automatic writing?

hi everyone! I have a question about automatic writing or likes thereof. I am dealing with alot of mental and emotional issues right now and find it hard to find the answers that i feel are still inside my head. So far i've been cleaning up my mind pretty good lately though. And would like to know whether automatic writing could be used to get in touch with that deeper side of me were my intellect, understanding, and those answers lie whether in my concious or subconcious. Would anyone whether this would be possible relating to automatic writing, some other form of psy, or more natural ways like intuition? Well thanks for the help.

Automatic writing won't do a thing. I suggest getting a counselor to help you find those answers.

Originally posted by Paresthesia
Automatic writing won't do a thing. I suggest getting a counselor to help you find those answers.

In order for someone else to be successful in finding the answers that lie within my mind, wouldn't they have to be out of their minds?

I humbly dissagree with Parasthesia, but not entirely, just in part.

I think automatic writing is an effective means of resolving inter-self related issues.

Considering that all incoming information first gets delivered to the subconscious mind, and the subconscious mind consitutes the overwhelming majority of our mind, it stands to reason that logically most of our own truth (and experiences) lies within the subconscious mind, not the conscious.

So, i believe if we can think to ask the question, it is because the subconscious mind already has the most probable answers for us, stored within ourselves.

Automatic writing can take different forms.

I say keep a journal of your thoughts, and follow your own thought patterns to discern the source of your pre-conceptions and the variables that construct your opinion.

Speculation is a tool you can use, so long as you follow logically your own truths. When writing i suggest you try to do these things:
1) Know that no one else shall ever read it. This way there is no reason to lie to yourself, and the burden of impressing anyone, or living up to anyone elses expectations slowly fade away as you write...

2) Ask a question you want the answer to.

3) Come up with the most logical answers to your question (given all you know), and feel free to speculate.

Once you reach the most viable options as answers to your question, then ask the next logical question, and continue forward by logical speculation, questions and answers ....

remember to take into account cause and effect.

Sometimes we can see the effect, but we don't know what the cause is ... and visa versa.

It's hard to think of how we can move forward from the know to the unknown without asking questions that have not been asked before.

thanks,
john

Two things going on here...

You state you have emotional issues.
People want to act responsibly and not give out advice, as they do not know where you are at.

Typically the only thing that will be said is to seek the guidance of a professional.
Someone who can understand where you are at and guide you through your 'dark' time.

Second thing is that of Paranormal abilities.
On this, we can chat.

Automatic writing, etc. all seem to be ways of getting in-touch with your subconscious.
Some may warn though, from what you have stated, that you might be best advised to have a professional guide you, as you may be uncomfortable with whats in the unconscious...or what may surface.

Reminds me of the precautions for using ceremonial 'herbs' that alter consciousness...some have nightmares and others bliss...usually the rituals of old were done for a reason. To clean up and prepare one for such experience.

Now we all can speak from personal experience.
For me a good dose of Eckhart Tolle audio books helped get me grounded out of my O.C.D. brought on by strict religious adherence, etc.

But, as I said...each person has their path, I have no clue where you are at, so I will not give advice. And the other was the idea behind automatic writing, etc.

Peace

dAlen

As for automatic writing, it is very soothing and sometimes really suprising at what turns out from it. I would recommend doing it, it could be worth something to you if nothing more then a great story collection. Some of my best works are automatic writings. For the mental and emotional problems, just keep in mind the hard times do pass and take time. This life is a long journey and there are always going to be bumps in the road. Nothing lasts forever including heartache and bad times. Keep that in mind. Those thoughts alone have helped me theough the worst times. If you have people you can talk to then do that as well. Friends are always a great comfort. Just keep a positive attitude about it all, there really is a silver lining in every dark cloud.

Also, I tend to think back at all the bad things in my life that created something good. Sometimes bad times are really blessings in disguise. You just can't see the sun for all the dark clouds. Keep your head up and all will work out. Keep writing too, it can't hurt. Maybe you will discover an amazing talent in the process.

A mere thought i would like to share:

If Automatic Writing is real, then....

wouldn't the evolution and development of languages be nothing more than automatic writing in slow motion?

My advice is give it a try, if it seems to help then great. If not then you know it is not going to help you in that way right now in your life. What have you got to lose, except for a little bit of time if it does not work the way you wanted it to. I have never done this but my wife has and it is interesting to say the least.

I can think of some funny things to say but I better not cuz I might be the only one who thinks it's funny. Good Luck!

Originally posted by dAlen
Two things going on here...

You state you have emotional issues.
People want to act responsibly and not give out advice, as they do not know where you are at.

Typically the only thing that will be said is to seek the guidance of a professional.
Someone who can understand where you are at and guide you through your 'dark' time.

Second thing is that of Paranormal abilities.
On this, we can chat.

Automatic writing, etc. all seem to be ways of getting in-touch with your subconscious.
Some may warn though, from what you have stated, that you might be best advised to have a professional guide you, as you may be uncomfortable with whats in the unconscious...or what may surface.

Reminds me of the precautions for using ceremonial 'herbs' that alter consciousness...some have nightmares and others bliss...usually the rituals of old were done for a reason. To clean up and prepare one for such experience.

Now we all can speak from personal experience.
For me a good dose of Eckhart Tolle audio books helped get me grounded out of my O.C.D. brought on by strict religious adherence, etc.

But, as I said...each person has their path, I have no clue where you are at, so I will not give advice. And the other was the idea behind automatic writing, etc.

Peace

dAlen

I understand what you mean dalen, right now i have been seeking and going for professional help. But i only think of automatic writing when i've gotten rid of a little more emotional issues and demons that i might have inside. My sister gave me good advice, don't do therapy while your going through this because the mind is a powerfull thing and many bad possiblilites could come out of this. But i hope to try something maybe that's not in the norm when my character has come back. I haven't tried to astral project in a long time because of the things that were holding me down, but i would rather do that to explore then to explore myself. I know what esoteric teacher said i could try, that would be more fitting for now. Wow thanks for the input everyone.

Originally posted by malakiem

I understand what you mean dalen, right now i have been seeking and going for professional help.

It would be a smart move to consider dAlen advice. He obviously speaks truthfully from the heart, and obviously from experience. dAlen brings up some very good points. I suggested means which aided myself, but admittedly your path is your path. I think our beginnings and our ends may be the same, but everything inbetween is in conjunction with a shared reality, which you are an equal shareholder in. Your voice counts, but first your true voice must be found, or i believe at least acknowledged and recognized.

But i only think of automatic writing when i've gotten rid of a little more emotional issues and demons that i might have inside. My sister gave me good advice, don't do therapy while your going through this because the mind is a powerfull thing and many bad possiblilites could come out of this.

I will say what is true for me, and applicable from my perspective. I do not believe i am misleading you, or giving you bad advice about this:

As we utilize automatic writing (writing what comes to mind without hesitation) we are training our minds to not hesitate, and write based upon what our minds' truths are.

I believe if things surface which makes us feel uncomfortable or invoke feelings that are "bad", then what has been written is a reflection of how we think. If bad thoughts surface, it does not necessarily mean the bad thoughts are true, but rather that we have identified negative things that obstruct our true nature and result in hesitation, because doubt still exists within our neuro-net. So, even if the "demons" or negative thoughts surface on paper, this does not mean we need to act upon them, but rather that we need to acknowledge and recognize the root cause or seed for those thoughts produced by our mind's eye that we do not like, or reach truth compliance with them. The end result is intended to be balance, but balance can not be obtained by ignoring truth.

If we judge something as evil we invoke automatic defense mechanisms even at the subconscious or unconscious realms of reason within our minds. When we do this we tend to conform to the easiest recourse, by ignoring the problems that we percieve as or judge as negative our subconscious minds will not permit such information to surface to our conscious minds. When this happens we are no longer recieving first hand knowledge about our environment, our experiences, or our reality.

We essentially become "Hear No Evil, See No Evil, Speak No Evil", in which case we would have much in common with 3 monkeys i know.

But, if we are consciously or subconsciously rebuking what we hear and see because we think it is evil, then do we have all the peices to the puzzle to ensure we are not speaking no evil?

My sister gave me good advice, don't do therapy while your going through this because the mind is a powerfull thing and many bad possiblilites could come out of this.

I say it may be better to have the bad things come out on paper than unwillingly or unwittingly manifest them in our shared reality. Whether being expelled through means of therapy, or on paper, or a coupling of both methods, the bad thoughts are being "vented" or erradicated from you either way. But, by putting them on paper, seperate parts of the brain are acting in unison. Your eyes will see what is being transcribed from the recesses of the mind.

Might i suggest a movie/dvd? I think it may provide some answers. Many doctors from different disciplines offer insight into what is transpiring in our unconscious and subconscious minds, which do effect our conscious minds activities entirely. The name of the movie is The Secret, and it was made by many of the same people who worked on the movie "What the Bleep Do We Know".

Maybe it may offer insight into your path, maybe not. Google either and make your own decision.

Automatic writing is a tool, a means to understanding yourself and your own thought processes.

It is about conforming to your expectations and knowing your will.

"Know thyself" ... "What you are looking for is what is looking"
2 true quotes from Plato, and St. Francis of Assisi, respectively.

I know what esoteric teacher said i could try, that would be more fitting for now. Wow thanks for the input everyone.

Don't discount dAlen's advice outright. If you think it would be benificial for you to discuss how your mind works with someone who specilizes in that field, i say by all means do it. There is no shame in trying to find the truth, asking the questions you want answered, and posing those questions towards those who know many of the answers. It is a quest for your truth, your path, your ideals.

I merely suggest (and i believe most disciplines would agree) that if the mind can think to ask the question at the conscious level, then the subconscious level must have reached a decision that it is time for you to ask the question, the question that it has supplied you with.

What would a psychologist say alot of the time?

"And how does this make you feel?"
"And how do you feel about this?"
"Why do you think he or she reacted in this way?"


A lot of what proffesionals do is gently coax their clients into delving into their own mind for the answers in the first place, coupled with reinforment and knowing that you are not alone in your journey to understand yourself.

So, perhaps middle ground might be a safe place to start. Couple writing down your thoughts in a journal, and share your thoughts with a professional if you decide to seek such assistance.

If you find negative things, address them logically, but acknowledge and recognize how they make you feel, and why.

Don't sell yourself short, i believe you have what you need within you. But sometimes even the most experienced hiker and outdoorsman needs a guide.

Let me say that one more time, because i feel it is important:
Sometimes even the most experienced hiker and outdoorsman needs a guide.

Thanks,
john paul peter

EDIT TO ADD:
This is in part my utilization of "Automatic Writing", or possibly a stream of consciousness from within. It is a work in progress, but it is a reflection of my soul, i believe:
www.belowtopsecret.com...'

[edit on 18-2-2007 by Esoteric Teacher]

Sorry about that esoteric teacher, what i meant to say was i had the idea of hypnosis, or even plain pass life hypnosis. A possibility were maybe some of my emotional issues could also lie. And that's when she said that, kind of like food for thought. If i'm so clouded with emotional issues, disturbing thoughts and what not it might bring about something bad. Hope i didn't confuse you, just wanted to clear that up, i just noticed it. I know this might not be that best place for this, but i know one thing that is bothering me is hard to answer and therapy is becoming diffucult. Just the fact that it might be bothering me alot aswell. Seeing other people and feeling there beuty(sp) that lies within. And an apsiring want to be someone else or to have some of there beuty(sp) in me. But either way my intiution tells me it's possible, no matter what i look at it. And something in my minds says, when you've found your truth or the part of you that's been hidden or the tasks that i must do on my path have been fufilled. But sometimes i still don't know what's what. That nagging feeling that anything is possible, and when you look hard enough nothing is concrete. I think one of my biggest emotional issues which i can deal with now is failing to see the importance of common sense and how reality is at this present moment (rational thought) which i'm working on now. Well i hope this helps esoteric teacher, i understand your not a therapist and i'm not trying to put baggage onto the forums. Well i really appreciate the honest answers, thankyou.

It seems to me you have a rather realistic grasp on reality.

I do not consider you thoughts as "baggage", but rather a request for other people's perspectives on similiar issues.

I know what it is you speak of, and i too choose to make a journey towards the truth.

I have faith that your efforts will produce what it is you are seeking.

I read your thread and see opportunities, not hinderances or stumbling blocks.

For what it is worth, i like the way you think.

thanks,
john