Not good news about Iran bomb explosions UPDATE

I don't know about you, but I don't plan on paying for a perpetual endless war. If this crap hits us Hard in the U.S. , we are going to have a uprising in this country,people. We need to arrest all these neo-kooks and keep them away from foreign policy regarding War.


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Not Good News by Sam Gardiner For those concerned about a possible war with Iran should turn up their worry-dials two notches. This morning’s news has a couple dark clouds. IED’s Inside Iran - If you have not been reading foreign press, you might have missed two explosions this past week in Iran. One of them killed 11 and injured 31 members of the Revolutionary Guard, and the other was near a school. Although the devices were not IED’s like those found in Iraq, the explosions were in the area a group sponsored by the United States may be operating. The area in Iran is Sistan-Baluchestan near the borders of Afghanistan and Pakistan. Sy Hersh and a number of other reporters have said this is the area in which the MEK (or the mouthful name Mujahedin-e Khalq) have been operating. This morning a Chinese newswire is reporting that the Iranians have evidence linking the attacks to the United States. According to the report, “Relevant documents, photographs and film footage, which show that the explosives and arsenals used in the attack were American, would soon be made public, an ‘informed source’ was quoted as saying.” The issue is not that “informed source” has switched sides, although I find quoting him to be interesting. This, however, ratchets up the tensions between Washington and Tehran. Even if the United States were behind the operation, it is unlikely the Iranians would find weapons and materials that would be identifiable as American. US organizations that are involved in covert operations are very good about not leaving signatures that can be traced. That is even more of a concern. The Iranians are choosing to make an issue. Surge within the Surge - We have known before that five brigades were being sent to Baghdad. On Friday, the Department of Defense announced that an additional 1,000 troops from the 3rd Infantry Division Headquarters were being sent 90 days early. According to the announcement, these additional troops and a two star general were needed to do command and control in Baghdad. This is a strange announcement because it was the same day that in a video press conference from Baghdad the commander of the division now operating there told reporters saw no command and control problems. The announcement is a concern because if some of the brigades that are supposedly part of the Iraq surge were to go to the Iranian border, an additional headquarters would be required. We may be seeing that unfold.

i don't know why people just do not accept that usa is going into iran. as soon as usa went into iraq, they had to get iran also.

people would call things a conspiracy, but conspiracies happen in the real world.

Was this the 'proof'?

the obviously faked photograph which is all over the Iranian press.

Originally posted by Peyres
Was this the 'proof'?

the obviously faked photograph which is all over the Iranian press.

look at the proof that america gave in trying to convince us about, iran in iraq. same thing here, whatever is going on don't you think usa serviceman will already be in iran.

Originally posted by andy1033

look at the proof that america gave in trying to convince us about, iran in iraq. same thing here, whatever is going on don't you think usa serviceman will already be in iran.

so you consider it an impossiblity that Iran is meddling in Iraq? Please, all intel services work the same, in the interests of their country. For Iran, they are arming the Shia's for after when the US leaves, they can take control of Iraq leaving the Sunnis out of the loop.

Originally posted by ludaChris

Originally posted by andy1033

look at the proof that america gave in trying to convince us about, iran in iraq. same thing here, whatever is going on don't you think usa serviceman will already be in iran.

so you consider it an impossiblity that Iran is meddling in Iraq? Please, all intel services work the same, in the interests of their country. For Iran, they are arming the Shia's for after when the US leaves, they can take control of Iraq leaving the Sunnis out of the loop.

No i dont, i would think any responsible leader of a country, would have people in iraq, if they were leading iran, that is a given. but how bush is going to give evidence to this, we will have to wait and see.

so yep, i do blieve that iran would be in iraq, like i do believe that usa will be in iran. wars a dirty business, and iran needs to keep america busy.

though i do think that usa will do everything they can to try and provoke a response from iran in public, like how they set up japan in ww2. they put japan in such a position they had to react.

Originally posted by andy1033
No i dont, i would think any responsible leader of a country, would have people in iraq, if they were leading iran, that is a given. but how bush is going to give evidence to this, we will have to wait and see.

so yep, i do blieve that iran would be in iraq, like i do believe that usa will be in iran. wars a dirty business, and iran needs to keep america busy.

though i do think that usa will do everything they can to try and provoke a response from iran in public, like how they set up japan in ww2. they put japan in such a position they had to react.

This is a much different situation than before WW2. Our oil embargo and other embargos against Japan were because of its war agianst China, before that point we were physical isolationists who still did business with the outside world. I know what Irans motives are, they are playing for future influence in Iraq, and the region as a whole. The US is moving to keep its influence, which in my opinion isnt really all that great as a hole. I mean, Saudi Arabia isnt an ally in my opionion and I wouldnt trust them with any secrets even if they were at the bottom of importance. I dont worry about Iran in the future as I do Saudi Arabia, seeing as they are a huge bulk, but not the largest of our oil imports. Thank god we get most of ours from Canada. Hopefully we can reduce this sector of dependence of oil from the ME with alternative fuels. I dont worry about supply from Canada, and we get none from Iran, but SA is the worry in my opinion.

Originally posted by Peyres
Was this the 'proof'?

the obviously faked photograph which is all over the Iranian press.

You are grasping for straws, Peyres.

Peyres, you need to wake up. Little Green Footballs doesn't understand the complexities of the Middle East. They have always been locksteppers and lackeys to parade with the bullhorn for the Right Wing Movement and their various coalitions. Trust me, none of us in America are ready for a World War. And I'm definitely not going if the war profiteers and the spineless neo conservative extremist cabal are staying bunkered in not on the battle lines for this vital necessary conflict waiting to see what happens.


The question is, what do you want to do?Our ground forces are diminished. And you can't just do airstrikes.....


It's three times the size of Iraq. I think you would pee your pants if you were in charge of this whole operation and how many lives rests on your head. This little game of Global Domination is high stakes and I'm not willing to risk my future on some delusional messanic conquest for American Nationalism.


Sorry, and I don't think neither is more than 90 percent of America.





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Originally posted by ludaChris

Originally posted by andy1033

look at the proof that america gave in trying to convince us about, iran in iraq. same thing here, whatever is going on don't you think usa serviceman will already be in iran.

so you consider it an impossiblity that Iran is meddling in Iraq? Please, all intel services work the same, in the interests of their country. For Iran, they are arming the Shia's for after when the US leaves, they can take control of Iraq leaving the Sunnis out of the loop.

THe Saudi's are arming the Sunni's and the "LIBERAL MEDIA" has nary a mention of this. (That's because it's corporate media that is in control and not Liberal Media. Someday the Right wing will understand) Let's be honest,Luda. America is terrified of Saudi arabia and the influence it has. This administration and it's locksteppers can hardly say anything about them out in a public forum except maybe a blog or a tail end comment on a conservative am talk radio show. All is fair in love and war.

We rolled the dice on this one,Luda. And you still are in denial of the ramp up to war with Iran. And this is the m.o. of the administration to pretend we won't engage in war with a country. All the fingerprints are there but yet you still scoff at notions. I believe Scott Ritter and Fukayama more than you. I'm sorry but they are more credible than you.

Look at Bush's Psych profile. Look at the comments he has made in the past. He thinks he literally can subdue Iran by firepower. In fact that's why he said Vietnam was a quagmire. In college he use to brag all Vietnam needed was more firepower to end the conflict. It's funny but now he gets to test his theory even though it's kind of obvious he is completely incompetent in conducting a war symphony. Hell, our Veteran health care isn't even prepared. But those tax breaks for the wealthy are. For shame who lied to all these soldiers that said we would support them. It's all political frame rhetoric with no backbone behind it. And you, and supporters like yourself are falling for every word and nuance of it.


That's what I hate about chickenhawks and draft dodgers on the right wing, they always are such obvious hypocrites to the core. But yet they still think they can dominate the world through paranoia and xenophobic fear. This country is losing it's democracy as we speak and more people are concerned about some mullahs wrapped in islamic robes holding a qu'ran saying "Death to America" A-mazing... we are throwing hundreds of billions and a hemoraging of the economy and the future of our country for Xenophobic paranoia and cultural ignorance.

People will laugh at us in history. No amount of revisionism will ever cover the facts of this time in American History. Iran is going to be more powerful after this is said and done. America will be more hated in the world. And Israel will be less safe than ever before and the obvious impending end of a nation that pushed too hard











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First the Bush administration is so sneaky and savvy as to blow up the WTC's right under everyone's noses without anyone really noticing and then supports a group doing bomings in Iran with "made in the USA" labels all over them.

While I am sure we are reconing and supplying elements inside of Iran with material, I am just as sure that we are using totally deniable ways of doing so. Why would a spook operation be so stupid as to use things that could be traced back to the U.S. Government? You would use materials and supplies that wouldn't raise warning signals should they be uncovered.

Originally posted by pavil
First the Bush administration is so sneaky and savvy as to blow up the WTC's right under everyone's noses without anyone really noticing and then supports a group doing bomings in Iran with "made in the USA" labels all over them.

While I am sure we are reconing and supplying elements inside of Iran with material, I am just as sure that we are using totally deniable ways of doing so. Why would a spook operation be so stupid as to use things that could be traced back to the U.S. Government? You would use materials and supplies that wouldn't raise warning signals should they be uncovered.

Stop the brakes on this one. We don't have incriminating evidence to put the administration on trial for the 9/11 attacks. And there's too much disinformation to even know where to begin. This will be a endless revolving door of discoveries and stonewalls. And you know this. We need to be prepared for the new false flags. The "Pearl Harbor" that is on the horizon. I'd love to have a open trial but our country and it's current state it's impossible to see this ever getting off the ground right now.


( I will go back to this simple question in a minute) This is the U.S. war and everyone is watching Most of america knows this administration is beyond corrupt. For godsakes they lost 10 billion in duffel bags of cash. Why the hell should we give them more money? No one really has a solid answer for that. The soldiers arent going to see 1/tenth of that money. It's ad nauseam hearsay at best what we have to present.


the other issue:


The Simple question is, What are we going to do?


There's 70,000 soldiers in Iraq that aren't U.S. military. It's Blackwatersecurity contractors. This gives you an idea of how many ground soldiers we REALLY have in Iraq. The padding that we have from privatizationis unprecendented. It's not really discussed in the MSM as well. It gives you an idea of how many are really "volunteering" for this.



Do you think (minus the blackwater security forces) we can take Iran in our fragile condition? Who really here is that delusional to gamble sons/daughters/husbands/wives/children for this?







Surely Americans get this by now. We are stretched so thin with our military forces. When will the kool aid drinkers just subside and crawl back, realize the damage they are doing.

We are over our head,people. We can't tread water for that much longer.









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Ha, he said paying. Like you doin't know what is going happen if the US gose to war with Iran

Originally posted by Styki
Ha, he said paying. Like you doin't know what is going happen if the US gose to war with Iran

I am curious about your sig. You pray for war? Does it concern you that most of the war cheerleaders will never even get one scrape from this War? Yet they are so quick to cheer conflicts they will never ever be involved directly in. I have to say it's kind of fraudlent and theatrical all at once.

It may be benficial to list some of the most dire consequences before embarking on another shock and awe that fizzles out........
There is one thing sure, and that is no matter what the consensus of nations and politicking is now,whether on balance pro or tacitly pro strike:
Every one with an anti US allies axe to grind, will start to sharpen it in public.And some how one of those groups or a combination thereof will really get their act together and we will deal with the false flag op overseas, and then a for real op shortly after.Perhaps a dirty weapon of fair proportions , or a bio threat as yet unexpected of some kind.
A mere couple of suicide vests ussed in some crowded every day mall or game....would be sufficient to get america rolling along the war track.....
maybe we should not discount a simulated event using some poor brainwashed shmucks....??
It does not seem possible to guarantee the smashing of the underground and preumably hardened nuke sites....
Without the use of tactical size nukes.....
Any try using conventional weapons may just be too costly in aircraft for the strikes to be effective....
Shock and awe turning into awe shucks
The russian Tor anti aircraft missles must be considered to be 80%efficient by the time a strike can be mounted...
Surely there will be emergency replacements available from an ever obliging russian salesman on site......
How efficient our cruise missles are st removing the anti aircraft potential and the wild weasels are at suppression may be the real story.
How stealthy is stealthy these days??
Now that the potential of stealth aircraft has been amply demoed, what kind of countermeasures are the iranis using?
Will Iran sit still and wait for the storm to pass and the jets go home for bombs and gas, before they intiate their own aggressive plans for oblique attacks against all sorts of varied US and allied interests world wide?
When you live in a glass house you shouldnt throw stones....
It apears to me that the rev guard have been working up to this moment, for a long time, and they like the VC, have an unltimate game plan within the unfolding events....
I think they are preparing a battlefield of a different nature than expected that may even bring this whole insane spiral one step closer to ......well
There are too many variables for anyone to model here ....War is the most risky strategy ,and this aint texas holdem.....

Originally posted by MRGERBIK

THe Saudi's are arming the Sunni's and the "LIBERAL MEDIA" has nary a mention of this. (That's because it's corporate media that is in control and not Liberal Media. Someday the Right wing will understand) Let's be honest,Luda. America is terrified of Saudi arabia and the influence it has.

I completely agree, I dont trust the Saudis in the least. Not with that wahabiism they export all over the world. They are not our friends by any means at all.

Originally posted by MRGERBIK

Originally posted by Peyres
Was this the 'proof'?

the obviously faked photograph which is all over the Iranian press.

You are grasping for straws, Peyres.

Peyres, you need to wake up. Little Green Footballs doesn't understand the complexities of the Middle East. They have always been locksteppers and lackeys to parade with the bullhorn for the Right Wing Movement and their various coalitions. Trust me, none of us in America are ready for a World War. And I'm definitely not going if the war profiteers and the spineless neo conservative extremist cabal are staying bunkered in not on the battle lines for this vital necessary conflict waiting to see what happens.


The question is, what do you want to do?Our ground forces are diminished. And you can't just do airstrikes.....


It's three times the size of Iraq. I think you would pee your pants if you were in charge of this whole operation and how many lives rests on your head. This little game of Global Domination is high stakes and I'm not willing to risk my future on some delusional messanic conquest for American Nationalism.


Sorry, and I don't think neither is more than 90 percent of America.





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eh?

Are you denying that that photo is an obvious fake. I don't care what the source of the image is. I linked the pic from LGF, because they have hosted it on their servers to stop a coverup, which has happened in the past. There has been countless occasions where LGF has hightlighted disgustingly biased news articles from Reuters and AFP for example, who have then proceeded to edit the articles and minimize damage.

That picture is a straight copy from the Fars News agency. It seems only the right wing blogs (LGF) are even going to bother to attempt to alert the world to this blatant propoganda effort.

You do not need to 'understand' the Middle-East (anyone who claims they do is an arrogant fool) to know that that picture is faked. It is an awful attempt at photoshopping. LGF and other blogs have already exposed hundreds of staged and faked photography coming from Islamic and Leftist sources, not to mention the liberal bias in the media.

They are part of the AXIS OF EVIL, we are already at War with Iran some kidding yourselves. This speculation of whether they will or would is just speculation of the sheeple. The master will do as he said and as he pleases.

Originally posted by Peyres
Was this the 'proof'?

the obviously faked photograph which is all over the Iranian press.

See what happens when you take it out of context. That is obviously shopped, but for a reason. The "fake" ammo box which dominates the lower part of the image is a zoom of the smaller boxes seen lying on the floor in the image proper. Obviously, there would be a caption with the original photgraph saying "insert is a zoom blah blah"..

I'm sorry, but if you actually think that it is a fake because it is blatantly shopped, why not examine the image closer and see why it was shopped.

The only way we will know what context this imgae was presented in is to see the original Iranian publication and what they say about the picture. Grabbing a random picture off a third party website and slamming it with no background info is a bit daft.

Let's see the original please.

Originally posted by MRGERBIK

Originally posted by Peyres
Was this the 'proof'?

the obviously faked photograph which is all over the Iranian press.

The question is, what do you want to do?Our ground forces are diminished. And you can't just do airstrikes.....

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Diminished are they?

We lost 3,000 some troops, and not all by enemy fire....

That makes this the least bloodiest war in our history. The least bloodiest occupation in history.. get off your high left leaning horse my friend, the world has never seen America at war since Vietnam. Do I want war with Iran .. no .. am I "ready" for it? .. Yeah, won't be as bad as you think.. unless you would like to continue thinking your more knowledgeable then the military analyst?

Originally posted by ludaChris

Originally posted by MRGERBIK

THe Saudi's are arming the Sunni's and the "LIBERAL MEDIA" has nary a mention of this. (That's because it's corporate media that is in control and not Liberal Media. Someday the Right wing will understand) Let's be honest,Luda. America is terrified of Saudi arabia and the influence it has.

I completely agree, I dont trust the Saudis in the least. Not with that wahabiism they export all over the world. They are not our friends by any means at all.

90 percent of the Sunni insurgency is funded by Saudi Arabia in Iraq. Explain this to me,why do none of the networks discuss this?
Why are we constantly on Iran? Why is it never about Saudi Arabia? 9/11 had most of the hi jackers from Saudi Arabia.

Iran is losing it's radical edge by the day and Saudi Arabia is constantly exercising force on us. Why is Iran even considered a bigger threat than Saudi Arabia? I think we have our priorities mangled.

Why the hell would we want this to spin out of control. As an american I feel like this is a captain obvious moment for our country.

We don't have the manpower to give this region stability.


And now we have shown our cards and our face to the entire world and everyone is watching.

If you ask me, we have crossed the point of no return. Iran is seen as a way to get out of the endless storm that is Iraq.