William Cooper/JFK knew too much...

How many of you know about William Cooper. He is famous for his speech about the government cover ups and UFO/alien relations. If you have not check out his speech I would highly suggest viewing the ten episodes on you tube.

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Now when I finished watching all of his speeches I was curious to put some of his information to the test. For instance when he was talking about the JFK assassination
He claims the driver was the one that shot him. Now I haven’t really studies the JFK case very much but when I watched the video again not concentration on JFK but the driver I clearly saw the driver turn around with something in his hand then turn back and proceed to speed away in the car. Rumor has it that JFK was about to come clean on some alien topic that was recently question by the media and the government decided to take him out. There is another video that show how the body guards are asked to stop following the car for that one moment before he is shot. Take a look for yourself in the unedited version:

www.youtube.com... (Body guards being told to stay back from JFK)

www.youtube.com... (Pause this video at 16 seconds)

If you paused the movie at the right spot you can see the driver has a gun in his hand. Anyways in makes me question what else William Cooper is saying is true. Doesn’t it make you feel a bit uneasy knowing that the president himself can be taken out by this government? It almost as if the president if just a figure head. What is this true government hiding about UFO and aliens?

But the thing that gets me is why William tells everyone in the lecture that his goal is to spread awareness of what is going on and that he is willing to put his life on the line to get the truth out. He then tells the audience that his whole speech can be purchased after his lecture. If his only goal is to blow this government thing out of the water then why not just hand everyone a free copy, stand on the street and give people what you know? Buy charging like 50 bucks for a book then that makes people hesitate about your true intentions.

It seems like when I figure something important out I end up getting more confused about something else… any thoughts...?

Perhaps he wanted to cover the costs of disseminating what he knew. I don't consider this unreasonable. Books, videos, lectures, travel, housing . . . all this adds up. I don't blame him for trying to defray the costs of his endeavor.

He didn't live like a king, so I don't think his primary motive was making money.

Just told me that she was at school.. when it happened and that she wanted to go down there to see him, but was a freshman in Highschool and only seniors were allowed. She went to a catholic school, she said the nuns felt so bad that they canceled school for a week.

It gets me everytime when he's choking on the first shot that went through his neck, the second is almost a mercy shot.

Off subject by Cousin in named William Cooper.

[edit on 16-2-2007 by Royal76]

Milton W. Cooper was a shipmate with me on the USS Oriskany , he was a 2nd class petty officer (E-5) "deck ape" ( chip's paint etc...) for some reason he went over the edge! He found a nitch in weird stuff and flew with it. He probably should have sold cars after he got out of the Navy...and he should of went to AA IMO.

as an after thought.....

"Moreover, Cooper’s claims of connection to the US intelligence community are not contradicted by the known historic record. His photograph appears in the yearbook for the USS Oriskany – a ship that served as part of the Western Pacific fleet in Vietnam. A shipmate recalls that Cooper was assigned to the navigation division and thus had access to tactical and strategic intelligence. Cooper was a second-class petty officer, and according to the shipmate was quiet and withdrawn, "not the typical party-hungry sailor."

click here for more info

by the way I saw him in the "chip paint arena (supervisor) , more so than the intel stuff" , for your IFO.

ruff

[edit on 16-2-2007 by RUFFREADY]

[edit on 16-2-2007 by RUFFREADY]

im surprised this thread died in February. i have been researching this guy all day. quite an interesting guy. He started with telling the world we were under attack and control from aliens. then he felt he was being miss led by disinformation specialists. his new threat was it was all the actions of the secret societies using advanced technology and we are in trouble by these groups.

any how he was killed in 2001. compelling story and point of view. i watched all 9 of his movies about his final days titled William Cooper and his death.


but this thread is about JFK and a better movie for this is this link here.

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it's very interesting because i've never seen this before and told to look at the driver. the DRIVER turns and shoots him in the head! All i've ever seen is the close up of him being shot never the whole car as it happens. do i live in a bubble? do all of you know of this video? i must say i was and am quite shocked!

JFK was clearly shot from his right and front. The driver was to his left and front.

The evidence points to the grassy knoll as do the witnesses who saw smoke and heard shots from there.

The right side of JFK's head explodes from the bullet impact. His head jerks back and to the left further confirming the shot came from his right front (this also rules out Oswald as he was behind jfk).

The driver theory just sounds like more disinfo to throw people off the trail. I wouldnt be suprised though to learn the driver was in on the plot. He did slow down instead of speed up as is standard proceedure when under fire.

[edit on 21-8-2007 by admriker444]

Oswald had an interesting room mate
en.wikipedia.org...

Kerry Thornley also spook on record to the Warren Commission. If you read his text in the Warren Commission reports he seems highly intelligent. Oswald and Kerry both sought intelligence work. I feel one maybe was a little less value and a good prospect to be a patsy.

When I approach such subjects I like to take any type of media I can on the subjects and try to get a psychological read on them. How they act or acted, how they speak etc. I think it can speak volumes without having anything else to go on. However you can read into things easy and blow it out of proportion.

All theories however.

in high school we studied this and i always found the way Kennedy's head moved to be strange according to the one shooter theory. Now with the help of youtube and its members it is clear that Oswald may have had nothing to do with the shooting.

Kennedy's guards were called to abandon post on the car.

www.youtube.com...

when ever we watched the videos we were always shown the last shot in a close up zoom in position of jfk as his head blows open. now for possibly the first time i have seen it in full frame but most of all i didn't watch the murder victim i watched the killer. the president is holding his throat the other male passenger across from him is shot and slumps into his wifes lap. The passenger next to the driver turn around and then faces forward. at that time the driver turns around shoots the President " blowing off the side of his head" and then decides to speed off. When he gets shot Jackie knows who shot him and the reason she tries to climb out is to get away. "I've always wondered if outsiders are shotting at them why not just get down instead of becoming an easy target by getting out"
heres the video that is easy to find nowadays.

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and the b/w first and then the cleaned up color version by William Cooper

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I can see what looks like a gun in the drivers hand, but I don't see it recoil. Nor do I see smoke or fire from the muzzle. Perhaps he pulled a gun as a defesive measure?

[edit on 21-8-2007 by Prozacship]

I do believe JFK was murdered because he was going to expose the secret societies, builder bergers, jason society, aliens, how the rockefellors played signifant rolls in our gov't. I have done alot of researching on Bill Cooper and I feel he wanted to expose the truth to the american people so we would know how corrupt our gov't really is. Most of society walks around with blinders on. Its time to wake up people....There are major things in the works with our gov't. Sure some of it is theory, but if you do the research you can see what it correct and what is not. Its very scary once you realize what is really going on. All the clips in the above posts are excellent and should be viewed by everyone, there is so much truth in them. Also if you have not seen the movie on google Zeitegeist, please do so, its a very informative movie and also very scary!

Originally posted by Prozacship
I can see what looks like a gun in the drivers hand, but I don't see it recoil. Nor do I see smoke or fire from the muzzle. Perhaps he pulled a gun as a defesive measure?

[edit on 21-8-2007 by Prozacship]

there are slowed down versions but remember these guys are all trained to pull their weapons very quickly. not only that but the speed of film it self is much slower then todays camera. almost a quarter of a second or more goes unnoticed between frames. it in one motion as trained , he moves his head and hand together in a single motion pulls the gun up , fires and turns around. the two passengers across from Kennedy cover their heads and Jackie scrambles away from her Husbands Killer. notice between seconds 15 and 17 its that fast

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Originally posted by mrRviewer
in high school we studied this and i always found the way Kennedy's head moved to be strange according to the one shooter theory. Now with the help of youtube and its members it is clear that Oswald may have had nothing to do with the shooting.

Kennedy's guards were called to abandon post on the car.

www.youtube.com...

when ever we watched the videos we were always shown the last shot in a close up zoom in position of jfk as his head blows open. now for possibly the first time i have seen it in full frame but most of all i didn't watch the murder victim i watched the killer. the president is holding his throat the other male passenger across from him is shot and slumps into his wifes lap. The passenger next to the driver turn around and then faces forward. at that time the driver turns around shoots the President " blowing off the side of his head" and then decides to speed off. When he gets shot Jackie knows who shot him and the reason she tries to climb out is to get away. "I've always wondered if outsiders are shotting at them why not just get down instead of becoming an easy target by getting out"
heres the video that is easy to find nowadays.

www.youtube.com...

and the b/w first and then the cleaned up color version by William Cooper

www.youtube.com...

Several problems with your post...

1. the shot to his head was clearly to JFK's right and front. The driver is the left and front. If the driver had shot JFK, his head would have recoiled to his back right indicating a shot from his left shoulder side.

2. I dont see any handgun but even if its there it wasnt the weapon that killed JFK. Whatever hit JFK clearly was a high-powered rifle. No handgun shot to the head (with the exception of a 44) is going to cause such a violent wound and head reaction.

3. If the driver had fired the head shot, the govenor and the 1st lady would have been eyewitness to this. I find it hard to believe she'd keep quiet.

4. There was no smoke, recoil or any other indicator from the driver area to indicate a shot had been fired. In addition, no witness saw any such thing (as most stated grassy noll was where the shots came from).

5. You claim the 1st lady was trying to get away from the driver. Isnt it also possible she just wanted to get away from JFK as he was clearly getting hit ? Also, eyewitness testimony says she WASNT trying to escape but rather was scooping up JFK's brains. Take a closer look, she's reaching her hand out to the area of the car right in the trajectory where JFK's brain matter would have landed.

Finally, the person giving this info out has admitted to have been a victim of disinformation before. His source giving him info about alien hostility and intent was nothing more than disinfo and he later admitted it and changed his story.

The driver story doesnt add up at all.

Granted it is an old case and a hard thing to except.
i believe the bullet from the driver being shot so quickly nearly missed him by clipping the right side of his forehead. recoiling him back and slumped to the left. if i were her and my husband was shot by a rifle "s" i would get down. if i saw all that followed by the driver " a fed i believe" finishing him off i'd try to jump out too. i'd also keep quite considering they just killed someone much more powerful then i in front of the world. It didn't look like the Fellow passengers were loking at Kennedy when he was shot but instead looking up at the gun com over the seat. when he fires they panic into the fold of the seat.

scooping up brains on the left of the car? even you just commented he was shot on the right. if the bullet was from behind them then why are his brains on the trunk and not the front of the car?
I've shot lots of game and targets and i could never understand allot of what we were told before. i do believe a shooter was in the grassy knoll specially because after the shooting witnesses ran to were they heard the shots come from. and ran up the hill right were we suspect the real shots came from.

anyhow its sad to say but all this is far to late for justice. these videos were suppressed for years. I have faith that the true criminals will meet justice in the end.

Here is the "kill shot" photo that you all are talking about:



and another:



Myself, I don't believe the driver shot JFK. I do believe that the driver (William Greer) was totally involved though. He is definetly part of the conspiracy. As someone already previously mentioned here, SOP is to not slow down below 34 km/h I believe (it may be slower). He slowed down at this point to less than 8 km/h (sorry for metric numbers), until he visually . confirmed target down, then sped off... I don't think the "gun" shape is actually a gun. I think it looks like a reflection of the passenger agent's head.

Take a look at the second photograph, you can see that William Greer too has this reflection on his head as well.

Also, the police escorts (4 of them usually) are to ride right beside the car usually... This time they are told to hang back... I wonder if JFK was wondering why the changes in procedures? Or if he was oblivious to the changes in SOP?

Also, those hand hold rails mounted on the trunk are for agents to ride there. Another video showed the agents all pissed off that they were told to get off and walk behind... The agent in the video had his hands up in there like he was asking, "What the frickin heck?!?"...

Originally posted by mrRviewer
Granted it is an old case and a hard thing to except.
i believe the bullet from the driver being shot so quickly nearly missed him by clipping the right side of his forehead. recoiling him back and slumped to the left. if i were her and my husband was shot by a rifle "s" i would get down. if i saw all that followed by the driver " a fed i believe" finishing him off i'd try to jump out too. i'd also keep quite considering they just killed someone much more powerful then i in front of the world. It didn't look like the Fellow passengers were loking at Kennedy when he was shot but instead looking up at the gun com over the seat. when he fires they panic into the fold of the seat.

scooping up brains on the left of the car? even you just commented he was shot on the right. if the bullet was from behind them then why are his brains on the trunk and not the front of the car?
I've shot lots of game and targets and i could never understand allot of what we were told before. i do believe a shooter was in the grassy knoll specially because after the shooting witnesses ran to were they heard the shots come from. and ran up the hill right were we suspect the real shots came from.

anyhow its sad to say but all this is far to late for justice. these videos were suppressed for years. I have faith that the true criminals will meet justice in the end.

The shot hit JFK on the right / front side of his head. Id guess somewhere between his eye and ear just inside the hairline. The exit wound and brain matter would be found behind and to his left.

The trajectory of the bullet is clear. JFK lurches back and to the left. Therefore the shot was fired from the front and to the right...that location is the grassy knoll. Even if the driver fired a shot that somehow grazed JFK's right side, it wouldnt account for the size of the violent wound nor the direction in which his head went.

Lets not forget the witnesses from a rooftop, the road, and the grassy knoll area who all saw smoke and heard shots from there.

Originally posted by RUFFREADY

Milton W. Cooper was a shipmate with me on the USS Oriskany , he was a 2nd class petty officer (E-5) "deck ape" ( chip's paint etc...) for some reason he went over the edge! He found a nitch in weird stuff and flew with it. He probably should have sold cars after he got out of the Navy...and he should of went to AA IMO.

Thanks for the post RUFFREADY. That is basically what Bill told me when I first met him. He told me that at one point he was working in an office at Pearl Harbor where incoming officers were briefed. He told me it was his job to set up the projector and get out the film and files. He told me that he copied those files and took them with him when he got out of the service. Then he says his house was burned down with the files in it.

A few years later I was surprised that Bill was now saying he was an "Intelligence Officer". But thats not he told me.

I didn't believe the story about the files burning up in his house.

As far your thoughts on AA: Bill could polish off an entire bottle of Crown Royal in one afternoon. I could barely get through 3/4 of it. I don't think either one of us could have driven down to AA.

Hey John. I'm curious about what your theories are about JFK? I don't think i've seen you write about him before. And also your relationship with Bill, he mentions you in the video that was posted a couple posts up. What do you think about the circumstances of his death? Police stated they were trying to "peacefully" arrest him for suspicion of having weapons and explosives but I dont believe it. Especially since they brought a SWAT team and paramedics to his house (or so i've heard)

Originally posted by lizziex3
Hey John. I'm curious about what your theories are about JFK? I don't think i've seen you write about him before. And also your relationship with Bill, he mentions you in the video that was posted a couple posts up. What do you think about the circumstances of his death? Police stated they were trying to "peacefully" arrest him for suspicion of having weapons and explosives but I dont believe it. Especially since they brought a SWAT team and paramedics to his house (or so i've heard)

ive seen a video series on you tube about Bill cooper and his death. its a nine part series of ten minute films 90 minutes altogether. i found it interesting that the operation to serve him a warrant was done by officers in plain cloths a block away from his house to lure him out and what transpired led to himto being killed on his front yard. I've never heard of police doing this in this manner before. the story starts here.

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this one describes the start of his goal to inform the public and continues his battle against the secret groups and stuff. it gets into how he was killed somewhere into the 6th or 7th 10min. film. i'll admit his death sounds very suspicious.

William Cooper was the man and he is surely missed and I do believe that the DRIVER WILLIAM GREER had involvement in JFK's Death.