The People v. Richard Cheney

The People v. Richard Cheney

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Taken from a GQ (yes GQ!) article.

When the Founding Fathers crafted the U.S. Constitution, they wanted to be sure that the president, vice president, and other ranking officials could be evicted more easily than the British monarchy. To ensure that the process would be swift and certain, they made it simple...

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From GQ

...With Cheney, there are also no lingering questions about capacity, motive, or malice. Over the past six years, as the country has spiraled into military misadventure, fiscal madness, and environmental meltdown, the vice president has not merely been wrong about the issues; he has been duplicitous, deceitful, and deliberately destructive to the American democracy. These things can no longer be denied by rational minds...

The article goes on to outline his alleged crimes in great detail, specifically those that involve his failure to uphold the constitution. Quite an interesting read for constitutionalists.

Waaaaaa.

Every four years we have the option to revolt against the administration. Two years ago, we chose not to. In two more years this administration, and Cheney, will be removed from power.

I suspect at this time media outlets like GQ will go bankrupt because they won't have anything left to whine about.

Originally posted by apc
Waaaaaa.

Are you suggesting then that we allow our elected officials to trample the constitution until their terms expire? I'm for keeping them honest regardless of their political leanings.

Failure to do so sets a dangerous precedent.

I applaud your shot at GQ, however.

The problem is . . . that in four or two years the damage that this people in power can do will be with "We the people" for generations to come. . .

The US government has made a commitment to keep bad governments even it that means the death of the nations just to show the rest of the world that we are leaders of democracy and that our nation is the best example of how the democratic system works.

But more and more we have seen the degradation and corruption of what it was once a great political system, it has fell in the hands of a few and they control the power in this nation not matter who is elected or not.

[edit on 28-2-2007 by marg6043]

This is a damn good idea. Get them (Bush, Cheney, & company) out of there asap. If we can impeach Clinton for having private relationships, we can surely hold this administration accountable for the numerous errors leading to the demise of our country's reputation, misleading congress, and many other things.

Vote To Impeach!

There is actually a simple way to get Bush & Cheney out of the way.
What you do is this. Send Bush, & Cheney on a hunting trip. When Cheney shoots Bush, the secret service will shoot Cheney.
It's perfect!

Originally posted by marg6043
show the rest of the world that we are leaders of democracy and that our nation is the best example of how the democratic system works.

But more and more we have seen the degradation and corruption of what it was once a great political system, it has fell in the hands of a few and they control the power in this nation not matter who is elected or not.

[edit on 28-2-2007 by marg6043]

You just laid out the problem masterfully, but lets look at the mechanics behind why it is that way.

As you said, we try to be the "leaders of democracy" but this leads to the "degradation and corruption of what was once a great political system." We were once a great political system, and in our intended state we can be again. It is this very democracy you talk about that will ruin us. It is this very democracy that is against US law! We are supposed to have a set of clear cut rules, articles that define us as a government of the people, that define us as a society. We are supposed to be a republic, never a democracy.

Democracy is mob rule. It is three wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner. Like you pointed out, the mob can ignore the constitution when they so choose and have an effect for generations. My great grandparent's generation decided to ignore the rules and chose to pave the road for our modern socialist system, to allow the waging of a drug war and to regulate firearms, to set up a rigid tax structure to pay for it all. Great Grandpa and Grandma were socialist, as afraid as they were of communism, and because they got comfortable and allowed the government to get out of line we have to suffer.

Thanks Grandpa, but you can have your democracy back now!

Originally posted by befoiled
Are you suggesting then that we allow our elected officials to trample the constitution until their terms expire? I'm for keeping them honest regardless of their political leanings.

Failure to do so sets a dangerous precedent.

I don't agree that they have "trampled" our constitution. That, however, is subject to debate.

Originally posted by cavscout

Democracy is mob rule. It is three wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner.

Democracy is not "mob rule" as you call it. We are not the "mob" or "wolves" as you say; in our current state of affairs the people have no power. It is more like three "sheep" (the people) vs one "wolf" (the government). The impeachment process is there for a reason, to remove a leader who is acting in a way that the people do not approve of. According to the latest poll results, Bush/Cheney are not acting in a way the people approve of. Therefore, it is our duty to impeach.

From teh article:

men.style.com...
During the several months preceding the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, the vice president endeavored to bypass the role of the Central Intelligence Agency as the nation’s principal filter of raw intelligence, directing subordinates within the agency to “stovepipe” raw intelligence directly to his office.

That is not a crime.

the vice president became privy to unanalyzed, unverified data

Not a crime.

deliberately obstructing the role of the CIA and promoting known forgeries to bolster his case for war

Going against the CIA's recommendations is not a crime.

to create a substitute intelligence agency within the Pentagon, known as the Office of Special Plans,

Not a crime.

with instructions to contradict unfavorable information emerging from the CIA.

This has never been demonstrated, and wouldn't be a crime anyway. Tasking an agency with coming up with alternative explanations is not a crime.

the Office of Special Plans sought to undermine the authority legally vested in the CIA

Not a crime. If the executive branch wants to have an alternate source of military intelligence, its perfectly legal for it to do so.

the vice president, acting personally and through subordinates, has obstructed the democratic institutions of the nation and undermined the rule of law.

Because he didn't listen to the CIA?
No. Not a crime.


What, if anything, does anyone find convicing from that GQ magazine article?

Nygdan- You glossed over many parts of the article and deemed them "not a crime".

Is lying to congress not a crime anymore? All the people who said Clinton's lying was a crime would be hypocrites if they said Bush's use of false evidece was any different.

And I guess you didn't read the article...It says that whatever the HOR deems an impeachable offense by simple majority is enough to impeach. It does not have to be a legal offense.

Originally posted by Nygdan
Not a crime. If the executive branch wants to have an alternate source of military intelligence, its perfectly legal for it to do so.

I offer that it's not just an alternative source, but a manufactured source used to propagate a lie that enabled them (the aministration) to launch this immoral war to begin with.

The death, suffering, and displacement of hundreds of hundreds of thousand Iraqis is sufficient to convict them of crimes. War crimes.

We can try them for treason for their part in American deaths later.

ATTENTION MODERATORS

You need an I hate Bush and Cheney area just like you've seperated all the other areas on ATS.

When I first signed up here it wasn't this bad. All you have it people arguing back and forth about this crap.

How is this thread breaking news?

Please move this to the appropriate place.

Enough already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you suggesting then that we allow our elected officials to trample the constitution until their terms expire?

Oh, and who wont trample on our constitional rights? the dems? *ROARS LAUGHING* those asshats just decided to try to disarm americans in time of WAR! WTF do they think will happen if we ever are invaded? that the attackers will stick only to military targets?

BOTH parties need to go. Neither one of them represents the people of the US.

[edit on 28-2-2007 by XphilesPhan]

In one month, lots can happen with this crew.

It doesnt matter when the impeachment happens...Just do it NOW.

Originally posted by ProfTom
ATTENTION MODERATORS

You need an I hate Bush and Cheney area just like you've seperated all the other areas on ATS.

When I first signed up here it wasn't this bad. All you have it people arguing back and forth about this crap.

How is this thread breaking news?

Please move this to the appropriate place.

Enough already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, kidding.

MOD NOTE: One Liner

BOTH parties need to go. Neither one of them represents the people of the US.

I agree somewhat with you on this. America definitely needs new leadership in both parties. I'm a pretty big liberal and I dont like the candidates for our 2008 campaign so I completely understand what youre saying.

Nygdan

The problem with your analysis is that what you see as not a crime is due to the fact that our own elected officials has made possible to be able to get away with anything they want because they had made a point to not be hold accountable for the mistakes they make.

What one Party in power does the next one just cash out of it, that will keep each of the elite parties in power with the right to do as they please without any accountability, more and more this is a very clear indication of the poor state of our political system and the corruption of the people that rules our nation.

If nothing this elected officials are doing is not a crime . . . then when they will be brought to justice? for the crimes they are committing against our nation, our constitution and the people of this nation.

It seems that justice will never be serve . . .

[edit on 28-2-2007 by marg6043]

Originally posted by XphilesPhan

BOTH parties need to go. Neither one of them represents the people of the US.

The dems get no free ride with me, especially when it comes to the second amendment. But, since we're still languishing in the dark ages under neocon rule, they have center stage.

We'll all have plenty to whine about when we put Obama or Edwards in office in '08. I'll be right there with you.