Mason". lol

Of course not. Just more typical spin from liars like Warhol. To suggest a highly respected and honored Mason like Hall was anti-Masonic is beyong adsurd.

However, Manly P. Hall did fight for the purification of modern FreeMasonry, as he was no doubt aware of the corrupting influences that have taken hold therein...

Please quote one single sentence where Hall suggests that there is a "corrupting influence" in Masonry. Hall spent his entire life showing the purity of the Fraternity.

Originally posted by Tamahu


As many fanatics as there may be within Muhammadanism(as within Christianity and other religious sects), the situation is not as bad as the Zionist "Fox News" makes it out to be.

I don't watch Fox News, so it is irrelevant. Nor am i concerned about make believe Zionists or homosexuals or whatever else on your "Black Lodge" list. The reality of the situation is totally different.

As for the Muslims, sure, there are many moderate and liberal Muslims who look with disdain upon the fundamentalists. But these folks are Muslims in name only. Remember the Islamic practice of dhimmi?

As Pike mentioned in "Morals and Dogma", it is absurd that men of intellect and learning could consider Muhammed an inspired prophet. He's a mid-eastern Joseph Smith.

The sad thing is, that Zionism is taking advantage of the fact that various Muhammadan sub-sects are fighting each other, when the various Islamic sects should unite in order to fight Zionism.

If you really feel that way, perhaps you should go tell them that. I think that you would away with a completely different view of isalm and "Zionism" if you dealt with them in the real world (if they let you walk away at all).

what the i dont get it what is free mason what is anti mason and normal mason i dont they worhsip satan but i dont get it can anyone tell me?

IS the topic of discussion

A reminder of the Original Post:

Originally posted by RazorFang
Hello everyone i was just wondering why do people think muslims are terroists why does every religon want to have war with them i mean cmon they did make some christians in to muslims or somthing like that yes so wat there just making a religon anyways what happens if u destroy their temple how would u like if they destroyed every last temple in the world why what did they do wrong in the past all of the religons u have to ask ur self is ur religon good or bad Especially masons and jews so u have to admit are sacrifices good ir bad is killing good or bad so think about

Please focus further responses on the actual topic, as opposed to each other.


Thank you.

I don't think that Muslims are terrorists, I think that some terrorists can be Muslims.

I think that there can be good or bad people in every group. Whether we talk about being Jewish, Muslim, Masonic, Christian, Atheist, etc - I do not see anything evil about these groups as a whole.

Unfortunately, there are bad apples in just about every barrel - however, we should not let this blind us to what virtue does exist. There are also good, decent, honorable, heroic people from every group as well.