Startling new developments on North American Union!

Write your representatives, NOW!! You are the only one that can stop this! Get the word out.

A series of high level meetings are taking place in Mexico between US and Mexican thieves.

This plan is steamrolling over the US legislative process. There is no denying that Bush plans to merge North America, yet congress does nothing.

What good has NAFTA done for you? Nothing!

What good has it done for big, evil corporations? Lots.

NAFTA and the NAU steal from the poor to give to the rich. Less and less power will reside with citizens and more will reside with governments.

Wealth will further consolidate to the richest 1% while the rest of us are forced to make do with less and less, until the last straw breaks.

US has highest wealth per capita and Mexico has the lowest. This plan will not only decrease American per capita wealth, but it will also draw enormous amount os US taxpayer money south of th eborder to more ridiculous expenditures.

We must stop this now!

I dont understand how something like this can take place with little or no mention in the MSM.

We now this is real. This is not just some conspiracy theory.

How can this happen without debates in congress?

How can this happen without Americans knowing about it and weighing in?

Originally posted by sp00n1
I don’t understand how something like this can take place with little or no mention in the MSM.

We now this is real. This is not just some conspiracy theory.

How can this happen without debates in congress?

How can this happen without Americans knowing about it and weighing in?

Ummmmmmm please anyone correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t this what people like Alex Jones have been saying/warning us about for years all the while being called a CT a loon job a whacko.

I mean seriously are you surprised, ughhh maybe those people trying to interrupt your episode of American idol were really on to something?

Just my worthless 2 American Cents

The real question is or fact for that matter is watch how everyone just rolls over and take this one up the rear, LMAO!!!!!!

What ever happens I know I try my best to be the best human being I can possibly be, so whatever. If this is the emergence of the NWO then so what so be it. I mean what’s the point of fighting it. I mean I am all for life and surviving and love life etc. Its just that I know that nothing can take my soul, or my happy memories NO ONE!!!!

I think that the capabilities of government to initiate something (anything) without congressional debates or even giving basic knowledge to the people comes from the ability of our government to honestly say to themselves ....'what are they gonna do'?

What is anyone going to do about it? Really? The US government could do just about anything they want right now and the American people, as a whole, are going to take it. What other option do they have? Withdraw all of their riches from banks and move to an island? Start a revolution with our strongest members of society over seas?

The American people are too weak, they don't have the courage to sacrifice their way of life, they'd rather take whatever abuse is put on them than give up what they think is security. They'll b!#@h about it, sure, but they won't DO anything.

(I do not mean to imply that ALL Americans are this way, just the majority)

Indeed, people are zombies. Its like Night of the living dead, or worse.

I am pretty disgusted by my fellow human beings. Ive lost a lot of faith. I used to be a dupe that bought into all that "america is the greatest" or "americans are the greatest" and all that bs, but then i realized what we're doing to the planet and ourselves, and nobody wants to be aware of it, so they just ignore it. They sit back in their lazy boy watching the battle over anna nicole smith instead of opening their eyes to the hell we are creating...

By the way, Thanks to the Fed, your dollars are worth pennies and your pennies are worth pesos.

You're better off tossin your two cents into a wishing well and then kissing your ass good-bye.

Originally posted by sky1
I think that the capabilities of government to initiate something (anything) without congressional debates or even giving basic knowledge to the people comes from the ability of our government to honestly say to themselves ....'what are they gonna do'?

What is anyone going to do about it? Really? The US government could do just about anything they want right now and the American people, as a whole, are going to take it. What other option do they have? Withdraw all of their riches from banks and move to an island? Start a revolution with our strongest members of society over seas?

The truest measure of Despotism is a governments' ability to ignore the will of its people.

Originally posted by sp00n1
Write your representatives, NOW!! You are the only one that can stop this! Get the word out.

It's highly unlikely that writing to a Democrat-controlled Congress is going to yield results on this one. The Dems are already planning how to spend the political capital they gain from 30 million illegal alien votes.

Originally posted by sp00n1
A series of high level meetings are taking place in Mexico between US and Mexican thieves. This plan is steamrolling over the US legislative process. There is no denying that Bush plans to merge North America, yet congress does nothing.

NAFTA was enacted some 20 years ago, and it opened up America to inferior imports and to waves of food-borne diseases ever since. Bill Clinton pushed NAFTA harder than GWB ever has, and the socialization of America is a long-standing Democrat objective.

Originally posted by sp00n1
What good has NAFTA done for you? Nothing! What good has it done for big, evil corporations? Lots.

The only ones who have ever profited from NAFTA have been the Mexicans. Go complain to their government, because ours isn't going to do anything about this, now that the Dems are back in power.

Originally posted by sp00n1
NAFTA and the NAU steal from the poor to give to the rich. Less and less power will reside with citizens and more will reside with governments. Wealth will further consolidate to the richest 1% while the rest of us are forced to make do with less and less, until the last straw breaks.

And at this point I know that this is pure Democrat propaganda. Anytime somebody whips out the "richest 1%" club and starts beating you over the head with it, it's a Democrat ploy.

Anybody who has ever dug deeper than the Democrat rhetoric knows that the "richest 1%" of Americans pay more than 50% of all taxes in America. The entire middle class and lower class combined (the other 99%) pay less than 50% of the taxes. So, the middle and lower classes have been riding on the backs of the wealthy for a long, long time. Next time you cash your paycheck, remember who signed it, then decide if you want to punish them.

Originally posted by sp00n1
US has highest wealth per capita and Mexico has the lowest. This plan will not only decrease American per capita wealth, but it will also draw enormous amount of US taxpayer money south of the border to more ridiculous expenditures.

Little bit late for that. Ever since NAFTA was enacted, our border patrol has basically stood down as millions of illegal aliens flooded our country and grabbed our economy by the balls.

You want our money to stay here in our country? Good. Build The Wall and kick those thieving illegals the hell OUT of America. Except that's never going to happen, and do you know why? It's because Mexico is sitting upon and trying to develop one of the largest oilfields on planet Earth, right there in the Gulf of Mexico. Ever wonder why we let those Third-World bastards get away with murder? It's because Mexico is about to turn on the spigot, and we're the first customers.

If you even remotely imagine that our Congress, especially a Dem-controlled Congress (relying heavily on the illegal alien vote) is going to attempt to thwart NAFTA or give Mexico a hard time, you've got your hat on backwards. This has been the Democrat dream for decades. The socialization of America, the collapse of capitalism, the end of our sovereignty, the end of our liberties.

Welcome to Hell, folks.

— Doc Velocity

Is this an old clip?? How recent is this!! Seriously people, quit with the right vs left thing!! We are all smart enough it's just another attempt to divide and conquer!!! It doesn't matter who is in power, the country's going down the drain, and it's the people who are behind the scenes pulling the strings!! Welcome to the New World Order

Originally posted by Vinadetta
Is this an old clip?? How recent is this!! Seriously people, quit with the right vs left thing!! We are all smart enough it's just another attempt to divide and conquer!!! It doesn't matter who is in power, the country's going down the drain, and it's the people who are behind the scenes pulling the strings!! Welcome to the New World Order

Well, I wasn't stooping to Left vs Right ideology — aka The Culture War — which is even weaker than Party ideology. It should be obvious to any observer of the political game in America that both parties are riddled with Lefties and Righties, but mostly Middle-of-the-Roadies — so much so, in fact, that there is no substantive difference between the two parties that are offered up to us over and over again every campaign season.

Rather, I was speaking to the apparent historical pattern of the Democrat Party initiating and promoting the New World Order. Woodrow Wilson was the Democrat President who first uttered the phrase "New World Order" back during the formation of the League of Nations (predecessor of the United Nations) after WWI. Franklin Roosevelt took "New World Order" to the next level by launching the blatantly socialist "Welfare State" in America, and FDR was the principal architect of the United Nations, launched in 1945.

The Kennedy boys, JFK and RFK, covertly used the Internal Revenue Service like a weapon to bludgeon their political opponents, both real and perceived, establishing such a fearsome model of procedure for the agency that the IRS strikes fear into the hearts of even common Americans to this day. Interestingly, when JFK and RFK started tampering with the Federal Reserve and organized crime, the NWO cut its losses by simply whacking the brothers. Kennedy's and Johnson's administrations mired us in the Vetnam War, which essentially destroyed American pride, military reputation and morale for decades; and Johnson launched the "War on Poverty" which was but a continuation of socialist welfare programs designed to redistribute American wealth.

I personally believe that, by the 1970s, the forces behind the NWO were sufficiently entrenched in the highest places of power to effortlessly merge the two dominant American political parties, while maintaining a distinction in name only. We saw the last of the fire-breathing political dragons, Richard Nixon, deposed over a ridiculously overblown scandal in the early 70s, and the two presidents who followed (one Republican and one Democrat) were flaccid, ineffectual non-leaders.

Since then, I believe that every administration (both GOP and DEM) has been a vaudeville act, a pretense of leadership, a facade of "ideals" and "values" designed only to provide the illusion of choice for the American people. There is no choice and there hasn't been a choice since before most of us were born.

However, I continue to see a shadowy pattern of NWO strategy behind the political puppet show — a strategy that usually makes its boldest moves during periods when Democrat puppets are at the center stage of government. I'm not saying Right nor Left, because that distinction is ludicrous. Instead, I'm saying that when Democrats (the self-proclaimed progressive free-thinkers) are given the helm, the NWO apparently makes its greatest strides — or attempts to.

Throughout the Clinton administration of the 90s, we saw time and time again these strangely familiar NWO antics: The botched attempt to socialize our nation's health care (which would have meant about 7% of our economy placed under government control); the use of the IRS against political adversaries, real or perceived; the use of intelligence agencies to gather dirt on political adversaries, real or perceived; the deployment of more American troops on more useless military engagements in more locations around the world than we have ever seen in American history, before or since the 1990s; the bizarre deaths of several administration and government figures; the obvious and bloody war against anti-government American civilians; some of the boldest attempts to ban and strictly regulate private firearm possession; the powerhouse campaign to sell NAFTA to Congress and to the nation; and a number of terrorist attacks against American targets both at home and abroad, no doubt designed to fill the American people with further confusion and dread. The 90s were a dizzying maelstrom of NWO activity, there's no denying it.

Do I think the Clintons organized all that? Hell no. Bill was just a spoiled, oversexed, over-praised frat boy, and Hill couldn't even control her own husband, nevermind control anything else.

What do I see in the Bush administration? A flaccid, ineffectual non-leader in the White House (just like those presidents of the 1970s), whose administration is not only not responsible for the accelerating NWO activities (including 9/11), this administration is incapable of comprehending these activities. If Bush looks stunned most of the time, it's because he is. Bush is just a scarecrow in the White House, a puppet president, who has very little if any concern for the false issues or the illusion of political division in this country. I mean, this guy is just waiting for his term to expire, he doesn't care — his caring about who loves him or hates him is not in the NWO script.

What is in the script?

Why, another turn of Democrats at the helm (following the historical pattern), during which time we'll see bolder and broader strokes of the NWO warhammer against our Constitution. It's not that Democrats are in charge of the NWO — neither party is in control — it's that the Democrat half of the vaudeville routine is the caring, compassionate, feel good chorus line. Hell, they'll make you feel so good that Bush is out of there, you'll drop your pants, bend over and lube it up yourself for the impending NWO deep penetration of American security, sovereignty and liberty.

— Doc Velocity

[edit on 2/22/2007 by Doc Velocity]

You cant blame the Dems for Bush's push for the NAU. Seriously!!

And the richest 1% owns over 90% of the wealth, and they only pay 50% of the taxes?!?!?!?!

That sounds a little low to me.

You want to know who pays my paychecks? I DO! I dont work for some rich prick, i bust my ass providing work for other poor suckers stuck in the same grind as i am.

And, just for the record, i am a conservative libertarian. Not a democrat. What i preach is about freedom and justice, it transcends political ideology.

Originally posted by sp00n1
And the richest 1% owns over 90% of the wealth, and they only pay 50% of the taxes?!?!?!?! That sounds a little low to me.

Let me say this very slowly and clearly... It's none of your damn business how much wealth other people own. It's not my business, it's not your business, it's not the Democrats' nor the Republicans' nor the "conservative Libertarians'" business. What I earn is my business, and no bum is going to come in and steal it from me just because he lacks the brains and motivation to earn his own money.

The wealthiest people in this country are the engine of the American economy. Do you honestly believe that your "busting your ass" grinding peanut shells or whatever you do is keeping this country afloat? The middle class can't hold onto their money to even make a dent in the economy — because they try to live above their means, make foolish purchases, incur substantial debt, then whine because they think they're not making as much money as that guy in the big house up on the hill. Boo Hoo

That rich bastard up on the hill doesn't blow his money on worthless, disposable crap that has no potential ROI. The wealthy keep their wealth in high-yield accounts and diversified investments for long, long periods of time, so that financial institutions nationwide can use that money to make loans to the middle class. That rich son of a capitalist pig keeps our economy viable, keeps it moving, and he'd better, because the middle class is going to blow that loan on more worthless crap and perpetuate their own cycle of debt.

Do you Dems (I mean "conservative Libertarians") not comprehend that the wealthy are wealthy because they know how to mitigate risk, select investments with solid ROI potential, and basically manage their money like professionals? These people earn their money legally, they have to jump through hoops of financial disclosure and government compliance, pay more taxes in one year than your entire bloodline could ever earn, and then have to listen to this Marxist, class-on-class propaganda being spewed out by the conserverative Libertarians? Er, I mean Democrats.

Why are these middle class malcontents so enraged with the success of those who know how to make money? Because the middle class are ignorant, short-sighted consumers, and that's all they'll ever be, and they hate the idea that the American Dream really does work for those with the brains and guts to go after it.

Those who preach this class-on-class Marxist claptrap are attempting to divide the country, plain and simple. They want you to covet thy neighbors property. They'll tell you, "We can bring those fat bastards down off the hill and equally distribute their wealth to the people who need it MOST!" Do you understand that these Marxist finks are telling you what you want to hear, so that you'll resent thy neighbor? Even hate him? So that you'll try to destroy the American Dream? Because that's what it's all about

The only people who call the wealthy thieves are the thieves that don't know how to make their own wealth. And you can quote me, that's good stuff.

— Doc Velocity

[edit on 2/23/2007 by Doc Velocity]

The rich are rich because they buy influence, rig the system, and dont spend money.

How can they keep the economy churning when all they do is sit on piles of cash?

The only thing keeping this economy running is the consumer that is forced to live above his means because the value of the dollar keeps dropping, thanks to the wealthy people that control the federal reserve.

The fed prints as much money as they want. This is known as debasement. It serves as a regressive tax against the poor and the middle class.

The Fed is the best crime machine ever invented, it steals from the poor and gives to the rich.

If it werent for the consumer living beyond their means, the dollar would collapse. The Fed requires poor people to borrow money in order to monetize the debt.


And you seemed to miss my point in the comment about the richest 1% owning 90% of the wealth and only paying 50% of the taxes...


How can it be so disproportional? Its obviously rigged! How can the lowest 99%, which only owns TEN PERCENT of the wealth, be expected to pay over 50% of the taxes?????

It makes absolutely no sense. TAXES ARE NOT PROPORTIONAL!! The poor bear the burden while the rich buy influence to avoid taxes and retain control.

I certainly agree that the tax system should not be used to redistribute wealth, whether it is from the rich to the poor or the poor to the rich.

The problem which you seem to miss is that wealth is being redistributed from the poor to the rich, AND YOU'RE MAKING THE RICH SOUND LIKE THE VICTIMS!!!!!!

Insult to a whole population removed by TheBandit795.

Do not insult/offend anyone here.

[edit on 23-2-2007 by TheBandit795]

And Doc,

Are you really suggesting that if the rich werent so rich this whole country would fall apart?

Do you have any historical precedent to back this up?

NO! Because its not true.

Seriously, if instead of the income gap being sooooo wide, what if the distribution were a little more like this;

Instead of the top 1% having 90% of the wealth, the top 10% have 90% of the wealth?

Would the world really collapse? Are you suggesting that these top 10% would not find it in their best interests to invest their money? Would they not continue to spend?

How about if the breakdown were like this; top 50% have 60% of wealth.

Would the world collapse? NO! These people would have more money to spend and invest. If anything, there would be increased circulation of the money.

Look at the history of this country. Its the middle class that glue it all together. The middle class drive the economy by making and buying stuff. The middle class takes the risks to actually make a living for themselves.

The current wealth accumulation of top 1% having 90% of all wealth is UNPRECEDENTED!!!

Trying to argue that it is somehow good or necessary for the rest of us to perpetuate this theft is preposterous!!

[edit on 2/23/2007 by sp00n1]

Hey, why haven't that much people responded to this, this is serious stuff.

All I go to say is what happens, happens. I know I'll be fine cause Jesus is on my side.

because of the level of ignorance by deception we have in this county among ALL income levels

the only way we are going to wake up from this mess is when the quality of our life goes so far down the toilet that it will probably be too late to do anything about it

people don't associate enough pain with the current way of life to feel a need to change

they enjoy the entertainment so much they care less that they are being deceived and are only to willing to call others crazy who spout conspiracy/gov't secrets theories because

1. there is so much disinfo out there alot of conspiracy's are complete crap and this ruins the credibility of the hundreds of true conspiracy's.
2. so many people repeat what they learned from disinfo that they just make it even more difficult to sort thru disinfo and legitamite conspiracy info
3. it reaffirms there laziness to be complacent with there life style in stead of saying oh shoot maybe i should change the way i think

Originally posted by thehumbleone
Hey, why haven't that much people responded to this, this is serious stuff.

Indeed.

I try and i try, yet to seemingly no avail.

This monster just keeps barreling at us as ignorant people try to justify it or claim it is somehow good for us, despite ALL of the evidence to the contrary.

Anyone ever listen to a band called Queensryche? They have an album called Operation: Mindcrime about an agent who is drugged and reprogrammed to kill. On the album there is song called "Revolution Calling." The song itself has little to do with this situation, but it's title is oh so appropriate. Such disdain and disregard for the protection of our Constitution, Bill of Rights and National Sovereignty is nothing more than a call to REVOLUTION! It is time that we take back this Republic and restore it to the Democracy that it once was from the Corporatocracy that it has become. Each and every politician involved in the wholesale forfeiture of this great nation should hang from the highest of flagpoles as a symbol of our will to remain free! Free from the oppression of corporate greed. Free from the tyranny of politicians who have been bought and paid for by the corporate thieves that are destroying this country all in the name of "profits!"

I know that I am hardly alone in my sentiments. We are on a slipperly slope towards the type of police state being witnessed in the UK - all to ensure that we, the people, remain under the guarded control of the oligarchy! Will we sit idly by while our freedoms are hijacked and we become indentured servants to mass corporate greed? I think not! Let this be a warning to all of the politicians, plutarchs, oligarchs and tyrants - we, the people, will NOT tolerate this much longer. Clean up your acts NOW before the will of free men clean it up for you!

Believe me I know this nonsense is going on. I've started and posted in quite a bit of threads on this an similar subjects, but they're usually some of the most unpopular threads on ATS.

And yes... Both sides are in it. Practically all U.S. presidents in recent history were under the wing of Rockefeller via Henry Kissinger. Just look at it. Nixon, Carter, Ford, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, W Bush can all be connected to Rockefeller (or NWO) IMHO.


[edit on 23-2-2007 by TheBandit795]

Originally posted by cpdaman

the only way we are going to wake up from this mess is when the quality of our life goes so far down the toilet that it will probably be too late to do anything about it

people don't associate enough pain with the current way of life to feel a need to change

By the time people realize that this country has been bankrupted and destroyed, they will blame it on the illegal immigrants.

Of course, illegal immigration is hurting this country, but it has positives too.

Starting with the negative, uncontrolled immigration puts strains on our social structure, drastically changes culture, drastically lowers wages, drastically increases taxes for those of us that have to pay because we are legals, drastically increases the price of health care because we have to pay for those that dont, drastically deprecates our schools because they're too overcrowded.

This negatives are being allowed to happen to help destroy america.

The positives of CONTROLLED and LIMITED immigration, even illega immigration, is that there is cheap labor. How do you expect to eat fruit without the migrant workers? Do you want to pay $20 for a bowl of salad?

I am anti-immigration, not anti-immigrant. This problem needs to be fixed.

Secure the borders for homeland security. SAY NO to the NAU. Talk about it with ignorant people so that they understand. Turn off that damn Idol garbage and lecture them on what is happening!!