Research reveals God may have spoken things into existence

Originally posted by closettrekkie
Just curious - what exactly is spirit made of then?

Well, according to Wikipedia, it's made of ethyl alcohol (ethanol) purified by distillation from a fermented substance such as fruit, vegetables, or grain.

Sorry. I couldn't resist. However, I'd say that referring to the almighty as a magnetic field is a simultaneous insult to the religious and the scientists alike. It'd be like calling God gravity. Or radiation.

The only way it even becomes remotely accurate is going from the whole "God is Everything" angle, in which case, you could also describe God as being a lump of Gouda cheese. God may indeed be in the cheese, but to state it like that suggests that God is defined only by the lump of cheese and nothing more.

Alternately, you could go the opposite direction and, rather than attribute God to something too small, you can attribute God to something too large, like saying "God is Energy". Well, fantastic. That's about as concise as saying "Stuff happens". Both are equally true and completely useless insofar as accurate data goes, because they're too broad in terms of their variables.

My persnickety comments aren't directed at you, btw, but rather the alleged "scientist" in the article.

Don't worry, I didn't take it personally. But my question was a good question. Not a single one of us can honestly say we know what God is made of. We will never know for sure and for some of these people to come off sounding as if they know what God is - they are just wrong.

So how can we say that this scientist is wrong? Do we honestly know without a doubt that he is? The person that claimed he couldn't speak because he doesn't have vocal cords. How do you know how God "speaks"? Just trying to deny ignorance, that's all.

Originally posted by closettrekkie
So how can we say that this scientist is wrong? Do we honestly know without a doubt that he is? The person that claimed he couldn't speak because he doesn't have vocal cords. How do you know how God "speaks"? Just trying to deny ignorance, that's all.

Well, we don't. That's part of faith.

I can say the scientist is wrong about how the Universe was created because he fails to even recognize what is already presently known about the beginning of the Universe, and a few fundamental laws of physics.

As for whether or not God is an EMF? Meh. That would mean that God is an unintelligent force, blind, dumb, and limited. I suppose that would certainly put him in line with the political parties that claim to represent him, but personally I have a more flattering view of the Almighty.

A similar statement would be like saying "you are a bubble".

Yeah, you can find a metaphorical philosophical basis to justify that statement, but in the end, it's really just a matter of conveniently stretching words to fit the neccessary context we need to get our point across, because you are not, in fact, an actual bubble.

Pretty sure the same goes for God. We can attribute any metaphor we want to God, but it doesn't mean it's correct.

As for how God speaks...hmmm...

According to the Catholics, he uses the Metatron, because his voice is too powerful for mortal ears. That doesn't mean they're right, it's just a religion. But it's as good a guess as any I suppose.

Originally posted by The Parallelogram
god hasn't got vocal chords.

i'm almost sure of it.

he was on American Idol last season and he stunk.

it's the world net daily so don't put much stock in the claims.

Originally posted by Crakeur

Originally posted by The Parallelogram
god hasn't got vocal chords.

i'm almost sure of it.

he was on American Idol last season and he stunk.

Oh come on Crakeur. He was probably just nervous... what song did He sing. More importantly, and on topic, was there light? Was it good?

it's the world net daily so don't put much stock in the claims.

Technically they're reporting another's claims... but yeah same diff I guess.

Nice posts thelibra

Originally posted by closettrekkie
How do you know how God "speaks"? Just trying to deny ignorance, that's all.

I don't see any evidence to even go as far as worrying about how such a thing would 'speak'...

The guy restricts this apparently omnipotent being to working by physical laws, specifically sonics/sound. He posits the existence of water, but he also requires 'bubbles', which I assume requires a gaseous material as well.

I guess you'll need to cross his palm with $9.95 to find out what the heck this guy is on about. S'pose he agrees that there's one born every minute.

OT : hey Rob

[edit on 13-2-2007 by melatonin]

Originally posted by Rren
Oh come on Crakeur. He was probably just nervous... what song did He sing. More importantly, and on topic, was there light? Was it good?

american pie by Don McLean and there was a little bit of light but not enough to make you say wow or anything and when the jester stole the thorny crown, nothing happened. no crown appeared. Simon was not impressed and told God so but Paula slurred something about how he'd be great in California and it kinda looked like she slipped him her digits when he was leaving.

Randy called him dog, God smote him for being dyslexic.

Okay, you asked for my opinion.

Well Im a Christian, but look where I am. Look at most of these boards on this forum. They have alot to do with Science. Im not questioning what I believe in, because I do believe in God, but its the things that dont make sense in the bible that stump me, make me search for answers. Im curious to say the least, and I dont think if God is real he should punish anyone for that.

As for this subject, all I can say is Cool but Im not so sure.
I dont know anything about the guy, or what hes done, but I stumbled upon the article and found it intresting. Personally, I dont know a whole lot about how something forms from something. I know the stuff, its common sense to understand it, but I dont fully get it. What Im trying to say is...If God exists, and this theory is correct, then how we came into existence of creation by a higher being, is true and plausable! I hate the Big Bang theory, I read some stuff on it and can't say I agree with much of it, but hey, lets not turn this into a whole different subject.

P.S - the reason I didnt post my opinion in the beginning is because I was tired and wanted to post this, seeing as it is intresting and a good conversation.

How does the Bible code fit into this whole scenario? If the code is real, then does that mean that God spoke all but had knowledge of all events in the future, and thus encoded everything as he spoke.

This sounds like a rather far fetched hypothesis, but I cant wait to see how this discussion progresses.

David Icke keeps going on about vibration energy and frequencies he showed examples of how sound creates structures via vibration and there are different frequencies we cannot see to explain the reptilian theory suppose.

But what frequencies range did the sound of the creation take place? I know numerically that in Genesis 7 in many instances can mathematically divide verses in Hebrew. So whatever the frequency number then have the creation sound it could be added also, but I guess that is a different out of this universe variable.

There are frequency orders like 7 basic colours 7 basic sounds in Notes 7s are common in the Bible.
www.wordworx.co.nz...
philologos.org...
asis.com...

So what ever the frequencies there must be an order.

Yeah, I thought it was funny that the holy spirit was a magnetic field.

Does that make God's Farts Tectonic Plate Movement?

Still, he didn't speak things into existence, he thought them, while he was eating his breakfast, Holy Flakes.

THERE'S REDEMPTION IN EVERY BOX!



.... .. . . .hail Satan

Well, if the white man's religion is the right one, then there is some small possibility for this to be true.

But why dissin' all the other races?

Originally posted by closettrekkie
Don't worry, I didn't take it personally. But my question was a good question. Not a single one of us can honestly say we know what God is made of. We will never know for sure and for some of these people to come off sounding as if they know what God is - they are just wrong.

That presupposes that there is a god and he is the god in the Bible and not, say, Odin or Buddha. And therein lies the first problem with the "scientific evidence" -- the basic concept can't be proven true.

I can use his evidence and prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster originated the universe. Or Coyote. Or Brahma. The "proof" lies in your accepting the Bible, and that's not science. Gravity does not depend on me accepting any religious books. Nor does electricity, optics, mathematics, biological sciences, anthropology, astronomy and so on and so forth.

This is not science you're being presented with, but religion.

So how can we say that this scientist is wrong?

a) he's a student, not a full scientist.
b) he's wrong, at least in the scientific sense. In the sense of a Specific Christian Religion, he's right... but he's also wrong according to non-Judaeo-Christian religious teachings.
c) he started from a conclusion and then picked evidence to support it. That's not the way science works. It is, however, the way religious philosophy works.

Speaking is just a way for entities to communicate ideas, perspectives and musings. "Speaking" does not have to mean "through the use of vocal cords and a mouth".

I am one of those people that believe the Universe, (even if there was a Big Bang), or alternate creation event, needed the instigation of an Intelligent Action to trigger such an event.

Whether you wish to view this as a Supernatural or Scientific matter, the event is the same.

And, my belief is that a being of such age and cosmic stature may actually cause the materialization through communication. This may be how a "Cosmic Level Being", of positive origin, expresses itself.

I'm including this anon post for two reasons;

1) It is very much on topic and should encourage debate
2) It is extremely well-written and contains source material

(I guess that makes 4 reasons )

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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WOW!!! Intelligent life here!! COOL!!

This anonymous post is in response to ATS thread: Research reveals God may have spoken things into existence

I have to say this is an amazingly enlightened part of the universe. Of all the forums I have been to about my work --this is the best one by far. I commend all of you on your ability to discuss this topic with an open mind. I give you a little taste of what this is all about. Really, there is no debate --the mathematics in the paper clearly shows how all things can be spoken into existence. The experiments simply show credibility, but it's the observable phenomenon that demonstrates the math and labs all around you that make it reality. There really is no way to debate what I have written. I mean, you could, but since every aspect of physics I include in my paper are Laws, and testable and provable. then having a dissenting opinion simply amounts to a "wah, wah, but I don't want to believe mommy!"

Although truly--none of you come across as being that childish (well, one comment was). Kudos to you. SO I will give you a teaser. I hope you do go ahead and get a copy --it will blow your mind --as many of the comments I have received from people of all walks of life and all parts of the globe have commented.

My name is Samuel J Hunt and here is what my paper shows:

1) There is a mathematical relationship between all matter and frequency, (this is just basic physics, but the conversions and equations --very simple--are in my proof --and taught in every classroom around the world, and confirmed by dozens and dozens of experiments)

2) There is a mathematical relationship between all frequency and sound (this is proven in acoustics and music theory --as well as in physics, and is proven by the experiment of sonoluminescence).

3) (A+B=C) Therefore there is a mathematical relationship between all matter and sound. This is elaborated in my paper. This proves that matter can not only be manipulated by sound --- melting ice, breaking glass, boiling water, manipulating DNA ---but that matter can be spoken into existence by going from sound to wave to matter.

A couple of clarifications: the substance that was "in the beginning" in verse 2, that God spoke to, was DESCRIBED to be water. But that does not mean it was H20. There are many water-like substances that are not H20. Take ZPE for instance:

"Sound can travel through space, because space is not the total vacuum it's often made out to be. Atoms of gas give the universe a ubiquitous (present everywhere at once--omniscient?) atmosphere of sorts, albeit a very thin one. Sound, unlike light, travels by compressing medium. Space, though not as efficient, can also serve as a medium."
---Sounds in Space: Silencing Misconceptions. Robert Roy Britt, 23 Sept., 2003.

"The mysterious nature of the vacuum [is] revealed by Quantum Electrodynamics. It is not an empty nothing, but contains randomly fluctuating magnetic fields...with an infinite zero-point energy."
--Stephen Barret, University of Oxford; Nature,March 22, 1990, p.280

"Zero-Point Energy, often referred to as 'aether' or 'the energy of space', is an energy field that spans the entire universe. Contrary to our current limitations in measurement, this universal field exists everywhere in the universe, radiates in every direction with equal pressure, and has no vibration. Radiation implies vibration, but this is not necessarily so. Like the depths of the ocean, and object at the bottom receives the pressure from all the water above it. This 'fluid pressure' is equal in all directions, and is why we haven't noticed its effects before the advent of Quantum Mechanics. The universal ZPE field is like the surface of an absolutely still pond. It has no movement. It is all one surface. However, when something moves through the surface of the water, it disrupts the surface creating waves."

Enter sonoluminescence and the Casimir Force. This solves the mystery behind why such a low-energy-density sound wave can cause a bubble to expel light and create a temperature of at least 10,000 degrees Celsius and possibly 1,000,000 degrees Celsius in its corona. Sounds like the corona of the sun doesn't it? SOUNDS like the sun was spoken into existence to --and there is a math to prove it and another experiment to prove it besides sonoluminescence which is also described in my paper.

So what was it that "moves through the surface of the water.."? Sound --God's voice command. What was the effect of this sound wave? "...It disrupts the surface, creating waves." What kind of waves? The only wave that exists --the EM wave from 0 Hz to infinity Hz. Everything else is just a segmentation of that wave like inches on a ruler. And since this happened everywhere all at once in the whole expanse of eternity, then you have one giant FIELD of indeterminate energy.

By the way, whoever said that photons were particles was not very well informed. Photons are pure energy --they have no mass --therefore cannot be a particle. Photons distribute the properties OF particles (at times) and OF waves (at times)--but they are not waves or particles. They are etheric just like ZPE. One is electric and one is magnetic --they are both fields and have characteristics just like any large wavy body of water (for visualization sake).

There are only 3 substance in the universe:

1) non-etheric, containing no mass and taking up no/all space. These are mind, will, soul, emotions, etc.
2) etheric, taking up space, but have no mass. These are spiritual substances, God, angels, ghosts, magnetic and electric energy, etc.
3) matter, takes up space and contains mass. These are anything that is a particle, and compounds of particles.

The rest of the paper just shows the whys and hows of every process taking place on each day, what the days REALLY are, the mathematics of each day and why everything had to happen exactly in the order Genesis says it did.

Neither side of the debate has been very close to the truth about Genesis. Both sides are distorted --yet both sides have some amount of truth to prove my theory true. Peer review? These principles have already been taught all over the world for more than 450 years. Anyone who tries to discredit this will be discrediting all of science and mathematics that have been taught since the days of Archimedes and Leucippus.

Hope you enjoy that.