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Originally posted by Johnmike
Hmm... It depends, especially since the Supreme Court said that the Act was Constitutional. Can you find specific examples of why the Patriot Act is unconstitutional?
SEC. 106. ACCESS TO CERTAIN BUSINESS RECORDS UNDER SECTION 215 OF THE USA PATRIOT ACT.
(a) Director Approval for Certain Applications- Subsection (a) of section 501 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1861(a)) is amended--
(1) in paragraph (1), by striking `The Director' and inserting `Subject to paragraph (3), the Director'; and
(2) by adding at the end the following:
`(3) In the case of an application for an order requiring the production of library circulation records, library patron lists, book sales records, book customer lists, firearms sales records, tax return records, educational records, or medical records containing information that would identify a person, the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation may delegate the authority to make such application to either the Deputy Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation or the Executive Assistant Director for National Security (or any successor position). The Deputy Director or the Executive Assistant Director may not further delegate such authority.'.
(b) Factual Basis for Requested Order- Subsection (b)(2) of such section is amended to read as follows:
`(2) shall include--
`(A) a statement of facts showing that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the tangible things sought are relevant to an authorized investigation (other than a threat assessment) conducted in accordance with subsection (a)(2) to obtain foreign intelligence information not concerning a United States person or to protect against international terrorism or clandestine intelligence activities, such things being presumptively relevant to an authorized investigation if the applicant shows in the statement of the facts that they pertain to--
`(i) a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power;
`(ii) the activities of a suspected agent of a foreign power who is the subject of such authorized investigation; or
`(iii) an individual in contact with, or known to, a suspected agent of a foreign power who is the subject of such authorized investigation; and
(B) an enumeration of the minimization procedures adopted by the Attorney General under subsection (g) that are applicable to the retention and dissemination by the Federal Bureau of Investigation of any tangible things to be made available to the Federal Bureau of Investigation based on the order requested in such application.'.
(c) Clarification of Judicial Discretion- Subsection (c)(1) of such section is amended to read as follows:
`(c)(1) Upon an application made pursuant to this section, if the judge finds that the application meets the requirements of subsections (a) and (b), the judge shall
enter an ex parte order as requested, or as modified, approving the release of tangible things. Such order shall direct that minimization procedures adopted pursuant to subsection (g) be followed.'.
(d) Additional Protections- Subsection (c)(2) of such section is amended to read as follows:
`(2) An order under this subsection--
`(A) shall describe the tangible things that are ordered to be produced with sufficient particularity to permit them to be fairly identified;
`(B) shall include the date on which the tangible things must be provided, which shall allow a reasonable period of time within which the tangible things can be assembled and made available;
`(C) shall provide clear and conspicuous notice of the principles and procedures described in subsection (d);
`(D) may only require the production of a tangible thing if such thing can be obtained with a subpoena duces tecum issued by a court of the United States in aid of a grand jury investigation or with any other order issued by a court of the United States directing the production of records or tangible things; and
`(E) shall not disclose that such order is issued for purposes of an investigation described in subsection (a).'
(e) Prohibition on Disclosure- Subsection (d) of such section is amended to read as follows:
`(d)(1) No person shall disclose to any other person that the Federal Bureau of Investigation has sought or obtained tangible things pursuant to an order under this section, other than to--
`(A) those persons to whom disclosure is necessary to comply with such order;
`(B) an attorney to obtain legal advice or assistance with respect to the production of things in response to the order; or
`(C) other persons as permitted by the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation or the designee of the Director.
`(2)(A) A person to whom disclosure is made pursuant to paragraph (1) shall be subject to the nondisclosure requirements applicable to a person to whom an order is directed under this section in the same manner as such person.
`(B) Any person who discloses to a person described in subparagraphs (A), (B), or (C) of paragraph (1) that the Federal Bureau of Investigation
has sought or obtained tangible things pursuant to an order under this section shall notify such person of the nondisclosure requirements of this subsection.
`(C) At the request of the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation or the designee of the Director, any person making or intending to make a disclosure under this section shall identify to the Director or such designee the person to whom such disclosure will be made or to whom such disclosure was made prior to the request, but in no circumstance shall a person be required to inform the Director or such designee that the person intends to consult an attorney to obtain legal advice or legal assistance.'.
Originally posted by Johnmike
Originally posted by Maverickhunter
And if we dont' impeach chaney first... bush will still be president :|.
So, what would you choose, I would choose the lesser of the two evils. Chaney is eviler than Bush and he has intent on destroying this nation through his foreign policy and sending our nation into panick by staying at a base in Afghanistan:
/3xpwyb
He shot someone with a gun:
www.truthdig.com...
Chaney thinks that gay marriage should be a state issue and that it should be handled even though it is their right whether they choose to be gay or not:
www.washingtonpost.com...
So...what's wrong with hiding after a bomb blast? The Vice President of the United States is an exceptional target at a time of war, and by keeping him exposed, the military would be putting him in extreme danger.
He shot someone accidentally while hunting. I don't see your point.
I personally think that many things that are federally decided should be decided by state. It is their right to be homosexual, but whether or not gay marriage should be allowed depends on what your definition of marriage is. At the least, however, I personally think gays should be allowed to have recognized civil unions.
You haven't shown any reason for Cheney to be impeached.
[edit on 17-3-2007 by Johnmike]
Originally posted by Maverickhunter
My main goal is to try to convince people that this war is unnecessary because we went to war on false intelligence. We need better intelligence.
Originally posted by Maverickhunter
That being said, I believe that we need someone for the next President of the United States that can control the damage that was caused by the last President. We need to make sure that we can uphold by the constitution. This current President has failed to uphold our constitution, and our national security as well.
Originally posted by Maverickhunter
...apparently the situation is getting out of control and people are blaming an entire religion for the acts of an organized group of a few that is claiming that they are attacking our nation and that is causing even more chaos.
Originally posted by Maverickhunter
I say we build walls around buildings or put rocks or trashcans around them to stop or prevent terrorist attacks, so they do not get damaged from one tragic attack.
Originally posted by Maverickhunter
we are a free nation. We can vote for who we choose to. We don't have a dress-code that involves religion. But is it all free? NO OF COURSE IT ISN'T.
Originally posted by Maverickhunter
There are these secret societies running amock in our government that are controlling what happens right and left and they are telling people what to do. For instance there is one place called the Bohemian Groove which is a place where either rich people or politicians hang out together and they perform satanic rituals-- to further the goal of the New World Order. And-- I want full disclosure of the new world order, and all of its games that it plays with us, I want complete freedom from the New World Order, until then North America can never be free.
Originally posted by Maverickhunter
I blame the entire nation for paying to much attention to Clinton and his sex scandals and for making the country of China a Super Power. He lulled the country to sleep and then BAM let the country get hit by the big one.
Originally posted by Maverickhunter
I believe we need to secure Iraq's boarders. If we don't it will become a safe haven for terrorists to plot their attacks against the West.
Originally posted by Maverickhunter
The no child left behind act? Many teachers are furious about that because they cannot stand how when one person fails a class then the entire school fails so they have to pass all of the kids. That means that everyone has to pass the class, and well, what if they cannot pass the class? That means they have to take it again in summer school then the teacher gets furious! Believe me I know many teachers that would get outraged over this.
Originally posted by Maverickhunter
NO TERRORIST ATTACKS WILL HAPPEN ON OUR HOME SOIL for a long time until we need to go to war with Iran because I believe all of these attacks are controlled attacks by a military industrial compound-- called FEMA. I believe they are behind 9-11 and if my recall serves my memory right they were not under jurisdiction of homeland security before 9-11, then after that they were, coincidence? I THINK NOT!!! That means that the US government may have control over all of FEMAs policies and they may make sure that another attack happens so they can fully reveal the true United States government and it will go into a fully operational status (I am talking about the shadow government).
Originally posted by Maverickhunter
I think we need boarder patrol. The possibilities of some terrorist using gangs from Mexico into North America and them getting a nuke in are larger then ever before. We need policemen on the boarder so that they can get stopped so that no one gets through that is an illegal Alien.
Originally posted by Maverickhunter
I don't believe going to war with Iran or North Korea or China is going to work because Russia is going to back those countries up... and I don't think we're going to want to go to another arms race so I hope we handle that issue with diplomacy.
Originally posted by Maverickhunter
Oh yeah, and I want the truth revealed, I don't want journalism to be false anymore, I don't want false journalism, I will work my best so that people produce clean and legit sites that are not hoaxes. (i.e like the person that claimed that CIA jets disguised as Iranians were going to attack a US Aircraft Carrier in the gulf coast). Also, more hoaxes about North korea MUST NOT BE TOLERATED.
Well, I said that we should invade Europe then that we should invade Europe only when the terrorists try to take over and then I said what I meant was to have a foreign presence in Europe to make sure they do not spy on us or our allies-- or that they do submit to radical Islam because of all of the suicide bombing taking place in Europe that's causing all of the commotion. I am thinking of a certain number of things, we need to reduce the violence in the Middle East that conflicts with our own interests and our own allies directly. We should not be focusing on suicide bombings or terrorism in a nation that has a history of it that would not attack or have an intent on toppling our nation.
We cannot allow any outside influence from any terrorist organizations change our way of thinking and we need to defeat anyone who declared war on us. Even if Osama Bin Laden never did attack us on 9-11 and even though they said that they were not responsible for the attacks and that we were they made it a paradox and made it seem that they didn't do it but that we declared war against them when it was they who continued battling us and made it clear that they are a valiant enemy and that we should defeat them at all costs.
We should accost Al-queda on their home soil and we should not allow them to regroup so that we cannot let them invade Europe. Their idea is that since they can attack our Military in a country which we know little about that they can take us over, and that they can attack our police, and invade us from Mexico and smuggle material to build nukes in here. Without liittle denial, we can see that Al-queda has made several attempts to smuggle uranium into the nation so that they can make nukes and turn a bad situation into a worse one but we need to see to them that we are very coherent in what we want to do with their regime that is being supported by obviously many financial networks around the globe because apparently someone, some group, some organization, or some government is supporting Al-queda because they would not have the money had they not been supported by an outside group. If this means that the U.N or someone within the United States government is supporting Al-queda that official or those officials need to be recalled or called back so that they don't cause any more harm or they need to be impeached and if it is the current President we need to get rid of him to get rid of the violence.
I am ashamed of how our country supports George W Bush, the man may have done some things right but I cannot see what he has done right since then. He should have been impeached before the situation in Iraq got out of control but the reason why I don't want that to happen is that Cheney would be President.
As an anti-war candidate, do you advocate full transparancy for our intelligence agencies? How much more money needs to be spent on domestic and overseas intelligence gathering to make us safer?
Do you plan to act on strict interpretations of the U.S. Constitution? If so, are you prepared to give up any of the Executive powers which have been assumed by the Bush43 administration?
Would you be willing to make a formal apology to the Islamists for American activities in the wake of 9/11? If so, do you think it would do any good?
Are you proposing heightened security measures beyond what's already in place? If so, how will you pay for them? Could we expect to see new legislation sent to Congress on this matter during your first 100 days in office?p
That sounds like a veiled promise of higher taxes. Would you be willing to explain what your tax policy would be, in the even you are elected to the Presidency?
How should the average citizen go about making amends for the shame that you suggest? Should we assume that you plan to massively upgrade the nation's intelligence gathering capability? If so, how will you pay for it?
Originally posted by Maverickhunter
I would reveal what the public needs to know at times when I deem necessary. I will not keep my motives secret and I am even working on a campaign site which sheds light on the ideas that I am talking about.
Originally posted by Maverickhunter
We should monitor all communications and intelligence and phone systems, but only to the extent that they do infringe on our national security. If they are none of our business we don’t have the right to go peek in their business and bother him since that would be illegal. I’m saying we SHOULD do this but that doesn’t mean that we will, since that’s illegal, and we saw what happened with the bush administration, so we don’t do this.
Originally posted by Maverickhunter
I would reveal what the public needs to know at times when I deem necessary. I will not keep my motives secret and I am even working on a campaign site which sheds light on the ideas that I am talking about.
So you feel that privacy doesn't matter? You think that just because something is a society that its people have no Fourth Amendment rights? Sorry, but forcing a society to disclose all information is illegal search and seizure.
Originally posted by Maverickhunter
We should monitor all communications and intelligence and phone systems, but only to the extent that they do infringe on our national security. If they are none of our business we don’t have the right to go peek in their business and bother him since that would be illegal. I’m saying we SHOULD do this but that doesn’t mean that we will, since that’s illegal, and we saw what happened with the bush administration, so we don’t do this.
Originally posted by Johnmike
Originally posted by Maverickhunter
I would reveal what the public needs to know at times when I deem necessary. I will not keep my motives secret and I am even working on a campaign site which sheds light on the ideas that I am talking about.
So you feel that privacy doesn't matter? You think that just because something is a society that its people have no Fourth Amendment rights? Sorry, but forcing a society to disclose all information is illegal search and seizure.
Originally posted by Maverickhunter
We should monitor all communications and intelligence and phone systems, but only to the extent that they do infringe on our national security. If they are none of our business we don’t have the right to go peek in their business and bother him since that would be illegal. I’m saying we SHOULD do this but that doesn’t mean that we will, since that’s illegal, and we saw what happened with the bush administration, so we don’t do this.
Yup, guess the Fourth Amendment isn't important at all.
Originally posted by Freedom ERP
What would your administration do to help its ally, the UK, if faced with the issue that British troops have been taken prisoner by Iran? while supporting operations in Iraq?
Originally posted by Maverickhunter
- get rid of the press stories that they are making
Originally posted by Johnmike
Originally posted by Maverickhunter
- get rid of the press stories that they are making
So you advocate totalitarian government control over the press?
Originally posted by Johnmike
So you think that the press has no right of free speech? How anti-American.
Originally posted by Johnmike
Since when does the government pay any news network to broadcast anything?
And you want PARTY-OPERATED news networks?! Talk about propaganda!