Obese Child to be Removed From Parents

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Send your kid to school with a real butter knife in his lunch and youve supplied him with a weapon. Government breaks your family apart.

Why int the world would you put a butter knife in your childs lunch in the
first place?

I mean are you gonna be to lazy to fix there sandwich for them or what?

Refuse to let the "social worker" in your home and suddenly youre a threat to yourself and others. Government breaks your family apart.

If a social worker actually has to be sent to your home, than you probably
are a threat to those in your care, either through action or inaction.

I mean anyways, why would you not let them in, unless you are not being
a good parent?

And I realize how that sounds.

However that's not to say such things are infallible.

It wont be long before they come after you for not vacinating or for home schooling or for even teaching a religion to your children.

Well, until the child can decide for themselves, than it is irresponsible to
not give them neccessary vaccinations, however I do realize not all
vaccinations may be exactly neccessary.

As for home schooling, well I dissaprove of that, so I would'nt mind seeing
it made illegal unless you are sticking to a course based on real education
and science, and not interjecting religion into it.

And children should develop beliefs on there own, not be force fed
religious dogma.

Is there any difference between religious dogma and government dogma? Or is it as simple as you approve of one and not the other?

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Is there any difference between religious dogma and government dogma? Or is it as simple as you approve of one and not the other?

Dogma is dogma, people should develop there own beliefs and ideas,
not be force fed them.

Originally posted by iori_komei

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Is there any difference between religious dogma and government dogma? Or is it as simple as you approve of one and not the other?

Dogma is dogma, people should develop there own beliefs and ideas,
not be force fed them.

And government school doesnt force feed?

There's nothing wrong with being naturally chubby, especially if you're still active and exercise regularly then your heart will still be keeping in shape. The problem is when people just sit around all day and play video games or watch TV and eat and don't get any exercise at all.

I only asked the America thing because I was curious and i'd never been. But another slightly off-topic question that's on my mind;

do you think that nations with compulsory military service for teenagers have young adults/teens that are less likely to be unhealthy and obese? Because maybe it would get people into the mindset that keeping fit is good, rather than being lazy, and those people would probably to go on and encourage their kids to exercise as well. Just a thought.

Originally posted by Flighty
Everyone should applaud MCDONALDS and other fast food outlets who brainwashed 2 generations of low IQers that they could eat supersizes without mentioning the side effect of Obesity, until a few years ago when fat people started to sue. The wonders of capitalism and irresponsible advertising.
Will the western world ever recover?

McDonald's never advertised their food as low-cal or low-fat ... everyone who eats at a fast food joint is either well aware of how bad the food is for you or is incredibly stupid. Like anything else it's okay on ocassion but not for every day consumption.

So it's the tobacco industry's fault if I get lung cancer and it must be the alcohol industry's fault if I get liver disease. Now I just need to figure out who's to blame if I jump off my roof and break my back; it certainly couldn't be me, maybe the home builder for not telling me how dangerous that was.

It's ridiculous how common sense seems to be gone these days and everyone wants to be compensated by somebody when something "bad" happens to them.

It's high time people take ownership for their actions. If you're a fodo addict/drug addict/smoker/heavy drinker or whatever and there are health consequences it is no ones fault but your own.

As far as this young man is concerned it's sad that his parents have allowed him to get to that size. He's 8 and pretty much weighs the same as me. I can't imagine walking around at the age with that much weight. There's a difference between overweight/chubby and extreme obesity. Hopefully they will start to work closesly with this family, weekly visits and whatnot, and try to show the mom what needs to be done to bring his weight down. Taking him away from mom would have to be a last resort ... while it may have a positive result on his weight I can't see that having an overall positive effect on him.

America has become obese fairly recently, but the problem is growing, before it was cases like the one in the UK in which children were taken from parents because it was considered child abuse, but now that the parents are as big as the children is now a case of family history as the new generations of children born from obese parents keeps growing.

In the UK may be the beginning of the new obesity epidemic in which the parents and family are fairly fine with their weight but the child is obviously morbidly obese . . .

When parents and children start to look the same then it will become a family history or genetics problem.

This is the best way that society is coping with the obese epidemic, when it comes to the point that everybody is over weight and is already various generations of people born and developing obesity it becomes the trend and is no longer unacceptable in society . . . thin people will become the oddity . . .

We are already accommodating for the growing society as people have noticed how now we hear more and more that big is beautiful

In some cases parents are at fault, but is also genetic problems, hormonal problems and sickness that is beyond parents control.

[edit on 26-2-2007 by marg6043]

Originally posted by iori_komei

Refuse to let the "social worker" in your home and suddenly youre a threat to yourself and others. Government breaks your family apart.

If a social worker actually has to be sent to your home, than you probably
are a threat to those in your care, either through action or inaction.

I mean anyways, why would you not let them in, unless you are not being
a good parent?

And I realize how that sounds.

However that's not to say such things are infallible.

Another of those "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about" posts.

Last time social services was involved with my daughter and I it was because I tried to get counseling for my daughter after I found out she had been abused. The counselor never even discussed the abuse but immediately started in about my daughter being biracial and that it would be better for her to be with her own kind. The counselor said I was being abusive because I didn't want to abandon my daughter and turned me in to social services. I still have my daughter; however, social services has the power to take any child away from his or her home and if the parent is low income then the chances of the parent getting the child back are very slim since you'd be showing to court without an attorney. Anyone can have a grudge against you and make an anonymous call to social services and you can potentially lose your child through no fault of your own. It all depends on the social worker. A lot of them I have experienced go in with your attitude that if a social worker is being called in that the parent must be guilty. There is no innocent until PROVEN guilty when it comes to social services. Some parents don't even get a chance to prove innocence. And social services are immune from law suits, so you could lose your child through no fault of your own, prove your innocence years later, and the system says tough luck getting compensated for it.

Wow. I can't believe how hard everyone is being about this. The child has an eating disorder. If he were anorexic or bulemic, I doubt we'd be hearing all this blame on the parent. People don't think of an obese child as having the same disease as an anorexic, but it is. It just manifests in a different way.

A close family friend was anorexic and I studied up on it. Eating disorders are about control. The child feels that they cannot control anything in their life except for what they eat (or refuse to eat).

Eating Disorders
However, eating disorders are not about dieting or vanity; they're complex psychological disorders in which an individual's eating patterns are developed--and then habitually maintained--in an attempt to cope with other problems in their life.
...
Binge-Eating
The essential features of binge-eating disorder are recurrent, out-of-control episodes of consuming abnormally large amounts of food. People with this disorder eat whether they are hungry or not and continue eating well past being uncomfortably full. If left untreated, the consequences of binge-eating can be severe. The disorder often leads to obesity, which is responsible for as many as 300,000 deaths year, or other serious and often life-threatening eating disorders such as bulimia nervosa and anorexia nervosa. Those who suffer from binge-eating disorder are also at high risk of substance-related disorders and serious psychiatric conditions, including depression, panic disorders, anxiety disorders, and personality disorders.

Compulsive Eating Disorder
Compulsive eaters feel incapable of controlling how much or how often they eat. They may feel unable to stop eating, eat very fast, eat when they're not hungry, eat when they're only alone, or eat nearly non-stop throughout the day. Compulsive eaters often over-indulge in sugary foods and use them in an attempt to elevate their mood. When they don't eat the foods they crave, they often experience severe withdrawal symptoms.

I'm just saying, look further than thinking "What a fat kid. The parents are worthless..." There's likely something much deeper going on here. If the kid is eating in secret and hiding food, the mom may very well need help in dealing with it.


[edit on 26-2-2007 by Benevolent Heretic]

Originally posted by marg6043
We are already accommodating for the growing society as people have noticed how now we hear more and more that big is beautiful
[edit on 26-2-2007 by marg6043]

Nah I don't think it will get to the stage that people would rather be obese than not and thin people are an oddity. I know lazing around and eating what you want is easy, but the majority of people (that I know, anyway) would prefer to stay in shape and healthy, be able to enjoy sport and have a lower risk of heart disease.

There's such terms as 'cuddly' or 'chubby' but I don't think anyone thinks that morbidly obese is beautiful. Otherwise why would we have such followed things like the Atkin's diet and 'drop a jean size' programs?

Just goes to prove the point for have a license a breed

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I heard the mother on both BBC Radio 4 and BBC Radio 5 this morning. Seems this is not her fault, but that her son only wanted to eat unhealthy food and when it was suggested we offer health food, the mother said that starving her son was not right.

When I was young, I ate what was put in front of me or when without. Soon enough I ate what was put in front of me.

And even worst, this is tax payers money being wasted because it seems this mother is incapable bring her child up. Money that could be spent on helping really sick people or protecting the community better.

Fine the mother!!

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
There's likely something much deeper going on here. If the kid is eating in secret and hiding food, the mom may very well need help in dealing with it.

That is what I thought also and the reason I asked earlier; if this could be problem with the UK Government health care system.? As I understand it they have to approve all medical treatment (non-emergency) so why hasn't the social services put the kid in for medical treatment. Is it because they feel it is not an emergency thus think they have no need to act or what is going on here?

[edit on 2/26/2007 by shots]

Originally posted by Flighty
Everyone should applaud MCDONALDS and other fast food outlets who brainwashed 2 generations of low IQers that they could eat supersizes without mentioning the side effect of Obesity, until a few years ago when fat people started to sue. The wonders of capitalism and irresponsible advertising.
Will the western world ever recover?

Lets not blame others. Capatalism and advertising is no excuse for outright blatent ignorance. Anyone who thinks that they can eat McDonalds as a daily diet is an idiot plain and simple, they aren't MISLEAD. The problem with the Western world isn't its system its the people.

You have voted thisguyrighthere for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

Wow. It took 1 page of replies for someone to post a coherent statement.

How ignorant ATS people have become I think i know why I havent been on ATS quite a while. And i doubt that this visit won't be a long one either.

thisguy was absolutely right.

I would be way more concerned about the government abusing that poor child, than the mother.. if you look at the facts. Propaganda, and Day to Day Abductions and Child-Abuse is REAL.

And you still seem to be on "their" side. Do you notice how perfect the propaganda machinery works? Do you notice how ignorant and gross you people have become?

For you people there is always only 2 choices, exactly how they want to make us believe. Left or Right. Democrat or Conservative. Fat or Skinny. Take the child away, dont take it away.

The proper solution would be to leave the child with the mother, and help both of 'em to live a healthy life. Or do you want to say it is very "healthy" to take a child away from the mother? Is THAT what you really want to tell us?

There are never any logical solutions in our society. Everyone is too skinny or fat.. with people pointing at them and telling them that they are the problem. That it is their own fault. They are the cause for all this.

But the truth is, you are the ignorants. Because very few are able to properly be themselves anymore. Medicine is proposed to solve physical problems. Psychiatry is proposed to solve mental problems. Cosmetics or other symptomatical crap proposed to solve Superficial problems.

Do you realize it? Always 2 Options. 1 Choice. 1 Solution. And they are there.. ready to accomodate you in any "suitable" place.. for every "Sickness" created and caused by them. With one exception: If you try to chose something else, or want another kind of solution. Then there is no place for you. No treatment or institution.

It has happened many times before. With the Native Indians, Gipsies, or whatever.. Switzerland, Belgium, America.. it does not matter at all.

But you people still believe being smart. Hanging out on ATS. Without even a slightest grasp about what truth or the human being is all about.

This is Hell on Earth. War on Terra!

Enjoy your stay.. my ignorant "Friends".

Im not British so how much is 14 stones? Make the kid lift weights after he eats, thats what I do, but still got a bit of fat around the waistline

I believe a stone is 14 pounds, so the kid would weigh about 195lbs.

I can accept that the kid may have an eating disorder but at 8 years old it's not like he's taking the car down to Wendy's for fourth meal or whatever. His mother is providing the food, she's in complete control of the the quality and quantity of food he gets. It's as simple as that.

If the kid only wants to eat unhealthy food when offered healthy alternatives, it is still the parents' fault. The kid got to know he enjoys junk food because it was made available to him in the first place. If there is no junk food in the house, there is no junk food that can be eaten. Simple as that. If he gets the thrill of raiding the fridge and hiding food, let him raid and hide carrot or celery sticks. I hated my parents at the time, but I'm sure as heck glad now I wasn't allowed to have the "sugary cereals" as a kid.

Whenever I'm over at the homes of some of my less health-conscious friends, I sometimes find myself mindlessly munching on chips or other junk food just because it's there. I don't keep the stuff at my place so when I'm at home there's not even that temptation.

The lady is guilty of child abuse, she may as well keep drugs or weapons lying around within his reach. She's killing the kid, and on top of the terrible health effects, if she maintains this course for him he'll have an even more burdensome life because he'll be teased, bullied, denied employment, etc. down the road. Poor kid.

The governments of the world are not needed to step into peoples lives as much as they have been lately. Big corporate food companies are what is making some people fat. All the different poison they are putting into our food is having an advere effect on certain people.

Not all some are just irresponcible, but a good share of people would not be like this if it was not for modern food.

Let the gov. take care of the out of control corporations that is what the Gov. is for! The people will take are of themselves. Big media, big corporate, that is what is wrong with the world. It can be ultimatly traced back to that.

You know, I'm going back and reading all the posts. It seems everyone wants to blame junkfood/fastfood. I must speak from a personal view here. I have traveled a great deal, no homecooked meals on the road, only fast food and take out. My weight stayed around average. However, as I cut back on work and stayed home more, I ate more actual meals from home. This is where all my weight gain happened. Due to mashed potatoes (my favorite), pastas, lasgnas, chicken, etc....I gained weight. Mostly due to the bulk and I was more likely to eat more. So to assume this kid only eats junk food to gain weight probably isn't accurate. My own son is a junk food/video game addict (exactly the kind of kid everyone here is describing) and I worry about his being underweight. He looks skeletal. I figure this is due to the nutrients being robbed out of his body from all the junk food, no nutritional value. Getting him to bulk up is our mission now.

My point here, I can't remember what, but maybe junk food isn't solely to blame. Maybe his mother just needs to make smaller portions of dinner.

Originally posted by osram
The proper solution would be to leave the child with the mother, and help both of 'em to live a healthy life. Or do you want to say it is very "healthy" to take a child away from the mother? Is THAT what you really want to tell us?

Did you properly read into this story? The kid had been with the mother for 8 years and was extremely unhealthy and getting worse. I mean he even missed most of his school life because of it. The poor kid could hardly fit his already oversized jeans on, how is that healthy or acceptable? People offered to help them and the mother just ignored them, so it was either the child services step in or the kid doesn't even live into adulthood.

Don't call people ignorant when you're the one who's ignoring the facts.