Why There Were No Helicopter Rescues At The WTC’s On 9-11

Originally posted by jfj123
If you don't respond, we can assume you have no idea and were only speculating AGAIN.

I am looking at how long that have spent at other crims scenes. Crime scenes that were not as historical or as important as this crime scene.

Originally posted by exponent
You have repeatedly dismissed the NIST report as evidence.

I have dismissed the NIST report because it has been questioned by many other agencies and experts.

Also the fact that it has been proven that they failed to recover any steel for testing at buidling 7.

Originally posted by Pilgrum
They were on the scene from day one and there are strong indications they were there beyond the end of September.

As stated and proven be evidence, the FBI was only working the crime scene for 5 days.

Why can't you accept evidence that disagrees with what you think happned?

Originally posted by gavron
What other agencies performed the investigations, if you do not want to stand by them?? Who else was authorized to investigate other than the NTSB. NIST, FBI, and FEMA?

As stated many times the only official investigating agencies for 9/11 is the FBI and the NTSB, whose crime scene reports have not been released yet.

Its jsut too bad that the other agencies you named DID NOT agree with NIST report. Even the 9/11 commission did not agree with NIST.

The NIST report has been questioned by other agencies and experts.


[edit on 24-9-2008 by ULTIMA1]

reply to post by jfj123

That's the sort of info I was looking for

I also wonder what the 'chimney effect' would be like when opening a sealed door at the top of a stairwell leading down to a raging fire. Wouldn't be too comfortable for those opening it let alone potential people queued up inside hoping to escape to the roof.

The only way to go is down if you're hoping for cooler, cleaner air under those circumstances.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by Pilgrum
They were on the scene from day one and there are strong indications they were there beyond the end of September.

As stated and proven be evidence, the FBI was only working the crime scene for 5 days.

Why can't you accept evidence that disagrees with what you think happned?

well go ahead and post the evidence that disproves this. Show a memo from the FBI that states this and that will end this portion of the discussion most definitively.

Originally posted by jfj123
well go ahead and post the evidence that disproves this.

Here is the evidence (that you cannot debate) that stated the FBI only worked the crime scene for 5 days.

As you can see the source states the FBI estimates the crime scene with take a month, but they are only there 5 days.

www.defenselink.mil...

FBI Assumes Jurisdiction At Pentagon Crash Site
By Gerry J. Gilmore
American Forces Press Service


WASHINGTON, Sept. 24, 2001 – The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon terrorist attack site Sept. 21 from the Arlington County (Va.) Fire Department, officials said.
FBI officials estimate the crime scene investigation would last about a month, Arlington Fire Chief Edward P. Plaugher said. He said he expects "additional remains will be discovered during the course of the FBI investigation" and mortuary specialists will remain on site to process them.

www.defenselink.mil...

FBI Passes Pentagon Crash Site Responsibilities to Army
Special to American Forces Press Service


WASHINGTON, Sept. 26, 2001 – The FBI handed over Pentagon crash site management to the Army Military District of Washington at 7 a.m. today.
The transfer of responsibility marks the end of the FBI's crime scene investigation following the Sept. 11 terrorist attack against the Pentagon.

From a Washington Post article dated Monday, June 14, 2004; Page A01

This give us an idea of went on behind the scenes.

Working from the basement of the J. Edgar Hoover Building, next to the fumes and clatter of a print shop, a dwindling team of FBI agents and analysts has conducted the largest criminal investigation in U.S. history, a probe that continues to this day. Until now, members of the team have not publicly discussed their work.

For nearly three years, the team has endured the tedium and frustration of chasing thousands of dead-end leads in pursuit of information about the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history. The group has shared the anguish of the families of attack victims, quietly briefing them on their discoveries and returning personal items from the wreckage.

Originally numbering more than 70 people, the team chased more than a quarter-million leads in the months after the attacks, dispatching thousands of FBI agents worldwide. FBI agents have conducted more than 180,000 interviews, and reviewed millions of pages of immigration records, parking receipts, airline manifests, al Qaeda membership rolls, interrogation transcripts and other documents.

PENTTBOM agents still comb through daily military and CIA intelligence reports; work closely with prosecutors in the Zacarias Moussaoui case; and analyze interrogation reports from the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and other U.S. facilities where suspected al Qaeda operatives are being held.

The probe, first headed by then-Deputy Director Thomas J. Pickard, began with one group of investigators for each of the four hijacked planes and one agent for each of the 19 hijackers.

www.washingtonpost.com...

Originally posted by jfj123
From a Washington Post article dated Monday, June 14, 2004; Page A01

Please read the following carefully and as many times as it takes for you to get the facts about the time the FBI spent at the Pentagon crime scene.

The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon terrorist attack site Sept. 21 from the Arlington County (Va.) Fire Department,

WASHINGTON, Sept. 26, 2001 – The FBI handed over Pentagon crash site management to the Army Military District of Washington at 7 a.m. today.
The transfer of responsibility marks the end of the FBI's crime scene investigation following the Sept. 11 terrorist attack against the Pentagon.

[edit on 25-9-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Please read the following carefully and as many times as it takes for you to get the facts about the time the FBI spent at the Pentagon crime scene.

You had previously claimed that the FBI was only working the crime scene for this time. Your evidence only tells us the amount of time they assumed control. You have also yet to show that this is somehow evidence something is amiss. Neither of us are accident or criminal investigators and as such your personal opinion carries no weight.

Please provide either

• Some evidence the FBI's attendance was unusual
  
• Some evidence that indicates an unusual attendance time is indicative of suspicious activity

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jfj123
From a Washington Post article dated Monday, June 14, 2004; Page A01

Please read the following carefully and as many times as it takes for you to get the facts about the time the FBI spent at the Pentagon crime scene.

The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon terrorist attack site Sept. 21 from the Arlington County (Va.) Fire Department,

WASHINGTON, Sept. 26, 2001 – The FBI handed over Pentagon crash site management to the Army Military District of Washington at 7 a.m. today.
The transfer of responsibility marks the end of the FBI's crime scene investigation following the Sept. 11 terrorist attack against the Pentagon.

[edit on 25-9-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Please read the following carefully and as many times as it takes for you to get the facts about the time the FBI spent at the Pentagon crime scene.
Ok here goes....

CRIME SCENE

Let me rephrase. The part of the investigation where the FBI was investigating at the scene of the crime and not the length of the whole investigation.

If you're claiming everything I've posted is incorrect, prove it, then let me know so I can contact the source of the info and explain that to them. I'd be interested to see what they say about that.

Originally posted by exponent

• Some evidence the FBI's attendance was unusual
  
• Some evidence that indicates an unusual attendance time is indicative of suspicious activity

Originally posted by jfj123
Let me rephrase. The part of the investigation where the FBI was investigating at the scene of the crime and not the length of the whole investigation.

The FBI took over the crims scene on Sep 21, 2001. they stated it would take a month to complete the crime scene.

www.defenselink.mil...

WASHINGTON, Sept. 24, 2001 -- The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon terrorist attack site Sept. 21 from the Arlington County (Va.) Fire Department, officials said.

FBI officials estimate the crime scene investigation would last about a month

They turned the crime scene back over on Spet 26, 2001. Which means they did not work the crime scene for the month they originally stated it would take.

www.defenselink.mil...

WASHINGTON, Sept. 26, 2001 – The FBI handed over Pentagon crash site management to the Army Military District of Washington at 7 a.m. today.
The transfer of responsibility marks the end of the FBI's crime scene investigation following the Sept. 11 terrorist attack against the Pentagon.

[edit on 25-9-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
They turned the crime scene back over on Spet 26, 2001. Which means they did not work the crime scene for the month they originally stated it would take.

Is this unusual? If so, is this suspicious? Why?

(sorry for the one liner but I've asked these questions repeatedly and had no answer)

Originally posted by exponent
Is this unusual? If so, is this suspicious? Why?

Several reasons come right to mind.

1. This was the biggest trerrorist attack in recent history.

2. Ask yourself how long the FBI has worked other crime scenes in comparison, has the FBI ever left a major crime scene after just 5 days?

3. How long were they at the first WTC bombing?

4. Also the fact that they stateted it would take a month.





[edit on 25-9-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Several reasons come right to mind.

Even if I concede that these result in the situation being unusual, you have shown no reason to conclude this is suspicious in any manner. Lets not forget that you started this line of debate with this statement:

Do you think the FBI only being at the Pentagon crimse scene for 5 days is without merit?

This was referring to evidence contradicting the "official story". You have simply spent time speculating about how this may be unusual. This is going nowhere.

Originally posted by exponent
This was referring to evidence contradicting the "official story". You have simply spent time speculating about how this may be unusual. This is going nowhere.

Do i have to spell it out for you?

If the FBI only spent 5 days at a crime scene (after stating it would take 30) it seems they either did not do a proper investigation or were called off.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
If the FBI only spent 5 days at a crime scene (after stating it would take 30) it seems they either did not do a proper investigation or were called off.

This is a False Dichotomy fallacy ( en.wikipedia.org... ).

Neither of us are accident or criminal investigators (as far as I am aware!) and as such we have no expertise with which to question the FBIs activities. You can claim that their behaviour was unusual, but as I have pointed out, even if I concede this it does nothing to affect the "official story" which is what you were originally arguing against.

Originally posted by exponent
Neither of us are accident or criminal investigators (as far as I am aware!) and as such we have no expertise with which to question the FBIs activities.

1. I do have a background in law enforcement.

2. The facts have been stated about the time spent at the crime scene.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
1. I do have a background in law enforcement.

2. The facts have been stated about the time spent at the crime scene.

You seem to have missed the point of my post, or are again resorting to your tactic of repetition. I will make this the last post on the topic until you bring up some new information.

You have yet to present any evidence that even if unusual, the length of time the FBI spent in charge of the crime scene was suspicious or somehow cast doubt on the "official story". You have used fallacious arguments and equivocation, but have shown no actual evidence.

Originally posted by exponent
You have yet to present any evidence that even if unusual, the length of time the FBI spent in charge of the crime scene was suspicious or somehow cast doubt on the "official story". .

Do you know anythign about crime scenes?

Do i have to show other crime scenes the FBI was on so you get a clue as to how unusal this crims scene was.

Shall we start with Flight 800?

[edit on 25-9-2008 by ULTIMA1]