Barack Obama is he a member ?

Originally posted by THX-1138
If Obama were a Freemason the Media would have already talked about it.
In my mind, he is more of a Leftist Communist sort of guy getting his ego stroked by Zionists who aim to take down America.

This was a good answer.

If Obama was a Freemason he would advertise it. And everybody would love him. And the whole country could relax knowing that everything is going to work out just fine.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen

Originally posted by Secret Master
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that is the general concensus rune, though i for one still doubt that either were anti-masonic. And if i remember right, Lincoln had petitioned a lodge shortly before his election, but withdrew himself before he took office only to prevent any hysterical outcry from the anti masons... anyone know if the "Anti-mason" party was still around at that time??


Also.. lincoln himself pardoned A. Pike... Pike's 2nd presidential pardon by the way... one from Jeff Davis for desertion and one from lincoln essentially for not deserting sooner

It was also said that Pike and Lincoln spent alot of time working together when Pike moved to DC to practice law..

The original Anti-Masonic party lasted only during the terms of Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren. They then changed to the Whig party. After the Whig party was divided about the issue of slavery most joined the Republican party, including Abraham Lincoln.

What does this mean? In terms of today? Will you explain this, please.

Originally posted by THX-1138

Originally posted by THX-1138
If Obama were a Freemason the Media would have already talked about it.
In my mind, he is more of a Leftist Communist sort of guy getting his ego stroked by Zionists who aim to take down America.

This was a good answer.

If Obama was a Freemason he would advertise it. And everybody would love him. And the whole country could relax knowing that everything is going to work out just fine.

Just curious, why did you quote your own post then comment on how good it was? That just seems a bit odd.

taken from www.leozagami.com...

Written by Leo Zagami
Friday, 19 June 2009 13:13

We the Order of the Knights Templar's renounce Obama and oppose his presidency, this a just decision that has nothing to do with renouncing or opposing the Office of the President of the United States of America: it does however have everything to do with renouncing and opposing Obama personally. Know that it is the very Office of the President of the United States of America, and everything that this office represents, that the Knights Templar are trying to protect!

Knights Templar of the Apocalypse

The decision to renounce and oppose Obama was not made lightly, and know that much time and thought was put into our decision before it was made "public". Still, after careful and deliberate consideration, it was decided that something had to be said, and if something was in fact going to be said, then it had to be said loudly and strongly. The Knights Templar stands behind what we have decided to say concerning Obama.

and it goes on.

I'm confused cos I thought this guy was EX illuminati.

ALso, this video is interesting/creepy

www.youtube.com...

is it just me or is there sub-text?

and in this latest video he claims benjamin fulford IS illuminati:
www.youtube.com...

I am confused.

Oh no, now is he joking around?:www.youtube.com...

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reply to post by Anonymous ATS


Yeah, it's very possible that the Hiram Abiff symbolic story is older than the alleged birth of Jesus and not just something made up by British Freemasons hundreds of years later.

Of course, either way, the symbolic story of Ausar is much older than both.





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Originally posted by Level_Head
Why is it that as soon as a black man is elected President he is a member of something evil or the NWO?

Who, besides racists, Nazis, KKK members, rednecks, etc., is accusing Barack Obama of evil or NWO because he's black?

I myself would love to see a heavily melanated President of the U.S. succeed.

However, I don't trust Barack Obama. Not because his skin has more melanin than mine. I don't trust him because he's not much less of a puppet than G.W. Bush.

Let us see a black President who's mentality and policies are more similar to the best elements of the thinking of people like Malcolm X, Ralph Nader, Cynthia McKinney, and Ron Paul.


Like you, Level_Head, that news guy that interviewed Ralph Nader focused on irrelevant aspects of the race card instead of addressing the issues.

This world really would do much better without the political and religious influence of rednecks, Nazis, Uncle Toms, and Zionist Jews/Zionist Christians.

Not that I agree with everything that Malcolm X, Ralph Nader, Cynthia McKinney, and Ron Paul had to say. But their policies would be by far much more conducive to free-thinking than those of John McCain, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama.





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personally I think he is not a member of the illuminati and it's all just a ruse, by the illuminati of course. so it's still a conspiracy theory, just a different kind.

I do believe he is a member of a secret society. I believe that I heard most presidents were members of secret societies. The question is which secret society is he apart of. Is he a Prince Hall mason or a Scottish rite freemason or what? Is he 33rd degree? Does anybody here actually know? Please let me know...

reply to post by atrandom

It is for sure that he is not a Mason.

reply to post by KSigMason


Do you mind me askiing how you can say for sure if he is a not a Mason? From what I heard the Illuminist hand pick the president and they are aligned with some kind of secret society? Are you saying that he is clean (ie not in a secret society)? I hope you don't mind me saying but I find that kind of hard to believe and especially with all the messianic coverage he received during the election.. It seems to me that Obama was there golden boy and that it was just a matter of time before he stepped into a pre anointed role as America;s first black president.

Does anyone here think he's just a regular Illuminist? I know he's been seen doing the satanic hand signs. And his wife as well. There are pics of it online...

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reply to post by atrandom

Its not like we hide our membership. It would be known if he was in the Freemasons. We've only had 14 Presidents who were Masons, the last being Gerald Ford. And just because he is in the Freemasons, doesn't mean he is not "clean".

reply to post by KSigMason


Ok so to your knowledge he is not a mason. Thanks for letting us know but is he an Illuminatiaus? I mean I don;t think he was doing those hand signals for nothing...

reply to post by atrandom


you are absolutely correct. He did have a very distinct meaning when he flashes that sign.

it speaks to those who cannot hear.

reply to post by atrandom

Well, from my knowledge he never joined. The last recorded President that was a Mason was Gerald Ford. I also know many Brothers in the Prince Hall Lodges and I've never heard of him being a Mason.

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Thank you for that knowledge KSig. But is he in the illuminati or even the boule? And if not isn't he controlled by the Illuminati. The Obama Deception and Fall of the republic videos presented this as a fact....

reply to post by atrandom

And where did you read about his connection to the Illuminati?

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I am a little confused. The Illuminati was a group that formed in the late 1700s and was disbanded shortly thereafter. As far as any historian/investigator knows, there is not further evidence that they existed past that point. Do you have any new evidence?

I think that the people who despise the people in control like to use cool sounding labels on them like NWO, Illuminati, when in fact they are just people in power.

reply to post by KSigMason


Welll the Alex Jones videos and information made it seem like he was connected to high ranking people behind the scenes. I thought the trilats, cfr, cia etc were connected to those in Illuminism...

To network dude...

I am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination. All I can point to is the information on the internet that says secret socities do exist and that they do control this world. Huge companies use evil logos and people in power are meeting in secret for illegitimate purposes. I do believe there is something going on in this world and that things aren't so cut and dried. This is a conspiracy site is it not? That's what I came here for and that is what I;m trying to discuss.

Are you trying to say something against me by the last comment you made that certain paopole are appyling certain tags to people in power? Well all I can say is that to me there is more to people in power than meets the eye because it says in the Bible in Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. I do believe that there is spiritual wickedness in high places and I don't believe that people in power are just ending up there by happenstance. I guess we must just agree to disagree on that one.
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there is not doubt that evil exists. But it doesn't have an easy name and a box to be put in. Knowing what the Illuminati was and why it even existed in the first place makes me want to make sure that the ideals are not perverted into the garbage that people claim it to be today. It was a little anarchist, it was potentially violent, but it was derived from the same type of people who come here and speak out against oppression. It just seems ironic that some people of ATS would be so against something they really don't know anything about and how if they did study it, they might find they agree with it's principals.

I wasn't saying anything at all about you directly, just that people as a whole keep doing this. The CFR is a real group. We don't know what they do. Could be bad, could be good. The Trilateral commission is the same way. One thing is for sure, there is a group consumed with greed that drives world events. There may even be multiple groups that fight by proxy. But to disgrace the name of another group seems a bit disingenuous. At least in my eyes.

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Ok I understand what you are saying. I can see where you are coming from and thanks for clarifying.