underwater pyramid found in american samoa

www.americanscientist.org...

this underwater platform was found recently during a Sonar Survey in the waters off of Amerian Samoa
this is right in the area claimed to be lost Lemuria and Mu and Atlantis




this image from Google earth shows a large dark mass to the east of it
could be a lost city

what do you think ?

Are you sure that is just not a atoll.

Originally posted by testrat
Are you sure that is just not a atoll.

Makes sense but marduk also pointed to a possible city ie, "this image from Google earth shows a large dark mass to the east of it could be a lost city." So the 'platform' could be an Atoll that may have been responsible for the 'city' being lost, no? Still fits/works I think.

Just some, largely ignorant, spit-balling on my part... my two cents if you will.

Marduk

What are you thinking this is, or could be? How long ago was this area above water? Guess I got some reading to do.

Good find

edit Any other links Marduk/anybody? The AmSci article appears to be only for subscribers and I'm not having any luck finding another source. Thanks.


[edit on 23-2-2007 by Rren]

What are you thinking this is, or could be? How long ago was this area above water? Guess I got some reading to do.

www.lemuria.net...
en.wikipedia.org...(continent)
www.crystalinks.com...
homepages.hawaiian.net...

Nice find Marduk

Are you really contemplating this could be one of the ancient lost cities of folk lore? And if it turns out to be true wont it affect the conventional wisdom of recorded history?

Sea levcels in the equatorial Pacific were higher than today between about 5,000 and 1,500 years ago

www.springerlink.com...

That would suggest that if this is a submerged city it must have been built before 3,000BC ....

That "pyramid" would be some 20 times higher and 40 times wider than Cheops pyramid... That's a very large pyramid. That's a mountain.

Originally posted by Essan
Sea levcels in the equatorial Pacific were higher than today between about 5,000 and 1,500 years ago

www.springerlink.com...

That would suggest that if this is a submerged city it must have been built before 3,000BC ....

Makes for an intereting idea/timeline. This city [civilization] is destroyed around 3000BC and around that same time we get tha Uruk period in Mesopotamia

Still reading Marduk's links* but went to the wiki for some background and the dates in question made me make the, admittedly loose, connection. This link is interesting when you think of some super-society type, here-to-fore unknown, civilization being destroyed and its people dispersing throughout the civilized world 'round abouts 3000BC. 30th Century BC :shrug:

*those links contain alot of speculation, "channeled" information, etc, etc. I still have alot more to read (the second link) but I don't have enough background knowledge to know what to take seriously (cyrstal links does it to me every time). Not "debunking" them or anything, I couldn't, but they do seem a little "out there" to me.

Also found this NASA satellite image
it looks to me to be an artificial harbour with an encircling wall
the wall is 500 metres wide and confirmed as made from limestone

the shape in the middle reminds me fo something as well
its reminiscent of the face of Humbaba who guarded the way to the cedar forest across a vast sea from the Epic of Gilgamesh

from the epic of Gilgamesh
Enlil assigned (Humbaba) as a terror to human beings,
Humbaba's roar is a Flood, his mouth is Fire, and his breath is Death!

does this sound to you like a description of a cataclysmic event ?

Marduk,
I am very surprised!
I had used you to deny such things, but today...
Give 'em hell.

If you want my opinion, It's not a pyramid. You are wrong here.
It's a ziggurat. The lack of pointed edge make me believe you have find a temple to that of Maya or the like.

On the other hand, it seams very huge and vast for a ziggurat, a mountain indeed...
Do we have any records of scalariform cities?
What do i mean?
When people of that era realised the rise of sea level (due to the end of ice age), perhaps, they started to build their homes, places in a way to prevent the flood... like mountains, step-by-step cities.

Good find anyway



[edit on 23-2-2007 by Dragonlike]

Originally posted by Dragonlike
Marduk,
I am very surprised!

I had used you to deny such things, but today...
Give 'em hell.

If you want my opinion, It's not a pyramid. You are wrong here.
It's a ziggurat. The lack of pointed edge make me believe you have find a temple to that of Maya or the like.

Good find anyway

I was surprised also that Marduk would create such a thread.
Part of me is still waiting for the punchline....he even used www.crystalinks.com... as a source....very UN Marduk like.

Then again maybe someone is posting in his place and the real Marduk will soon return.

That's just amazing. I think I can see that humbaby's head on top of the pyramid and no way the 500 feet thick limestone blocks could be moved without aliens so this is definitely man made! Does anybody have a link to Edgar Cayce predictions? I'm sure he said that Lemuria would appear in 2007 and didn't Nostradamus also say something about it reappearing at the end of the world??

Good work Marduck!

Originally posted by testrat
Are you sure that is just not a atoll.

Yep that's right...

From the same site it is described as the Rose Atoll in American Samoa...

Figure 3. Sonar maps provide high-resolution imagery of a reef’s surface. Such images—like this one of tiny Rose Atoll in American Samoa—help scientists distinguish geomorphic variations among reefs.

Original article...
Click me

Here's that big humdaddy head they found there on the edgar cayce website.



Still looking for Nostradamus predictions about finding atlantis when the comet passes by.

This is so cool..

www.crystalinks.com...
It is sometimes said to have been destroyed in earthquakes generated by a pole shift which occurred approximately 24,000 B.C.

There was one language and one government. Education was the keynote of the Empire's success, and because every citizen was versed in the laws of the universe and was given thorough training in a profession or trade, magnificent prosperity resulted. A child's education was compulsory to the age of 21 in order for him to be eligible to attend citizenship school. This training period lasted for seven years; so the earliest age at which a person could become a citizen of the empire was 28.

The Elders of Lemuria, known as the Thirteenth School, moved their headquarters prior to the cataclysm to the uninhabited plateau of Central Asia that we now call Tibet. Here they allegedly established a library and school known as The Great White Brotherhood.

Some speculate that the Lemurians were at some point telepathically linked to the Dolphins. Their tones were called "Dolphin Codes."

Lemurian Seed Crystals

Another theory is based on the notion of 'seed crystals' in which the knowledge and story of Lemuria was encoded and stored in seed crystals just before Lemuria fell. Later - in our timeline - the crystals would be discovered and their messages revealed helping those who find them remember their fated destiny and how it parallels our experience.

Lemurians had pliable, jelly-like bodies and slowly developed physical forms. [Movement from higher to lower frequency - above the physical into solid matter].

The first Lemurian subraces allegedly were apelike, egg-laying hermaphrodites who communicated by mental telepathy through a third eye.

This atrophied after Lemuria's fall and became the pineal gland still found in modern humans.

Can't wait until they bring out the Lemurians!

Originally posted by Marduk
www.americanscientist.org...

this underwater platform was found recently during a Sonar Survey in the waters off of Amerian Samoa
this is right in the area claimed to be lost Lemuria and Mu and Atlantis



this image from Google earth shows a large dark mass to the east of it
could be a lost city

what do you think ?

Is there any longer info about this discovery? I've read quit few things about American Samoa and discoveries undersea but belongs to 2005 expeditions. Can you provide a link with more info please?

[edit on 23-2-2007 by Telos]

I will come right out and say this:
I think Marduk is 'taking the piss', as they say in bonnie old england.

Maybe he is just being extremely speculative, but I think that he is taking innocuous evidence, putting it in the context of conspiracy, and then seeing how much our own 'perceptions and preconceived notions' lead us astray.

I could be wrong, not trying to level any serious charges or anything either.

Originally posted by Marduk
Also found this NASA satellite image
it looks to me to be an artificial harbour with an encircling wall

Or a coral atoll surrounding an island.

www.americanscientist.org...

Looks like a guyot.

I think Marduk is 'taking the piss', as they say in bonnie old england.

I agree....as much as I respect Marduk's knowledge I do not necessarily respect his methods.

As I said before this whole thread is very UN Marduk like.

Geez he even used crystal links as a source and who on crystal links do they use as a source? Someone that Marduk despises.... Edgar Cayce.

He even posted on another thread today....I think it was titled "what was the first language" and he posted something to the extent that it was angelic. And I did not get the impression he was being sarcastic.

If anyone of us would have started this thread with links he posted he would have been the first to come here and point out that it was all just pseudoscience.

I think there is either an agenda or someone else is posting on his account.



[edit on 23-2-2007 by etshrtslr]

Originally posted by Dragonlike

If you want my opinion, It's not a pyramid. You are wrong here.
It's a ziggurat. The lack of pointed edge make me believe you have find a temple to that of Maya or the like.

Marduk likened the imagery of the port-like satellite photo to that of Humbaba of the Epic of Gilgamesh. If this truly is a man made structure and the face of the Cedar Guardian was an inspiration, then it follows the structure would be a ziggurat, and not a pyramid. He may not have used the right word, but from past posts, I believe Marduk is acutely aware of the difference.

It also did not seem to me that Marduk was actually claiming the port was meant to look like that, only that it reminded him of the image he immediately followed with.

Something else:

from epic of gilgamesh
Enlil assigned (Humbaba) as a terror to human beings,
Humbaba's roar is a Flood, his mouth is Fire, and his breath is Death!

Not only does this sound like a cataclysmic event, it sounds eerily volcanic.

Roar: Pyro clouds
Mouth: Magma
Breath: Sulfur and ash

Might do some good to research volcanic activety in this area before 3000 B.C.

Originally posted by Nygdan
I will come right out and say this:
I think Marduk is 'taking the piss', as they say in bonnie old england.

I thought that too when he called it a pyramid. I remember reading him and another member arguing over something being a pyramid versus being pyramidal in shape and the fact that he is always (in all his posts I've read) the skeptic in these forums. Led me to believe he was having fun with calling it a pyramid (wrt that other argument I read) and was focusing on the 'possible small island off to the side' as the point he was trying to make.... but with the whole 'not knowingly posting false or misleading info' rule on ATS I gave him the benefit of the doubt and didn;t think he was pulling a hoax.

So my whole 30th century BC tie-in was for nada?? I was sure I had a winner there.


Still pretty funny considering who posted it... he (&others) gave it away at the end tho, but he did have me paying attention for awhile.

I could be wrong, not trying to level any serious charges or anything either.

All in good fun imo... I actually enjoyed it, even did some reading on Mesopotamia and its evolution. I say hand him a mug of that piss warm syrup crap, that they call beer over there, on the house.

Looks like a guyot.

There's no reason to call him names man. He's a Brit they got a real dry sense of humour [

Originally posted by Marduk
what do you think ?

(deep sigh)

Marduk, ol' bananna, take a deep breath.

Look at the measurements.

One degree is equal to about 69 miles. The volcanic structure (collapsed caldera with an atoll on top) is about 35 miles in length and 35 miles in width and a little over half a mile in height.

It features some very typical lava dikes and sills. Although the top is squarish, it's hardly a pyramid.

Are you SERIOUSLY proposing that some happy little Polynesians found 30 cubic miles of rock they weren't doing anything with to build an underwater pyramid with?

American Samoa itself is made up of not one, but five volcanos. Your "city" is a sea mount in the area of this very active plate. :
cddis.nasa.gov...