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Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
The print-outs would help how?
Originally posted by Caustic Logic
Good teamwork dudes! Keep it up, I'm doubting this somewhat less.
Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
Thanks!!
Judging by where the sun is in this shot, and where it was on the day of the events, I think she was stood where the arrow is.
BIG question: on all the maps/photos, where is NORTH? This is important. Need to remember that the sun was rising in the East and that she was looking West. I'm assuming the map of the crash site shows North to be UP.
[edit on 24-2-2007 by mirageofdeceit]
[edit on 24-2-2007 by mirageofdeceit]
Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
Look VERY carefully at the roof line of the satellite photo vs. the estate agent photo. It isn't the same building.
Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
In the photo of the house taken from the ground, look carefully at the roof line, and note the chimney.
Next, look carefully at the outline of the roof of the house in the satellite photo. You have to be aware that you're looking at the side vs. the top, but if you trace the outline carefully (using the chimney as a reference point) it doesn't seem right. It is close, but there are a few differences that seem significant.
I don't have the time that I'd like to right now to draw lots of diagrams explaining what I'm looking at.
The photo of the house is out of date.
Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
The photo of the house is out of date.
Ahh, OK!
In that case then, if I've got what I can make out orientated right, then looking at the house from the ground (as in that photo), she would be standing on the far side of the house, looking to the right of the pic.
Have you actually been there then to have a look?
Originally posted by nick7261
Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
The photo of the house is out of date.
Ahh, OK!
In that case then, if I've got what I can make out orientated right, then looking at the house from the ground (as in that photo), she would be standing on the far side of the house, looking to the right of the pic.
Have you actually been there then to have a look?
Yeah, I was there a couple of times in the last few weeks. I have business in the area occasionally, and I wanted to drive by the place to get a first-hand look at the scale of the area.
The crash site is VERY far visually from the house. Once you see it first hand, it becomes pretty obvious the photo can't be real. I mean that cloud would have been HUGE, visible to people all over the area.
There aren't any witnesses that I've read about that said they saw a smoke plume, except for those right near the crash site. And even then, their descriptions don't match up with Val's photo at all. The most common account I've read is that the smoke cloud went up about 200 feet. If Val's photo is accurate, it went up more like 2000 feet!
People in Somerset and along the PA turnpike would have seen a cloud that big. Plus, the cloud in Val's pic isn't over the crash site, it's several hundred yards south.
What's also strange is that both Val and other people at Indian Lake said a plane went over their heads. This clearly contradicts the official story that has Flight 93 coming from the norhtwest, not the east.
What are other signs, generally speaking, that give away a faked pic?
Originally posted by nick7261
Originally posted by purplecoral
(im not arguing....) what do you think this smoke plume is then?
Personally I think the plume was photoshopped into the shot. She's very protective of the copyright, and has even filed a suit against AP for using her photo.
If she and her family were really so financially strapped, why/how could she afford to file a lawsuit that's going to result in little, if any, damages even if she wins?
She also sells copies of the photo for $20 a pop, and claims to give $18 of each sale to the Todd Beamer Foundation.
Anybody else know of another person who took a photo of ANYTHING on 9/11, then copyrighted the photo and is selling it?
The FBI went on record as saying the photo is real.
I'm going out on a limb here to predict that this photo will be the FIRST part of the 9/11 story to be exposed, and confirmed, as a fraud.
Originally posted by darkbluesky
To satisfy the conditions that conspiratorialists attach to 9/11, not only must we dismiss many credible witnesses,
...but we must also believe in non-participants in the plan who are perpetrating fraud on their own behalf, independently of the main conspirators.
Originally posted by nick7261
I have no idea why Val McClatchey is perpetrating a fraud. I'm just looking at the photo she claims to be from Flight 93 crashing. It's not legit. It's far out of scale. I also have no idea why the FBI is backing her story about the photo.
I'm not asking you to believe all the other things you mentioned. Just look at this thread with an open mind and independent thinking. The math doesn't lie. There's no way the smoke plume was 2300 feet wide, or over 2000 feet high. But that's what Val's photo shows.
Either she faked the photo, or something else much closer to her home made the smoke plume.