Asking Congress About the North American Union

The SPP does not relinquish any sovereignty or diminish the United States' ability to protect our borders and enforce our laws.

Hmmm? ARE we protecting our borders and enforcing our laws??

...Learn something new every day.

Our borders are not protected. Might as well tear down all the fences down and let the Mexicans in. Their coming in anyway. The SPP is a joke. This NAU is expected by 2010. Thats not much time for Americans. I don't know even if people revolted I don't know if that will be enough. We can write and send petitions until we're blue in the face- our government cares nothing for us. If they did our freedoms will not be hindered and will have a better way of life.

Sorry if I'm a bit negitive.

Yes, there are issues with our borders that need to be addressed, however that's a far cry from just giving up.

Yes, illegal aliens are coming in at an astounding rate, and something needs to be done about it. It's up to all Americans to do something about it.

The SPP is very real, and it must be stopped before it's too late.

You're right, again. We don't have much time. We must act now.

Our elected officials are there to represent us, not take our rights, liberties and freedoms away. If they try/do, then it is up to us to remove them from office. It is our responsibility.


Your signature says, "United We Stand". Divided we shall fall. This is America, and it is worth fighting for.

How much longer shall we wait before taking up arms and fomenting a revolt? Our forefathers knew a time would come when such action would be undoubtedly necessary as they provided for this in our Bill of Rights and Constitution. Our "Public Servants" (It is interesting to note the term has been usurped by "Authority" and "Officials" - very telling indeed) have long ago stopped serving the public and have been catering to the plutocracy, meritocracy, oligarchy at our expense.

I, for one, am completely fed up with our government and believe that we are on the eve of a full-fledged revolution. I could spend hours blathering on and on about our government but do not wish to derail such a superb thread. Good job!

That's a very good question.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
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Our "public servants" need to be reminded the fact of which they are. Not many people know that the Government works for us. We don't work for them. If people do know that, they are simply too apathetic to do anything about it.

I, too, am completely fed up with the doings of the Federal Government. We very well could be on the brink of another revolution, however, now is not the time.

There are 300 million American citizens (give or take 20 million) that could... AND SHOULD "step up to the plate" and voice their concerns. It is up to everyone nationwide to speak up. It is "your" duty as an American citizen.

If no one speaks up for their rights, what rights do we have? A full-fledged revolution is but the last resort. There's plenty of steps yet to be taken.

Thanks I'm not so blue now and thanks for the pep talk I needed it. Let us know if you get anymore letters from our dear congressmen. We don't have to fight now but I would say perhaps we should get ready- time to pull out the ole combat boots.

Originally posted by Leyla
Thanks I'm not so blue now and thanks for the pep talk I needed it. Let us know if you get anymore letters from our dear congressmen. We don't have to fight now but I would say perhaps we should get ready- time to pull out the ole combat boots.

I would have called it more a "reassurance" that your feelings are not unfounded. It is going to take more than just a few people to redress the Federal Government. It is going to take us all.

I encourage you to search out your thoughts, write them down, and send those issues/complaints/redress of grievances to your representatives, as well. Here's contact information for Congress and the President.

House Representatives
Senators
President of the United States

As far as putting on the combat boots... get em on. We all need to wear our "combat boots" because this is going to be a long uphill battle.

Originally posted by Infoholic
As far as putting on the combat boots... get em on. We all need to wear our "combat boots" because this is going to be a long uphill battle.

Sighs awwww do I have to. (Whines some more) Sighs..... Guess I better order some then I'm fresh out.

Originally posted by Leyla

Originally posted by Infoholic
As far as putting on the combat boots... get em on. We all need to wear our "combat boots" because this is going to be a long uphill battle.

Sighs awwww do I have to. (Whines some more) Sighs..... Guess I better order some then I'm fresh out.

Don't forget extra socks...Don't want you to get Trench Foot.

As for the government, probably the best thing to ask them, that could quite probably address all the issues at once is, "Why aren't you obeying the Constitution to which you swore an Oath?" After all, it's all the Offices of all three Branches, on both State & Federal levels that must take the Oath!

Originally posted by MidnightDStroyer

Originally posted by Leyla

Originally posted by Infoholic
As far as putting on the combat boots... get em on. We all need to wear our "combat boots" because this is going to be a long uphill battle.

Sighs awwww do I have to. (Whines some more) Sighs..... Guess I better order some then I'm fresh out.

Don't forget extra socks...Don't want you to get Trench Foot.

As for the government, probably the best thing to ask them, that could quite probably address all the issues at once is, "Why aren't you obeying the Constitution to which you swore an Oath?" After all, it's all the Offices of all three Branches, on both State & Federal levels that must take the Oath!

LOL yeah.. Guess I better order some. Sorry I didn't reply earlier.

Info Do you have a update yet?

[edit on 5/10/2007 by Leyla]

Unfortunately, no I don't have any updates as of now. I am anxiously awaiting some sort of reply.

Infoholic, I'm with ya on this 100%. I have been writing my senators and representative on the whole NAU/SPPI/NAFTA Super Highway, and now this new Transatlantic Economic Integration crap. I got a canned response from Sen. Patty Murray so far. I wrote back again just now. Earlier I was touching on too many issues at once, now I'm trying to limit the scope to these unconstitutional treaties.

My current argument is as follows, (Excerpt from my last e-mail to her):
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Signing treaties with foreign governments without 2/3 approval from the Senate is in clear violation of Article 2, Section 2 of the Constitution of the United States of America:

"He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur"

Senator Murray, This constitutes the high crime of Treason and is therefore an impeachable offense. The president has violated the Constitution. As it is only the House of Representatives that can forward Impeachment proceedings I will write Representative Larsen again, although I don't expect I'll get a response.
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I'll let you folks know what she (or her servant) says, but I know what it will be, (Excerpt from her previous reply to me):
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"I believe the best way to alter the direction that our country is headed in is to focus on fixing the current problems. At both the state and federal levels, there are many issues that require our attention, discussion, and action, and will require the President’s active involvement. I am concerned that progress on health care, education, and veteran’s care would all be put on hold and would not be fixed if Congress solely focused on impeachment proceedings.""
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To which I pointed out;

Your argument that Impeachment would get in the way of fixing problems like education, health care, veterans benefits, etc. is deeply flawed. You cant fix the current problems unless you secure for the future of our children the framework used to fix our problems. That framework is in real and imminent danger. It is called the Constitution. No Constitution = No framework to fix the problems. Your oath is to the Constitution. Any failure to act, any hesitation or ambivalence will result in us losing our Constitution, and our nation. Please rise to this challenge, for it is our greatest threat, and we are just about out of time.

You also made the argument that our nations current problems are because of the direction the administration has taken us. I patently reject that assertion as it takes 2 to tango, and congress is just as guilty because you are the ones giving him these authorizations and it is you who are not holding the administration accountable.
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I'll keep you folks informed, I am awaiting repies from Sen. Cantwell, and Rep. Larsen too. I hope it was cool to post portion of the reply I got, I didn't think starting a new thread on same topic would have flown with the mods, but on the same note I don't wish to hijack. Thx Infoholic, keep it up!

Kelldor

Kelldor,

I do not mind, nor should there be a problem with others adding to this thread. I'm pleased to see others taking an interest. I encourage anyone/everyone to add their own activities here.

Thanks for your input and addition to this thread. It's going to take a whole lot more people doing the same to get anything done.

You, too, keep up the good work!



Info.

I to tried to contact our NC states people but so far no response. Might not even get one. Though this does upset me-If they won't listen to us then what? Perhaps we should ready ourselves on supplies and such and head for the mountains. Our dear buddies the American Nazi party is here-lovely btw and a dangerious gang called the MS-13 from El Salvador, thats the most dangerious gang of all and they are here in the US right now!

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With cliques in Washington DC, Oregon, Alaska, Arkansas, Texas, Nevada, Utah, Oklahoma, Illinois, Michigan, New York, Maryland, Virginia, Georgia, Florida, Canada, El Salvador, Guatemala, Mexico, and several other South American countries.
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www.knowgangs.com...

www.altereddimensions.net...


The NAU is coming and not to mention our government failing us. And the 12 million+ illeagls in our country ruining our economy. I think we're in trouble big time.


To our nazi traitors we should first contact the FBI and then drop a line to the dear members finishing the note by telling them to Say hello to the FBI for me. I'm terrible I know.

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[edit on 5/12/2007 by Leyla]

I fear it may be too late to do anything about it, according to Joan Veon, who is an international journalist who covered most meetings about the NAU, and i quote,

"When I covered the second FTAA meeting in Santiago, Chile, I witnessed via a television monitor in the press room, the 34 Western Hemisphere heads of state sign a document that will integrate our countries into a new free trade zone. Then when I covered the follow-up meeting in Quebec, they signed another document. What I realized is that they were signing a new “Constitution” for the 21st Century."

She also goes on to explain that the Amero (new currency) is already a work in progress as dictated by the Council on foreign Relations in a document called The End of National Currency and that even if it were to come down to a vote the 13 commonwealth countries would outvote so it looks like for all the efforts were putting in to try and stop this, its outgrown us by becoming a 34 country effort to make this happen behind all their citizens back!

All media and mainstream jounalists are in the know and are keeping this underwraps! i mean i know theres some coverage but nearly not enough of it.

Infoholic, you are doing the right thing my friend

Now how to let other countries know so that they too can follow in these footsteps, with enough pressure, answers have to be forthcoming.

End of National Currency document here,

www.foreignaffairs.org...

Joan Veon, (extremely informative) here,

www.newswithviews.com...

as she says, "Question: What will you say to your children and grandchildren when they ask you, why did you allow this to happen?"

How do we stop this?

edit. to correct the media statement before i get flamed.






[edit on 12-5-2007 by incunabula]

ATS are we allowed to throw major hissy fits on here? Any thing in the terms and conditions? Because I'm about to throw one....*Throws a major hissy fit...* I mean come on! Did they even ask us what we wanted? No.. They sneak around behind our backs. Hardly no coverage at all except from Lou Dobbs from CNN who talked about it perhaps a month ago. And that was the first time I even heard about the NAU.

That is messed up, that our own government that we elected, keeps things from us such as the NAU. I don't know about you but I feel betrayed here.

I have just received a reply from Sen. Maria Cantwell of Washington;


Dear Mr. X,

Thank you for contacting me with your concerns about the creation of the North American Union. I appreciate hearing from you on this matter, and regret the delayed response.

As you may know, some recent news articles have reported of the possible creation of a North American Union. The concept of building a North American Union comes from the Independent Task Force on North America . The Task Force, sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations, the Canadian Council of Chief Executives, and the Mexican Council on Foreign Relations, analyzed the relationships between Canada , Mexico , and the United States since the implementation of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) in 1994. In its conclusions, it recommended the creation of a North American community by 2010. While this community would include a "common external tariff and an outer security perimeter within which the movement of people, products, and capital will be legal, orderly, and safe," it would not establish a union similar to that of the European Union and maintains that national sovereignty must be upheld and respected. Currently, there are no plans by the Administration or Congress to establish a North American community.

In March 2005, the United States did establish the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP) with Canada and Mexico . SPP set up a ministerial-level working group to address the different security and economic challenges facing North America as a whole. SPP is not a treaty nor a trade agreement; it represents a commitment to cooperation and joint action by the governments of Canada , Mexico , and the United States on economic matters.

I understand your concerns with the North American community and the SPP. It is important to note that the North American community is only a suggestion and that the SPP initiative is not a legally binding trade agreement. Both merely represent ideas on how to further the goals outlined by NAFTA more than ten years ago. Given the importance of trade to Washington state's economy, I believe that such discussions on how to expand market access for Washington state workers, businesses, and farmers are important.

Washington state has enjoyed substantial economic benefits from an increasingly global economy that has been largely dependent on trade. Indeed, our agricultural, technology, and aerospace sectors have helped make Washington one of the most trade dependent states in the nation - with one in three jobs related to trade. Opening access to overseas markets has helped create a positive effect on Washington state's economy by providing business opportunities and increasing job opportunities. I am generally supportive of a trade policy that expands access to overseas markets, but want to do so in a manner that ensures fair competition for domestic businesses and supports basic labor protections and environmental standards.

With an active and fair trade policy, I am confident that Washington state will continue to benefit from an increasingly integrated role in the international economy. Please be assured that I am committed to working with my colleagues on a trade agenda that best meets the needs of all Washingtonians.

Sincerely,
Maria Cantwell
United States Senator


This is from my state legislature Senator Val Stevens;


Dear Mr XX,

Thank you for your recent e-mail regarding the Security and Prosperity
Partnership, commonly referred to as the North American Union and the Real ID Act.

You may be interested to know that during the 2007 session I introduced
legislation opposing the Real ID Act (SJM 8005) and the North American Union (SJM8004). However, the climate in Olympia during the 2007 session was not friendly toward my proposals and they did not pass.

Thank you for bringing your views on these and other issues to my attention.

Sincerely,
Senator Val Stevens
39th Legislative District

I am extremely disappointed with the response from Sen. Cantwell. I view her as a Council on Foreign Relations collaborator now, regardless of whether she is a member of them or not. One day the CFR will be made to answer for their crimes against We the People.

I am very pleased with my State Senator Val Stevens though. She is fighting the good fight, but unfortunately, as you can tell by her reply, the Washington State legislature, when in session, is too divided to get anything done. They have succumbed to the Marxist Hegelian dialectic techniques of keeping 2 opposing sides locking horns and their respective attentions focused on each other and away from the real problem, so that the global elite can more easily divide and conquer us. I am happy with her being on the side of good on these issues though, and commend her for it.

I am awaiting replies from Sen. Patty Murray, Gov. Christine Gregoire, and 2 other state legislators.

am of the opinion that our elected representatives in D.C. have not just failed us, but rather sold us out to foreign interests and the will of the global elite.

With that said, I am now more convinced than ever that it will need to come down to armed conflict, and I believe it will start in Texas as a result of their eminent domain actions taking peoples lands for the new Trans-Texas Corridor/NAFTA Super Highway.

N American Union Highway has Texas Candidates up in arms
www.youtube.com...

I pray that we do not lose our sovereignty, but if we do and it really comes down to it, I know who I will side with. They may yet be 1 constitutional path remaining though. Going to do some research.

EDIT: I completed my research. In the thread titled "Is the time for succession here?" on page 4, I just posted an in depth plan for a "Constitutional Coup D'etat". I felt it was slightly more relevant to that thread than this one, plus I just posted here twice in a row, and didn't want to spam. I would be honored if you would check that thread out as well, and take a look at the idea I presented, which I can't take full credit for. I highly recommend pulling up the constitution in another tab though, lol

Single post: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Full thread pg. 4: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Thx all

[edit on 5/15/07 by Kelldor]

Info? Any update yet?

Originally posted by Kelldor

With that said, I am now more convinced than ever that it will need to come down to armed conflict, and I believe it will start in Texas as a result of their eminent domain actions taking peoples lands for the new Trans-Texas Corridor/NAFTA Super Highway.

N American Union Highway has Texas Candidates up in arms
www.youtube.com...

That is so true!! We have been fighting against the Trans Texas Corridor (TTC) this entire session. We had legislation passed by the House and Senate that would put a two year moratorium on the TTC ( 139 to 1 in the House). Unfortunately they would have been vetoed and so a deal was struck between the Governor and the Senate to exclude the TTC from the legislation. Here is the some information on the TTC and the group that is fighting to stop it:

TTC FIGHT

Thanks for all the info and I am looking forward to seeing your other responses!!