Iraqi women to hang for acts of resistance!

People you are forgetting that one of the reasons of taking Saddam was indeed because he killed his own people . . .

Now the new poppet regime is killing also its own people but this time US is backing up their legislation and now Is OK .

If you can no see the hypocrisy on all this then . . . I guess I give up.

Saddam killed Kurdish because they disagree with is regime . . .

Saddam killed Shiites because they disagree with his regime . . .

Now the US backed Shiite government is killing Sunnis and fellow tribal men also Shiites because they do not want the poppet government and the invaders and is OK . . .

Hypocrecy at its finest. . .

The Iraqi's do not see the police force the way the west tries to catergorize them as.

They are raping,murdering and kidnapping as much as the insurgency.
they are so infected with insurgent aspects, that the people do not trust the police...

These women didnt just go and kill these policeman for no reason... they were marked men simply being policemen.. something must off happened for them to snap and kill them.

To me, all this is, is the US accepting one mans iron fisted approach.. because he likes the US....
they murdered the other fellow because he didnt like the US.


It takes a MAD man to rule MAD people.
Saddam was the only person who kept things in check, and if we are going to go around executing everyone in Iraq that doesnt like the puppet government, or curropt police...
we might as well nuke the place and save alot of soliders.

What a F'up.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
The Iraqi's do not see the police force the way the west tries to catergorize them as.

They are raping,murdering and kidnapping as much as the insurgency.
they are so infected with insurgent aspects, that the people do not trust the police...

These women didnt just go and kill these policeman for no reason... they were marked men simply being policemen.. something must off happened for them to snap and kill them.

To me, all this is, is the US accepting one mans iron fisted approach.. because he likes the US....
they murdered the other fellow because he didnt like the US.


It takes a MAD man to rule MAD people.
Saddam was the only person who kept things in check, and if we are going to go around executing everyone in Iraq that doesnt like the puppet government, or curropt police...
we might as well nuke the place and save alot of soliders.

What a F'up.

There are corrupt policemen and Iraqi soldiers, who also moonlight as insurgents. That is a challenge that they(the police ane army forces) face, trying to weed those folks out, but don't kid yourself that the bad apples on the force, aren't also bad apples off the force, and that it's not the institutional mindset of all Iraqi police/military(i.e. they aren't raping and murdering at the same incidence rate as the insurgents). As for these policemen being killed just for being police- that has happened countless times. How many stories have we heard about bombings at recruiting stations, attacks on police stations, attacks on policemen on leave, etc... They were killed just for being policemen, since the view of the insurgents is that anything representing official Iraqi agencies are a threat to their anarchist plans, and a validation of the Iraqi government.

Originally posted by marg6043
People you are forgetting that one of the reasons of taking Saddam was indeed because he killed his own people . . .

Now the new poppet regime is killing also its own people but this time US is backing up their legislation and now Is OK .

If you can no see the hypocrisy on all this then . . . I guess I give up.

Saddam killed Kurdish because they disagree with is regime . . .

Saddam killed Shiites because they disagree with his regime . . .

Now the US backed Shiite government is killing Sunnis and fellow tribal men also Shiites because they do not want the poppet government and the invaders and is OK . . .

Hypocrecy at its finest. . .

Marg, it's not the same thing. Saddam killed people because of who they were, or if they disagreed with him, or if he felt them untrustworthy. The current Iraqi government has been executing folks that have committed some criminal act. There's a big distinction there.

Originally posted by BlueRaja

Marg, it's not the same thing. Saddam killed people because of who they were, or if they disagreed with him, or if he felt them untrustworthy.

That is how he could control them, yes is wrong and is despicable but one evil has replace another and the worst thing is that our own American government is behind it, then you see why Iraqis hate the occupation. . .

No matter how our present administration is sugar coating the despicable acts in Iraq going on right now is still criminal.

The current Iraqi government has been executing folks that have committed some criminal act. There's a big distinction there.

they may be criminal acts under the new regime in power but so was under the regime of Saddam and the executions are still on going with one different issue now the targets are retaliating against the oppresing regime in power and the killings knows not tribal links.

Just change one evil for another one, plain and simple, change the wording for the opposer's of the regime and the occupation and criminal acts are criminal acts not matter what. . .

Is no excuse, no excuse at all.

Originally posted by marg6043
Just change one evil for another one, plain and simple, change the wording for the opposer's of the regime and the occupation and criminal acts are criminal acts not matter what. . .

Is no excuse, no excuse at all.

And there is an excuse for killing 6 people?

What action do you think should have been taken against these women Marg?

Originally posted by timeless test
And there is an excuse for killing 6 people?

What action do you think should have been taken against these women Marg?

Here some food for thoughts of what is going on in the mess and chaos that is Iraq.

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) Four Iraqi soldiers have been accused of raping a 50-year-old Sunni woman and the attempted rape of her two daughters in the second allegation of sexual assault leveled against Iraqi forces this week, an official said Thursday.

Rape report follows an allegation Monday by a 20-year-old Sunni woman that she was raped by three Iraqi policemen after she was detained during a search of her house in western Baghdad.

She was taken to a police garrison where the attack allegedly occurred Sunday but she was rescued by U.S. soldiers, she said.dwb.fresnobee.com...

dwb.fresnobee.com...

You tell me. . . it seems that rape and abuse is now common thing again in iraq by the Iraqi police, Instead of been Saddam's sons doing the raping now is the Shiite Iraqi police.

then when the guilty gets cleared by the government and women take matters into their hands they get to be hang.

from the same link as above. . .

Al-Maliki's government cleared the policemen after an investigation lasting less than a day and accused Sunni activists of fabricating the allegation to undermine support for the security forces during the ongoing Baghdad crackdown.

What has change in Iraq since liberation?

No a darn thing,. . . But the new poppet government doing the crimes are backed up by our own government.

Shame.



[edit on 22-2-2007 by marg6043]

If those policemen were guilty, they should be punished. If they were framed, then they should be freed. I don't know enough about that case to make a judgement on their guilt. Even if they are guilty, I don't think you can demonstrate a trend with just one example.

As for Saddam- one didn't have to commit a criminal act for him to have you executed. All that was necessary was that he didn't like you, and you and your family would disappear. That's a lot different than being executed for killing folks. I hope you're not trying to compare what Saddam would consider a crime(disagreeing with him, or speaking ill of him), and a legitimate crime against others.

More of the abuses of women in Iraq.

Behind the rape and murder of an Iraqi girl and her family lies a far larger story of what's happened to women in Iraq since they were 'liberated' by the Bush administration.
www.gnn.tv...

I don't support the abuse of women anywhere, which is why I have an issue with pretty much all of the governments/societies in the ME. That's why the notion of a free society with a democratically elected government isn't a bad thing in my mind.

That's a horrible story Marg and i certainly won't suggest it can be defended for one second. The policemen involved should be tried and punished if guilty without question.

I see you didn't want to answer my other question though. What action should have been taken against women who murdered 6 men?

good!no more killing innocents for them,eh?too bad we dont practice beheadings like they do though...

Death penalty for killing a police officer is not uncommon.

So I don't see what the big debate is about. This type of action takes place in many different countries, countless times, and I don't see anyone up in arms about it elsewhere.

As far as the US government not stepping in, why would they. Should they overrule every other country in the world that hangs people ( man / woman / child ) for killing a police officer?

Why is it more of an issue if it happens in Iraq, rather than anywhere else in the world.

Let us analyze women in question that were targeted for acts of resistance . . .

First, the women were charged with killing five police officers . . .but it was not all of them that did it, the crimes are different per woman.

The women were denied legal counsel . Before and during trial . . .

One woman was accused of killing family members but is no proof of it . . . and she denied charges.

Another one of a attempt kidnapping, and other one of killing a Iraqi police . . . hard to tell if you ask me of the individual crimes.

Now, does anybody here have a link to the acts they committed because so far I cannot find anything but that, the poppet court is charging them and they got no legal representation and is not prove of what they did . . .

Why did they did it”

Let see, perhaps they got tired of the Rape and murder of their families . . .

Perhaps they got tired of the humiliation . . .

Perhaps their children have become targets of bombings and their babies have died from the violence . . .

Nowhere can I find anything that links these women to what the crime they have been accuse with.

Could they just been targeted because these three women are sentenced to execution by hanging for defending their country, their homes ... and their babies.

Al I see so far in the thread is how easily Syrian sister became the target and people has backed off what is going on with this women’s executions just because is ok to agree with whatever the democratically US backed up government is doing and as long it has support from our own government everything is ok and is right.

Interesting. . .

They were captured on the front lines of a resistance that do not favor our war geared government and the poppet government of Iraq.

As long as anybody is against that government they are all killers, insurgents and terrorist without even taking into consideration what may have geared this women to kill if indeed the are guilty.

However, we don’t know that, right?

So five men die . . . but where is the proof that they did it.

If the man were rapist and abuses, hell yes they deserve to die.

I researched Aljazera and Iraqi news but can not find any links to story.

Marg- you need to apply the same burden of proof in both circumstances.

I keep seeing the words "raping,murdering and kidnapping".

Can you all please provide evidence that this is STILL happening? Because as far as I know this happened very few times, and has been stopped and taken care of.

You must understand there are a few bad apples on every tree. Yet you have to remember you can't take a few incidents and pretend they happen 24/7.

These are Iraqi men raping now, Connected. Something about the ME culture is that those men don't know how to keep it in their pants. All women are for the taking seems to be the mentality.

I brought up my son differently--to look after women, not to let them get hurt or let anyone hurt them.


Marge,

You have voted marg6043 for the Way Above Top Secret award.

Way to go, girl.

Originally posted by Connected

Can you all please provide evidence that this is STILL happening? Because as far as I know this happened very few times, and has been stopped and taken care of.

Look at my links, the rapes and abuses are an everyday occurrence in Iraq the society is geared to keep this abuse quiet and women suffer the humiliation to themselves.

Because the type of Government that Iraq has now is not stable and do not protect all tribal groups as equal.

Rape accusation feeds into sectarian divisions in Iraq
By MARC SANTORA, New York Times
First published: Wednesday, February 21, 2007

BAGHDAD, Iraq -- The most wicked acts are spoken of openly and without reserve in Iraq. Torture, stabbings and bodies ripped to pieces in bombings are all part of the daily conversation. Rape is different. Rape is not mentioned by the victims, and rarely by the authorities. www.kidnapnews.com...

Only when is US soldiers involved they become news . . .

Was There Rape? Depends on Whether You're Shiite or Sunni

ABC News A woman claims she was raped. She takes the extraordinary step of going on television to tell her story. The prime minister said she's a liar. Her religious sect said she's a victim. A government official said it's a paid propaganda campaign. In Iraq today it's come to this: A woman's body is a sectarian battlefield. Her name is Sabreen al Janabi, and she's from a prominent Sunni tribe. She is now the focal point of religious tensions in Iraq ever since she appeared on television accusing Iraqi police of raping her. In interviews with the Arab television...
abcnews.go.com...

These news are happening now . . .

Because of the power struggle and sectarian violence it depends who you are a Sunni women or a Shiite women, as a Sunni women now in minority their claims of rape are not taken seriously by the Shiite control government because the ones doing the Rapes on Sunnis are mostly Shiite Iraqi polices using their power to humiliate the rival tribe.





[edit on 22-2-2007 by marg6043]

Blue and others, you seem to be applying a set of civilised moral values to a country at war. This cannot be done, one cannot expect normal peace time laws and civilities to exist in such a situation.

Saddam as a despot and mass murderer was guilty of many things but the system he employed disagreable or not worked. America's actions have destabalised the country and caused a power vaccum into which has been sucked all the waring parties.

The worst of all this is that America was told beforehand what the likely outcome of their actions would be, but they had set their course and that was the end of it.

America has installed a puppet regime and seeks the support of certain Iraqi groups, those who do not agree with this are fighting for their rights under this regime. So on one side you have an invading occupying force supported by collaborators and those who resist that occupation. There is no point trying to discuss legal nicities when people are in a life and death situation where rape, torture and murder are every minute occurances.

America has caused this mess and to be honest I dont think it really gives a dam for the Iraqi people, just like Vietnam you will leave this country in a mess with a blood bath to ensue, countless more innocents will die and for what.

And in the meantime, we keep losing more and more kids everyday to this evil. Troops being killed, kids joining the madness as they see vengence played out in front of them.

The US is in way over it's head with no sense of decency to admit it.

[edit on 22-2-2007 by psyopswatcher]